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4134Re: [anthroposophy] Prokofieff - Gordienko

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  • Sieglunda
    Jul 16, 2002
      Dear Bruce <RingofFire12>,

      Something is wrong here with this individual and I don't know what else to
      do except either ignore this or bring it to your attention. Since he posted
      this in public to the list, I can't now ignore the insulting innuendos even
      though he has addressed it to someone else. I really would appreciate your
      help with whatever this is all about.

      Thanks,

      Sieglunda

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Joel Wendt" <hermit@...>
      To: <anthroposophy@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:44 AM
      Subject: Re: [anthroposophy] Prokofieff - Gordienko


      > Dear Shelia,
      >
      > I take it you haven't read the book and like other occasions (although
      > not always) don't know what you are talking about.
      >
      > You do have a nice political turn of phrase, when you want to avoid an
      > issue. Ever think about going into politics?
      >
      > warm regards,
      > joel
      >
      > On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 19:03, Sieglunda wrote:
      > > Dear Joel,
      > >
      > > I'm sorry to say I find your demands and interrogations unjustified and
      out
      > > of place on an Anthroposophical list or on any list, other than one
      devoted
      > > solely to exercises in jurisprudance as it has been passed down to our
      > > present time via ancient Rome. I fail to see why you demand a discussion
      of
      > > this book under the guise of proving anything. It seems you feel truth
      > > hinges upon what you consider as a criteria derived from another's
      written
      > > opinions and your own dissimulation(s) of those opinions. I'm sorry to
      say
      > > you seem to have your priorities wrong. I prefer to think for myself in
      > > freedom, but I have no right to demand you follow suit nor cater to my
      > > wishes. Perhaps someone else may want to "discuss" this book with you.
      > >
      > > Sieglunda
      > >
      > >
      > > > Dear Sieglunda,
      > > >
      > > > This is an anthroposophy list, which meant, the last time I understood
      > > > what anthroposophy was, that we practiced spiritual science.
      > > >
      > > > Science by its nature (and I am sure this is why Steiner made of his
      > > > teaching a science) involves an interest in the truth, and this in
      such
      > > > a fashion that how one arrives at that truth is an essential aspect of
      > > > study as well.
      > > >
      > > > Gordienko writes a book which draws certain conclusions about the
      > > > quality of Prokofieff's spiritual scientific work. This is as it
      should
      > > > be - we should be able to critically examine each others work, just as
      > > > in natural science.
      > > >
      > > > This means that in order to understand and discuss the issues involved
      > > > intelligently, one must have read Gordienko's book and be ready to
      > > > discuss it (debate is only one way of discussing something, not
      > > > necessarily the best), otherwise one is blowing so much hot air.
      > > >
      > > > Have you read this book?
      > > >
      > > > warm regards,
      > > > joel
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 10:45, Sieglunda wrote:
      > > > > Dear Joel,
      > > > >
      > > > > I don't understand your challenge here. Would you please explain? It
      > > seems
      > > > > to me your words imply an invitation to debate, or have I
      misunderstood?
      > > > >
      > > > > Sieglunda
      > > > >
      > > > > > Dear Dr. Starman and Siglunde,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The implication of these words " Upon independent
      > > > > > investigation " might or might not imply that one or both of you
      has
      > > > > > read Gordienko's book: "Sergei O. Prokofieff: Myth and Reality".
      Have
      > > > > > either of you read it, and are you prepared to make your case in
      > > support
      > > > > > of Prokofieff by finding errors in either logic or scholarship in
      this
      > > > > > book?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > warm regards,
      > > > > > joel
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
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