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  • holderlin66
    Feb 7, 2007
      "Marie-Louise von Franz (January 4, 1915 - February 17, 1998), the
      daughter of an Austrian baron and born in Munich, Germany."

      Bradford brings this Earth Shattering and stunningly buried and
      dismissed in depth insight.

      " Jung and Pauli arrived at a set of propositions about the nature
      of reality that mark a fundamental departure from the tenets of the
      worldview of modern science that has prevailed since Descartes. Jung
      and Pauli came to hold that the realm of mind, psyche, and the realm
      of matter, physis, are complementary aspects of the same
      transcendental reality, the unus mundus."

      Marie-Louise von Franz, Munich Germany, she worked with Carl Jung
      whom she met in 1933...what are the chances that Anthros can see
      these intimate connections and see anything with clarity?

      Nothing comes of nothing. Failure to link our advanced understanding
      on this list to quantum mechanics, Physics and Heisenberg's
      Uncertainty, where by shere thought, particles pop up where they
      weren't and shouldn't be stuck between the action of waves and
      particles in primitve PERCEPT ADDICTED ANAL SCIENCE STUDIES...leaves
      us with a thought sensitive and soul sensitive universe that we
      refuse to see and build upon. Why are Anthros and Scientists and all
      of Education horrified that all this that we have presented dealing
      with time déjà vu, pre-vision, leaping ahead on times stream, and
      exercises that promote this, as well as grasping Star and Angelic
      pre-preparations for the two Jesus and Zarathustra incarnations,
      with all the astral potential of real star wisdom, nightly, when we
      go to sleep and when we wake up, is utterly TRUE, Souls refuse to
      touch it. Won't lift a finger to search out any details, avoids
      thinking it through and stands before us with the School of
      Spiritual Science and insights from all points, and still walk away
      from such shattering research? Are we such utter dunces that we
      prefer that things AREN'T REAL!

      Failure over and over, and over again to bring the soul of
      understanding Angelic Syncrhonicity from our own ADB, Angelic Daily
      Briefing, including waking dreams and time scans, with utter exact
      clarity, called déjà vu (which is also dismissed as some cliche that
      I had been here before reveals the entire lazy utter uncognitive
      nonsense) When in actual essence the astral zoomed ahead,
      zooooommmm! zooooommm! It did a triangulation from astral leaving
      the anchored body to a survey of time ahead, via the higher being
      and Angel, when are we gonna stop avoiding reality? But not in the
      intellectual moronic cess pool of happy faces can anyone get postive
      cognitive traction unless they GET IT!

      And Anthros don't even make the effort to get it. Nothing comes of



      "...About two years before his death, Jung handed to von Franz a
      small slip of paper upon which he had begun to gather notes about
      the mathematical properties of the first four integers, saying, "I
      am too old to be able to write this now, so I hand it over to you."
      At the time she did not know whether he intended for her to pursue
      his study of number archetypes, or if he simply wanted her to hand
      it over to someone whom she might meet that would be suitable for
      such a project. After Jung's death she preferred to assume the
      latter because she felt incapable of doing it herself. However, as a
      long interval passed without the appearance of anyone to take up the
      task, she was `bitten' by her conscience and subsequently entered
      into a long and intensive period of research and writing that
      culminated in the publication in 1970 of her treatise on number
      archetypes, Zahl und Zeit (Number and Time, 1974).

      As indicated by the subtitle of this work —"Reflections
      Leading toward a Unification of Depth Psychology and Physics"—von
      Franz's intention with Number and Time was to continue to explore
      the ideas that had grown out of the collaboration of Jung with the
      Nobel laureate quantum physicist, Wolfgang Pauli. von Franz was,
      despite her reticence, well positioned to take on this work, for she
      had worked closely with both men during the decade of their
      collaboration—helping each by translating passages from alchemical
      texts and working with Pauli to explore the symbolism of his dreams
      and visions that were related to his intellectual quest. In the
      course of this collaboration, which in its most active phase spanned
      the years from 1946-54, Jung and Pauli arrived at a set of
      propositions about the nature of reality that mark a fundamental
      departure from the tenets of the worldview of modern science that
      has prevailed since Descartes. Jung and Pauli came to hold that the
      realm of mind, psyche, and the realm of matter, physis, are
      complementary aspects of the same transcendental reality, the unus
      mundus. They asserted that archetypes act as the fundamental
      dynamical patterns whose various representations characterize all
      processes, whether mental or physical. In the realm of psyche,
      archetypes organize images and ideas; in the realm of physis, they
      organize the structure and transformations of matter and energy and
      account for acausal orderedness, as well. Furthermore, archetypes
      acting simultaneously in both the realms of psyche and physis were
      held to account for instances of synchronistic phenomena.

      Jung and Pauli's collaboration came to an end in what were to
      be the later years of their lives, and neither man was able to
      pursue these propositions further. Pauli, however, expressed an
      interest in exploring the archetypal ideas that form the basis of
      mathematics, particularly the idea in arithmetic of an infinite
      series of integers and the idea in geometry of the continuum (
      Pauli, 1994), and Jung was drawn to the archetypal nature of natural

      Starting from Jung's initial hints, von Franz investigated
      number archetypes as dynamical ordering factors active both in
      psyche and in matter. In Number and Time, she examined aspects of
      number and numeration drawn from a wide variety of cultures both
      ancient and modern, primitive and technologically advanced. She
      discussed in particular detail the qualitative aspects of the
      structure of the number archetypes that give rise to the first four
      integers. As well, she investigated the dynamical aspects of the
      number archetypes and their relationship to physical and psychic
      energy, and she discussed historical and mathematical models of the
      unus mundus and the role of number archetypes in synchronistic

      From her investigation of number archetypes, von Franz
      concluded that the primarily collective, quantitative aspects of
      number that preoccupy Western number theory are complemented by
      individual, qualitative aspects. To illustrate these aspects of
      number, she cited examples of the treatment of numbers in ancient
      Chinese number systems, and concluded that the Chinese did not use
      numbers as quantitative sets but as emblems or symbols: "Numbers
      thus serve chiefly to make visible the circumstantial individual
      aspects of the cosmic unity or whole."(p. 41) Chinese numbers also
      contained an essential relation with time: "In China, numbers
      signify organizations which vary in time, or transient `ensembles'
      of inner and outer factors within the world-totality."(p. 41-2)

      Common to both Western and ancient Chinese approaches to
      number, however, is the use of number in establishing regularity and
      order. Jung had stated that `[number] may well be the most primitive
      element of order in the human mind...thus we define number
      psychologically as an archetype of order which has become
      conscious." (p. 45) As with all archetypes, the number archetypes
      have an inherent dynamical quality--that is, they represent abstract
      patterns of rhythmical behavior. von Franz held that:
      The archetypes primarily represent dynamical units of psychic
      energy. In preconscious processes they assimilate representational
      material originating in the phenomenal world to specific images and
      models, so that they become introspectively perceptible as `psychic'
      happenings.(p. 155)

      In Number and Time, the quaternio of archetypes that underlie
      the first four integers are discussed in particular detail.
      Summarizing their archetypal behavior, von Franz explained that,
      Numbers then become typical psychological patterns of motion about
      which we can make the following statements: One comprises wholeness,
      two divides, repeats and engenders symmetries, three centers the
      symmetries and initiates linear succession, four acts as a
      stabilizer by turning back to the one as well as bringing forth
      observables by creating boundaries, and so on.(p. 74) von Franz
      postulated that representations of this quaternio provide the
      dynamical patterns which underlie all processes of perception and
      symbol formation in the psyche and account for the structure and
      transformation of matter and energy in the physical world.

      Natural numbers appear to represent the typical universally
      recurring, common motion patterns of both psychic and physical
      energy. Because these motion patterns (numbers) are identical for
      both forms of energy, the human mind can, on the whole, grasp the
      phenomena of the outer world. This means that the motion patterns
      engender "thought and structure models" in man's psyche, which can
      be applied to physical phenomena and achieve relative congruence.
      The existence of such numerical nature constants in the outer world,
      on the one hand, and in the preconscious psyche, on the other (e.g.,
      in the quaternary structures of the "psychic center", the triadic
      structure of dynamic processes, the dualistic structure of threshold
      phenomena, and so forth) is probably what finally makes all
      conscious knowledge of nature possible.(p. 166-7)

      The dynamical behavior of the number archetypes, in particular
      the quaternio, is thus held to characterize all physical processes
      and all mental acts of perception and symbolic representation. Thus,
      the number archetypes are thought to be universal aspects of symbol
      formation. Consequently, as von Franz has pointed out, the number
      archetypes should provide the means to construct what Pauli had
      called a language which is `neutral' with respect to psycho-physical
      distinction. Such a language, as yet undeveloped, would offer an
      archetypally-invariant basis upon which representations of all
      physical and mental processes could be established.

      The cluster of propositions that grew out of the collaboration
      of Jung and Pauli constituted a hypothesis about the role of
      archetypes in the structuring of reality. Through her research into
      number archetypes, von Franz has significantly clarified and
      extended their archetypal hypothesis such that it may be restated as

      All mental and physical phenomena are complementary aspects of the
      same unitary, transcendental reality.

      At the basis of all physical and mental phenomena there exist
      certain fundamental dynamical forms or patterns of behavior called
      number archetypes.

      Any specific process, physical or mental, is a particular
      representation of certain of these archetypes. In particular, the
      number archetypes provide the basis for all possible symbolic

      Therefore, it is possible that a neutral language constructed
      from abstract symbolic representations of the number archetypes may
      provide highly unified, although not unique, descriptions of all
      mental or physical phenomena.

      von Franz was not satisfied with Number and Time; she called
      it, "a rather unreadable book" and regretted that it had failed to
      communicate and provoke discussion of its central tenets. With it,
      she had tried to take Jung's initial hints somewhat further and to
      show that a "real, absolute isomorphism is present," between
      representations of the number archetypes as they appear in the
      psyche and in the physical world. She said, "I was able to take this
      up to the number four. Then it became too complicated, and at that
      point I also hit my head on the ceiling," (von Franz, 1992, p. 37)
      just as Jung, too, had hit his head on the ceiling prior to turning
      the project over to her.

      With Number and Time, von Franz unquestionably leads the
      reader through forbidding terrain--assuming extensive knowledge of
      Jungian psychology, as well as knowledge of major developments and
      issues in twentieth century physics and mathematics. She has
      attempted to create a discourse between the areas of depth
      psychology and physics, with the intent of working toward their
      ultimate unification—a task which can only be seen as Herculean. At
      present there are two factors which have helped to improve the
      accessibility of Number and Time. The first is the publication in
      1992 of von Franz's Psyche and Matter, a collection of twelve of her
      essays and lectures which clarify and amplify much of the content of
      Number and Time, and as such it comprises a suitable companion
      volume to it. The second factor is the emergence in the past decade
      of a growing interest in the collaboration of Jung and Pauli,
      including the publication of their correspondence and much valuable
      secondary source material.(for references see Card, 1991, 1992,
      1998; Robertson, 1995)

      From the vantage point offered by these works, it is now possible
      to reassess the importance of von Franz's work on number archetypes:
      by developing and refining the central ideas of the Jung-Pauli
      collaboration, she has pointed, through her examination of the
      number archetypes, to the way by which Pauli's psycho-physically
      neutral language might be obtained. If this should ever be achieved,
      it could become the means for the development of a post-Cartesian
      archetypal science in which a unified inquiry into the nature of
      mind and matter could take place. If this is so, then von Franz's
      most obscure work would easily become her most important. It is
      hoped that the essay which follows will help to advance von Franz's
      work and be seen as a fitting tribute to her."

      Number and Time
      Reflections Leading Toward a Unification of Depth Psychology and

      Marie-Louise Von Franz

      "C.G. Jung's work in his later years suggested that the seemingly
      divergent sciences of psychology and modern physics might, in fact,
      be approaching a unified world model in which the dualism of matter
      and psyche would be resolved. Jung believed that the natural
      integers are the archetypal patterns that regulate the unitary realm
      of psyche and matter, and that number serves as a special instrument
      for man's becoming conscious of this unity.

      "Writen in a clear style and replete with illustrations which help
      make the mathematical ideas visible, Number and Time is a piece of
      original scholarship which introduces a view of how "mind" connects
      with "matter" at the most fundamental level."

      Marie-Louise von Franz (January 4, 1915 - February 17, 1998), the
      daughter of an Austrian baron and born in Munich, Germany, was a
      Swiss Jungian Psychologist and scholar. She worked with Carl Jung
      whom she met in 1933 and knew until his death in 1961. She founded
      the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich. As a psychotherapist, she is
      said to have interpreted over 65,000 dreams, primarily practicing in
      Kusnacht, Switzerland.

      She wrote over 20 volumes on Analytical psychology, most notably on
      fairy tales as they relate to Archetypal or Depth Psychology, most
      specifically by amplification of the themes and characters. She also
      wrote on subjects such as alchemy, discussed from the Jungian,
      psychological perspective, and active imagination, which could be
      described as conscious dreaming. In Man and his Symbols, von Franz
      described active imagination as follows: "Active imagination is a
      certain way of meditating imaginatively, by which one may
      deliberately enter into contact with the unconscious and make a
      conscious connection with psychic phenomena."
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