2026Re: [anthroposophy] Re: UFO/Astral Being Exchange
- Oct 4, 2001pacbay@... writes:
<< Read Lt.Col Corso book on Roswell. He headed the Eisenhower army
intelligence team to de-engineer the Roswell crash evidence and describes in
detail where the crash object and alien bodies were iced and examined;
collected, stored and what corporations used alien technology in the 50's to
develop some modern optics and computerization. Watch the tape interview of
Jesse Marcel's son (now a MD) who describes in detail his handling of alien
craft objects. >>
*******I mentioned these names (I note you still will not produce web sites
so we can verify your supposed 'evidence' for ourselves, like that fake 'ufo'
pic you posted here awhile ago). It's been pointed out to me that none of
these people came forward with their stories before the late 1970s. Why did
they have nothing to say for 30 years if it was so important? Scared of their
lives for revealing classified info? Why all of a sudden, after the latest
Roswell rumors started about 1978, are they so brave now?
>>> There are beings that are far craftier than humans that use ethericand
mental technologies to deceive researchers and conventional men or women
believing certain ufo experiences. These beings do not belong our solar
evolution and are not connected with Ahrimanic stream (though they may
interact or be using each other)
*******They're crafty deceivers but are not Ahrimanic beings? Then what are
they, and why are they deceptive?? And how are they related to your other 2
>>> Who know for sure what their agendas are but the definably use mindtechnology and hypnosis to control people for the reports. There has never
been any talk or discussion of Ahriman or any supra spiritual Beings ala
Steiner. It is possible and probable that they come with a different solar
agenda of their own and don't really care about Ahriman or others.<<<
*******I have no idea what the above is supposed to mean, especially 'there
has never been any talk or discussion of Ahriman'. By whom? Huh?
>>>I have yet to hear of any elemental that can leave magnetic traces orradiation effects affect they depart.
*******What ones do you know of and how do you know what they do and don't
do? Why do you think it's impossible for energy beings to emit energy? And
what about the 'fairy rings', for the observed effects of legend?
>> Steiner was not all knowing. He did not speak of computers, videophonesand rockets to the moon yet may have "seen" them coming.
*******You think his science did not provide for such things? Their
PRINCIPLES were all known in his time. Perhaps you don't study him at all,
with such a dismissive attitude--- but I do, and I see nothing in the last 75
years that says 'Oh we have to throw out the principles of spiritual science
as inadequate.' Quite the opposite, in fact: the so-called 'scientific' grasp
of things, the illusion he warned against, grows stronger daily with its
>>>I am not interested in promoting a "personal opinion" but only pointingout what the mass of written reports can only lead one to deduce.<<
*******I'm afraid it's what only YOU can be led to deduce, not "one". I've
read every UFO report I've seen for 30 years and I come to different
conclusions, and every person has a right to no matter what you try to impose
on the phenomena.
>>>One or two statements by two individuals - Steiner and Constable - do nothold enough weight to the over 10 thousand books (some serious, some not) and
the over 100,000 first hand reports of witnesses and contactees.
*******Now this is just complete dishonesty and you know it. You're making it
sound as if ALL reports are in contrast to Constable's work when absolutely
NONE are, there merely being different INTERPRETATIONS of what is seen--- and
Constable's infrared photos extending the field of vision to make visible
what the other authors you cite are ignorant of. Also, that Constable, who
PHOTOGRAPHED UFOs in the invisible state hundreds of times over 40 years and
whose work has been REPLICATED, merely made some "statements." And clearly
that's all Steiner's work is to you, is "statements" made in a book. Well,
that's too bad. For some of us, it's far more than that. A few of his
"statements" are worth volumes of work by uninspired materialist science, or
science fiction for that matter, made by people with a quite limited point of
view compared to a real clairvoyant's.
>>>Anthroposophy can be used for some paranormal interpretations but it isinadequate and antiquated in dealing with phenomena now happening since the
*******Oh, just like that, you dismiss it all? Why are you on an
anthroposophy list, then? As of 1950 it's out of date. Rubbish, I say.
>>>Etheric theory in AP is weak and undeveloped; astral phenomenadescriptions are vague and scattered; references to Ahriman and how this
influence works directly in the world (not just in man) is also circumspect
to say the least.
********I would say the last statements are pure unadulterated applesauce.
Try reading Wachsmuth's book, The Etheric Formative Forces in Cosmos, Earth
and Man, Ernst Lehrs' Man Or Matter, and Ernst Marti's The Four Ethers. Then
look at the work done making the ethers visible by electro-photography in The
Loom of Creation by Denis Milner and Edward Smart, Sensitive Crystallization
by Ehrenfried Pfeiffer and others, and the capillary dynomolysis work. Then
really READ the descriptions of the astral world in Steiner's Theosophy and
Occult Science so that you can see them yourself as anyone can. Read
Constable's work showing how Reich was working with the Chemical Ether and
how the elementals are exactly what etheric physics predicts would be found.
This is not a religion where things are taken on faith, but a science. I
think your dismissal of all the scientific work done into the ethers over the
past 80 years is an insult to Steiner and all those working out of his
indications. You're saying all this simply because you want to believe UFOs
are ships from other planets and etheric physics seems to show they are in
fact from right here. This is just more put-downs of anthroposophy by people
not involved in working with it.
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