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1889Re: UFO/Astral Being Exchange

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  • utopia_planetia@hotmail.com
    Sep 10, 2001
      Hi Kees! Kees has unfortunately been subjected for a second time with
      my UFO considerations, and, unfortunately, I want to continue here by
      adding more data, related to certain questions and disagreements I
      read in previous topics of this list (of which I was previously not
      part). At least, you cannot blame me for having started it. ;-)

      Crop circles, with the science behind it. Scientists have brought and
      used tools to measure any particularities of the crops flatenned and
      in close proximity in the crop circle. They are abnormally charged
      with residual micro-wave energy. Moreover, crops affected as so grow
      better, bear more fruits for many days following. Flatenned crops
      also, in certain reported cases, are intricatelly weaved in their
      crouched position. See:
      http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/belinda.htm (under Microwave
      Transient Heating research by Dr. William C. Levengood).

      The problem is that there are hoaxes out there and come in to
      polarize the people: those who beleive and those who do not, both
      having never seen and analyzed the crop circle in question.

      I will stop there the crop circle and continue in a next post later
      and link it to a "possible" eztra-terrestrial origin.

      --- In anthroposophy@y..., "Kees Kromme" <Kees.Kromme@1...> wrote:
      > Hi Marc, in this way!
      > I follow this discussion too, as you know(;-)
      > Perhaps someone on this list can give other viewpoints on your
      > greetings kees
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: utopia_planetia@h...
      > To: anthroposophy@y...
      > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 4:17 PM
      > Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: UFO/Astral Being Exchange
      > Something interesting to consider is that, as Steiner mentions in
      > Occult Science and Occult History is that Saturnians, Jupiterians
      > Marsians repopulated the Earth from the Lemurian to the Atlantean
      > epoch. These beings are human, from the same human life wave of
      > Earth period. Rudolf Steiner explains that they could not live on
      > planet Earth because of its hostile conditions at the time, and
      > other developmental reasons, specific to them (you can find all
      > info in the the aforementioned books).
      > Likewise, Steiner says that it is these beings that created the
      > different races of the Earth when they came back(therefore
      > a "physical" effect). Can reincarnation only account for such
      > diversity in appearence?
      > The question is, could have they come over with "spaceships"?
      > some human beings still remained on these planets of the solar
      > system? According to Steiner in "Occult Science", YES; some human
      > beings, clearly mentioned as "human" stayed over. Their
      appearence is
      > diffrent because of the different degrees of Ahrimaninc and
      > influence. Those On Saturn, Steiner mentions, have almost escaped
      > Luciferic influences.
      > Obviously, their physical bodies cannot be entirely dense -- more
      > etheric in nature.
      > --- In anthroposophy@y..., DRStarman2001@a... wrote:
      > >
      > > In a message dated 8/7/01 8:04:56 PM, JadMcCurdy@a... writes:
      > >
      > > << Hi Dr. Starman and Jeff,
      > >
      > > An interesting related exchange RE: the incarnation of
      > beings, both
      > > in terms of the possibility of actual physical UFOs and,
      > alternately, the
      > > likelihood that these manifestations are actually astral beings
      > using
      > > "elementals" to materialize their essence as an aspect of the
      > Ahrimanic
      > > deception. Overall, I would think it is not possible for either
      > view to
      > > dominate. Together they help us remain open to the possibility
      > other
      > > physically based life forms existing elsewhere in the universe,
      > while perhaps
      > > helping us to develop an overall vigilance and discernment as
      > their
      > > origins and spiritual significance. I have not read Steiner's
      > (or
      > > really any ideas for that matter) on the spiritual significance
      > UFOs
      > > though, so I can only speak for myself here: I can only at this
      > point in time
      > > maintain vigilant skepticism. >>
      > >
      > > Try reading Trevor James Constable's work, especially The
      > Pulse of
      > > Life.
      > >
      > > Once more, a photo of one of the elementals attached...
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