17612Re: [anthroposophy] Re: The Physical Christ
- Oct 1, 2008Dear Mikko,Am glad you wrote me. Thought of letting you know that on www.noblerealms.orgyou can search for info about the assemblage point,etcre- Casteneda. I've not looked at his wk in years. All you share is very interesting. Thanks for the link and the Quran quote "Christ will come when people lie on the ground like night butterflies." Your observations re- Steiner are duly noted - thanks.Yes, the Mexican Mysteries do alert us to more details.Biologist Louis Wilson's huge tome, "A Universal Pattern of Consciousness:A Study of Dimensionality comparing the Edgar Cayce psychic readings with various sources of the world's esoteric and mystical knowledge" shared some of the more favorable Mayan ideas fr The Book of the Jaguar Priests about the Bacabs.I mention Islam because am concerned about the militant nature of their belief system. Saw the movie "Rules of Engagement", based on a true story, where American military court goes after one of their sergents for firing on supposedly unarmed Muslim women and children in a courtyard.. Tommy Lee Jones is the lawyer who investigates to get at the truth and uncovers all this "anti-American" indoctrination,etc. .(video of the event "mysteriously disappears". It was an educational movie.)Two of my close friends - Muslim married to a Baptist...and find at a loss to converse with them both, however much Steiner may offer, they appear set in their systems...but am always hopeful one day!Have you seen any of Maurice Cotterell's wk? Think South American themes in one in particular. He did translation of one of Steiner's bks but not seen enough of his writing to offer an opinion.I'm in Florida, where are you? Take care - Nina----- Original Message -----From: Mikko NuuttilaSent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:47 AMSubject: RE: [anthroposophy] Re: The Physical Christ
The link to the description of the night butterfly moves:
http://home. scarlet.be/ wim.degent/ Notes/notes. html
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From: bellmeine@hotmail. com
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:41:24 +0300
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy] Re: The Physical ChristHi,
this has no bearing on the otherwise interesting discussion, but I perceive you sometimes mention Islam in this group, and the following point has to be made: The Quran says that Christ will come when people lie on the ground like night butterflies. Indeed, people lie on the ground in Carlos Castaneda's Tensegrity (Magical Passes) seminars practicing night butterfly movements. The night butterfly or moth is traditionally the image of the night side of psyche, and in Tensegrity it is the guardian of the second attention or the otherworld. Since people are taught in Tensegrity they can achieve a state which happens to resemble Christ's departure to heaven (the original text says to the Sky), the point becomes relevant.
Steiner was opposed to the crystallizing influence of Ahriman in dreams, but I think this is exactly what they try to achieve in Tensegrity. According to Steiner, we ought to be able to experience etheric flowing forms in dreams instead.
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:10:24 +0000
Subject: [anthroposophy] Re: The Physical Christ--- In anthroposophy@ yahoogroups. com, "carol" <organicethics@ ...>
> Steve, your fixation on this 'problématique' appears to me to be,
> alas, another one of your famous <make the pieces fit the puzzle>,
> whatever cost it involves.
> First of all, Gurdjeiff wasn't Russian, but lived there only a few
> years. Ouspenski was Russian- but that doesn't certify the
> his world view. You don't know what were the conditions of his
> childhood, aside that he was gifted. You don't know what multiple
> influences may have played into his adult choice to follow
> path as opposed to 'happening' upon Anthropsophy, for example.
> have had something to do with the physical, social, religious,
> environment/ influences of his formative years, as well, they may
> had something to do with the 7 generation family group
> and/or personal biographic issues.
> As for the two major moving blocks- east and west etheric
> this is a situation to view 'from a bird's eye view'. Please, don't
> think you've 'struck gold' on this issue with Gurdjeiff and
> You couldn't have found more 'suitable' canditates to study this
> 'etheric body' scenario?
> How about Tomberg, or Bailey? Marie Steiner? (a joke)
> Just thought I'd let you know that this list's contributer- Jean-
> is both Asian and French. He most definitely has at least a bit of
> 'lightened' etheric body in spite of the fact that he lives in an
> where the ' generalized' body types reflect, to a good extent, the
> formative forces inherent in the French language.
> How's your etheric body type, Steve? From what 'ethnic' stock does
> derive it's caracteristics- outside of the ongoing 'formative
> it receives from the forceful Ahrimanic Anglo social environment in
> which you live?
> I imagine that you know that MINE is predominantly Slavic of
> Poland with an Italien 'accent'. Oh, there's another meeting
> east and west.
> Gee, both Jean-Marc and I MUST be playing to some measure, in
> court, no ?
Well, let us try another example. The intellectual soul is a very
poor comprehender of deeper concepts, but the analogy of the clock
might help in understanding what is easy, in terms of learning, and
what is difficult in the unlearning of bad habits and rigid
characteristics. This undoing is also very important. The Fourth
Way is all about this latter work because it constitutes ahriman's
presence in the etheric body. That is where the battle with the
dragon is waged in conscience with Michael.
"What we call `conscience' is nothing else than the outcome of the
work of the Ego on the life-body through incarnation after
incarnation. When man begins to perceive that he ought not to do
this or that, and when this perception makes so strong an impression
on him that the impression passes on into his etheric
body, `conscience' arises.
Now this work of the Ego upon the lower members may either be
something that is proper to a whole race of men; or else it may be
entirely individual, an achievement of the individual Ego working on
itself alone. In the former case, the whole human race collaborates,
as it were, in the transformation of the human being. The latter
kind of transformation depends on the activity of the individual Ego
alone and of itself. The Ego may become so strong as to transform,
by its very own power and strength, the sentient body. What the Ego
then makes of the Sentient or Astral Body is called `Spirit-Self'
(or by an Eastern expression, `Manas'). This transformation is
wrought mainly through a process of learning, through an enriching
of one's inner life with higher ideas and perceptions.
Now the Ego can rise to a still higher task, and it is one that
belongs quite essentially to its nature. This happens when not only
is the astral body enriched, but the etheric or life-body
transformed. A man learns many things in the course of his life; and
if from some point he looks back on his past life, he may say to
himself: `I have learned much.' But in a far less degree will he be
able to speak of a transformation in his temperament or character
during life, or of an improvement or deterioration in his memory.
Learning concerns the astral body, whereas the latter kinds of
transformation concern the etheric or life-body. Hence it is by no
means an unhappy image if we compare the change in the astral body
during life with the course of the minute hand of a clock, and the
transformation of the life-body with the course of the hour hand.
When man enters on a higher training — or, as it is called, occult
training — it is above all important for him to undertake, out of
the very own power of his Ego, this latter transformation.
Individually and with full consciousness, he has to work out the
transformation of his habits and his temperament, his character, his
memory ... In so far as he thus works into his life-body, he
transforms it into what is called in anthroposophical
terminology, `Life-Spirit' (or, as the Eastern expression has
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