14986Fwd: Re: German anthropop youth movement
- Nov 30, 2007--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tmasthenes13"
--- In email@example.com, dottie zold
> > Might you learn a little tolerance for the other
> > main stream in anthroposophy?
> Dottie:It's not about making room for the one stream over
> another stream when such ignorant divisive people like==================================
> you inhabit them.
I must say, Dottie, that you have revealed some of your own deep
You see, when I brought up the two streams in anthroposophy, one
called the Platonic and the other called the Aristotelian, never did I
say or imply that one stream was superior to the other. As distinct
streams within anthroposophy, they properly flow side by side.
Yet you immediately make the judgment that I am putting one stream
"over" the other.
Why would you do that? Why would you be so animated by the intense
psychic energy of "protesting too much" against my calling attention
to the two main streams in anthroposophy and holding that your
particular stream, the Platonic one, as represented by Sergei
Prokofieff, is superior to the other stream, the Aristotelian stream,
as represented by Bodo von Plato?
I think the answer may lie in the origin and further development of
the two streams. As you know from the 8 volumes of the Karmic
Relationships cycles, the Platonic stream in anthroposophy is peopled
by those souls who were "between lives," or in the spiritual world,
when the Mystery of Golgotha took place. On the other hand, those who
were embodied on earth during that event, reincarnated as
representatives of the Aristotelian stream.
Now Rudolf Steiner is clear that the most important incarnation for
anyone of either stream, was the very first post-Christian
incarnation. Most of us here reading this message, I believe, have
had at least that one incarnation before this present one. Some had
If we look historically over the last 2,000 years, it appears that the
two streams are always "leap-frogging" over each other. [Why else
would I call Jean-Marc "Frogman Jerry?"] When one stream predominated
in earthly affairs, during a certain age, the other was not much in
evidence, mainly because they were dead! And vice versa. As an
example, look at the proliferation of Platonists as represented by
Bernardus Sylvestris, Alanus ab Insulis and the whole Cistertian gang
that put the Cathedral of Chartres together along with the School of
They predominated during the years 1000-1200 AD.
But then as they died out, they were replaced by the stream of
Aristotelians, whose mission was to develop the intellect, and of
course the greatest figure of all in this development was Saint Thomas
Aquinas (1224-1274), as a member of the order of Dominican monks.
Bobby Matherne has a nice review of Volume 6 of KR, where RS speaks of
[page 130] RUDOLF STEINER: "We must come to an understanding with the
Aristotelians who bring to humanity the intellect which must then be
spiritualized so that in the twentieth century it may shine forth in a
new and spiritual form among men. "
BOBBY: Alanus ab Insulis brought his deep Platonic insights to the
Cistercian order when, late in life, he put on their robes. The
Dominicans followed with their Aristotelian stream and from the 13th
Century onward they took over the spiritual leadership in Europe. With
this prologue we can now follow what Steiner tells us of the destiny
of the Anthroposophical Movement:
[page 136] RUDOLF STEINER: "For over the Anthroposophical Movement a
destiny hovers: many of those in the Anthroposophical Society to-day
will have to come down again to the Earth before, and at the end of
the twentieth century, but united then, with those who were either the
actual leaders in the School of Chartres or were pupils at Chartres.
And so, if civilization is not to fall into utter decadence, before
the end of the 20th century, the Platonists of Chartres and the
Aristotelians who came later will have to be working together on the
One observation I'd like to leave with you, Dottie, in the hopes that
you might begin to know yourself by knowing your stream and tolerating
the other one.
All those Platonists of the School of Chartres and all those early
Aristotelians like Thomas Aquinas were all, by religion, Roman
Catholic men. Just about all of them were deeply devoted to and
thoroughly obedient to the Holy Father in Rome. They willingly
submitted themselves to the authority of the Pope, even St. Thomas
So Dottie, there are 4 speculative karmic suppositions I'd like to
leave you with:
(1) Perhaps you feel that, as a Platonist, you were treated badly by
the Aristos in the past, and are here now to "settle the score."
(2) Perhaps you had more than one post Christ incarnation before now,
and may possibly have switched streams.
(3) Your deep resentment of Catholicism may derive from that time
(1000-1400 AD) when both Aristotelians and Platonists were devout
(4) Your deep resentment has to do with you being a female in this
incarnation, whereas back then, you were "one of the guys."
Your discriminating and distinguishing
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