11213Re: Beware of...
- Jan 6, 2006To Terence, who wrote:
>>Tis an interesting phenomenon that there isall this hoopla about Joel's persona coming
from Mason and Emil. Is there not a saying to
the effect that "he who is without sin cast the
first stone?" Are both Mason and Emil
guileless? Having never met these persons, I
can not say; however, in the Age of the
Consciousness Soul, I have my suspicions that
neither Mason or Emil are beyond reproach. Then
why the censure of Joel?<<
I have already in my AT posts tried to explain
why I wrote and posted what you call my
"censure of Joel". (Tried, at considerable
length and in considerable detail, especially
in my long post to Stephen Clarke.) None of my
explanations depend upon an assumption or
premise that I am "guileless", or
guiltless. You may be of the opinion that my
explanations are somehow inadequate, but I see
no indication here that you have read and
seriously considered them. If you would cite
them and tell me exactly why you (presumably)
consider them to be inadequate, then maybe we
could proceed from there. But now, I don't see
any point in merely repeating essentially what
I have already written.
>>We are taught that for every step forward wemake in spiritual development that we take
three steps forward in character development.
My question is, "what kind of progress are we
making when we continue to visit the past?" Do
we not need to let the dead bury the dead,
while the living create the future?<<
As I already said in my previous post here,
this matter belongs not just to the past but
also to the present. Joel still posts on his
website the "Perspective" essay; this brings
the whole "Maitreya" thing right into the
present: he is still saying it. More
importantly, he is still "doing it"'; he is
still acting from the same, sick mind-set --
acting upon other people.
>>I have never met Joel either, yet by his ownadmisssion [sic] he does not claim to be
guileless or without sin or shame.<<
But he does claim (obliquely, deviously) to be
the New World-Teacher of Anthroposophy, and
(again) more importantly, he is acting upon
that mad presumption.
>>Robert and Emil, are you not more than yourname? More than your persona quirks and
character defects? Come on man, let the sublect
[sic] of Joel and his quirks and defects alone.
Enough is enough! As I read what you have
written on the A_T list, you are telling more
about yourself than you are of Joel. Can you
not see the beam in your own eye?<<
I suppose I have beams enough, but so what?
That doesn't mean that I can't add two plus two
and come out somewhere between three and five.
And it doesn't mean that I have to swallow all
the BS that anyone might want to feed me.
Still less does it mean that I must stand idly
by while someone is feeding BS to other people.
>>Be aware! Be alive. Let the dead bury thedead.
>>Have you ever attended a 12 Step meeting?<<Robert writes:
I have not attended any 12-step meetings, but I
am aware of the doctrine. I have done some
"group work" of a less doctrinaire and more
intensive kind. And to a large extent, my
experiences in and around such groups have
educated me about the kinds of tricks that some
people (especially manipulative addicts) will
play, about the BS they will pitch, and about
the depths of the perversity that madness can
reach. I have learned to ask questions and to
be alert to evasions. I have learned:
that talk is cheap,
that actions speak louder than words,
that ye shall know them by their fruits,
and to keep my eye on the bottom line.
-- I'm guessing that you are struggling with
some kind of addiction and working with some
kind of 12-step program. I hope that you are
aware that such "meetings" have their dangers
as well as their benefits. (Kinda like e-
groups.) You can do some good "work" and meet
some helpful people there, but you might also
meet some "users", in the other sense of the
word. Such people will try to run all sorts of
tricky, manipulative games on you, and if you
let them get very close to you, you will likely
regret it bitterly. (That's a big reason why
some "self-help" groups have the rule that the
members may have no social relations with each
other outside the meetings.) It does seem that
many "users" are just that, in both senses of
I hope that you keep your BS meter with you
at all times, keep it calibrated, keep good
batteries in it, and set the alarm to LOUD.
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