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  • morvana_dumiruvor
    This is true. I liked Garrett Hedlund from Troy, though, too. He was a really awesome Patroclus. ^^ ... played eragon was a lot hotter... ... of ... book ...
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      This is true. I liked Garrett Hedlund from Troy, though, too. He
      was a really awesome Patroclus. ^^


      --- In anniesfanfiction@yahoogroups.com, Renet Roy
      <charmed_girl2002@...> wrote:
      >
      > hey you are right...
      > garrett hedlund is pretty cute in the movie... though the guy who
      played eragon was a lot hotter...
      > charmed13
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: morvana_dumiruvor <morvana_dumiruvor@...>
      > To: anniesfanfiction@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:55:23 PM
      > Subject: [anniesfanfiction] Re: Just in case...
      >
      > Annie--
      >
      > YOU might not say you're better than Paolini, but I will. I do
      > think he has a good sense of what makes a story complete and that
      > he's definitely proved himself to be a sharp writer. However, I
      > often stop when I read Eragon at certain parts and go, What kind
      of
      > frame of mind was he in when he wrote that? Do people actually SAY
      > that? If I don't think it, the writing's good. Sorry for all the
      > compliments, it might not be terribly refreshing.
      >
      > Anyway, the movie...I have mixed feelings about it. When I went
      > into the movie, I told myself that I didn't really care about the
      > outcome because I know the movie can never ever compare to the
      book
      > due to limitations and inhibitions that authors don't have to
      worry
      > about but directors do. This was probably the best attitude,
      > because if I'd cared, I would have been disappointed. From a
      > critical POV, the story was anti-climatic (it built and built and
      > then!--nothing) and for some reason they felt the desire to add
      and
      > take such strange parts that I was wondering if they even read the
      > book at all. HOWEVER: The CG were pretty darn amazing, the acting
      > was pretty good (I'm a big Robert Carlyle fan--he plays a fab
      baddie-
      > -and John Malkovich is a classic), and I (repeat) REALLY like the
      > Boy Toy. And let's not forget Garrett Hedlund (sp?) who plays
      > Murtagh. Wasn't feeling the hair, but he was still extremely cute.
      > Okay, truthfully I only went to the movie to see the eye candy,
      but
      > it was one of its most redeeming features about the movie. The
      > movie left off at a strange point and I'm totally clueless as to
      how
      > they plan on doing the next movie. I wonder if they were even
      > thinking about that....
      >
      > Speaking of movies, that reminds me of Harry Potter movies. I
      think
      > it's interesting that they spend a lot of time and effort on
      getting
      > the actors, and not enough time on the script. There's some really
      > funny parts, but I can conceive of about a thousand ways they can
      > make the movies more accurate and still have the time and budget
      > cut. Don't get me wrong--I think that the Harry Potter movies are
      > good considering what they're based on and the script-writer has
      > some pretty big shoes to fill. Still, I wonder how they're going
      to
      > pull of the whole Prophecy thing in the next movie? I am, as
      > always, pretty excited about seeing it. Mostly because one of my
      > FAVORITE actresses is playing one of my FAVORITE characters--
      Helena
      > Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange--but still, I'm quite
      excited.
      > I'm pretty excited about the sixth movie, which iuno, pretty much
      > makes me a total headcase, but I'm glad Draco gets a more
      prevalent
      > role. I think they downplay Harry's and Draco's rivalry a LOT,
      > which makes me sad.
      >
      > Anyway, sorry to talk your ear off!
      >
      > Ta
      >
      > Morvana
      >
      > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "Annie" <shmexsay@ .>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Morvana,
      > >
      > > Oh, no, I would never say I'm better than any published author,
      not
      > > even Christopher Paolini. I mean, I haven't read his series for a
      > > while now, so I can't remember the writing that well. I imagine
      it
      > > just wasn't to my preference, though. I suppose I'm just lashing
      > out
      > > because there seems to be so much praise of his work (some
      people
      > have
      > > even said it's just as good/better than the HP series *snorts*),
      > and I
      > > don't agree with most of it. But yes, Edward is certainly easy
      on
      > the
      > > eyes, to put it lightly :P I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm
      a
      > bit
      > > wary to after hearing all the negative reviews.
      > >
      > > - Annie
      > >
      > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "morvana_dumiruvor"
      > > <morvana_dumiruvor@ > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Annie--
      > > >
      > > > You're right, the writing in Eragon IS terrible. However, the
      > story's
      > > > good. Well, sort of. I sort of only read the interesting parts
      > in
      > > > the second book--those parts involving Eragon. And you're
      > right, it's
      > > > largely unimaginative. But again, the nice factor is that Ed
      > Speleers
      > > > is REALLY fun to look at. ^.^ Anyway, yes, the series is only
      > so-so,
      > > > and I haven't made a huge effort to follow it (or read the
      whole
      > > > thing, much less, haha). The writing is what's to be expected
      > of a
      > > > young untested writer (there are of course exceptions with
      > > > yourself--and possibly myself, not sure).
      > > >
      > > > Anyway, yeah, fantasy is getting less diverse, which is sad,
      but
      > if
      > > > it's getting less diverse, it just means that there are a LOT
      of
      > books
      > > > to read and we probably won't be able to read them in our
      > lifetime. I
      > > > didn't have a lot of time to read when I went to boarding
      > school, but
      > > > now I have a LOT of time to read, so I do as often as I can.
      > School's
      > > > funny like that. But at least I've had good luck with academic
      > > > literature.
      > > >
      > > > As for Hermione's and Ron's relationship, it's nice to know
      that
      > > > someone else has a realistic view of their relationship and
      > believes
      > > > that they're *sigh* meant to be. ^.^
      > > >
      > > > Ta
      > > >
      > > > Morvana
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "Annie" <shmexsay@>
      > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Morvana,
      > > > >
      > > > > I felt rather stupid when I read your post about fantasy
      > fiction :P
      > > > > The only fantasy fiction novel I've read (which wasn't fan
      > fiction or
      > > > > HP) since leaving elementary school was Eragon, and I hated
      > it. I
      > > > > simply don't have the time to read books that aren't
      required
      > in
      > > > > school; fan fiction is so much more convenient when I'm in
      the
      > mood to
      > > > > read something. So really, I haven't a clue about any of the
      > authors
      > > > > you mentioned *hides* I agree with you, though, that fantasy
      > is a
      > > > > growing genre. It's a good thing, of course, but the thing
      is,
      > the
      > > > > wider it spreads, the less originality there'll be (or maybe
      > I'm just
      > > > > being cynical about it). Take Eragon, for example. I
      apologise
      > if you
      > > > > like the series, but I thought it was bland, unimaginative,
      and
      > > > > predictable. Oh, and I thought the writing was terrible. But
      > that's a
      > > > > whole 'nother story...
      > > > >
      > > > > Oh, and I agree entirely with your analysis of Ron and
      > Hermione's
      > > > > relationship. You've stated everything I think, so I really
      > can't
      > > > > think of anything to add on to it :P
      > > > >
      > > > > - Annie
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups.
      com, "morvana_dumiruvor"
      > > > > <morvana_dumiruvor@ > wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Annie--
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I definitely wouldn't say my insights are better than
      yours
      > (but
      > > I'll
      > > > > > take the compliment and run with it, haha). Anyway, it's
      > one of the
      > > > > > most interesting parts of your story about the time frame
      > thing.
      > > > > > Although we'd love to see the tragic hero, Draco, happy
      and
      > finally
      > > > > > get his (positive) due, we (and I speak mainly for myself,
      I
      > > suppose)
      > > > > > still feel a pang of guilt for Ron. Hermione definitely
      > loves Ron,
      > > > > > because you could tell in the way that she always wanted
      > things
      > > to be
      > > > > > right between them. In a story I've written, Hermione
      > started
      > > falling
      > > > > > for Draco for awhile, but she ended up back with Ron. I
      > think
      > > > > > Hermione's always been very safe, and so her attraction
      (and
      > > > > > ultimately, the writer's/reader' s) to Draco is that he's
      NOT
      > > safe. He
      > > > > > is dark and dangerous and clever and ambitious, so we kind
      of
      > > like to
      > > > > > see Hermione breaking out a little. Ron is safe (even if
      he
      > is
      > > a bit
      > > > > > of a headcase) but he treats Hermione the way she
      ultimately
      > > deserves
      > > > > > to be treated (whether he knows it or not; sorry about all
      > the
      > > > > > parentheses) . In short, I think that Hermione and Ron
      have
      > been
      > > > > > written so well by Rowling that it would take hundreds of
      > pages for
      > > > > > them to lose what they have. I mean, Rowling has been
      > slowly sewing
      > > > > > them together for six books, and to unravel them would
      take
      > a LOT of
      > > > > > work by ff authors to just tear them totally apart, because
      > > attentive
      > > > > > readers will always feel a pang of wrongness if
      > Ron+Hermione' s just
      > > > > > suddenly...over. It's the reason why a lot of ff authors
      > > > > > subconsciously work hard at making the break-up or falling
      > apart
      > > > > > relationship between the two of them realistic. It seems
      > that
      > > you've
      > > > > > definitely consciously tried to portray the realism, but
      it's
      > > possible
      > > > > > that it goes deeper than your original intentions for the
      fic
      > > and into
      > > > > > the instinctual feelings of a true Rowling fan.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Ta
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Morvana
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "Annie"
      <shmexsay@>
      > wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Morvana,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Really, you flatter me :P But you described everything
      > > > perfectly. You
      > > > > > > have no idea how surreal it feels to me that people are
      > actually
      > > > > > > discussing something I wrote. It's just so odd. I still
      > can't
      > > > get used
      > > > > > > to the fact that real people are actually reading my
      > stories,
      > > > because
      > > > > > > writing is such a personal thing. I'm sure you
      understand
      > what I
      > > > mean,
      > > > > > > as a writer yourself. But it really is the greatest
      > blessing ever,
      > > > > > > receiving all these reviews and getting to read and
      > respond to
      > > > all of
      > > > > > > your guys' thoughts and opinions.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I think that happens a lot -- we fall in love with the
      main
      > > > characters
      > > > > > > of a story because we see everything from their
      > perspective.
      > > > Moreover,
      > > > > > > everything is set in a specific time period (in this
      case,
      > one
      > > > month),
      > > > > > > so it's impossible to say that Draco and Hermione's
      > > relationship is
      > > > > > > stronger than Ron and Hermione's because we don't know
      what
      > > happened
      > > > > > > between Ron and Hermione before ATW started. They've
      > obviously
      > > been
      > > > > > > through a lot -- Hogwarts, the war, getting jobs
      together,
      > etc.
      > > > > > > Hermione wouldn't jump into an engagement so rashly
      unless
      > she
      > > > really
      > > > > > > wanted to marry the person. (Although she did break it
      off
      > > > quickly...
      > > > > > > but she was overwhelmed by everything else and she
      needed
      > time to
      > > > > > > think; at least, that's my excuse.)
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Your insight into this story is probably better than
      > mine :P I
      > > would
      > > > > > > love to read some of your works some time.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > - Annie
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In
      > anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "morvana_dumiruvor"
      > > > > > > <morvana_dumiruvor@ > wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > All--
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > My, how I'm LOVING this conversation. It's one of the
      > best
      > > > parts of
      > > > > > > > fan fiction--the ability to discuss these things.
      > Anyway, it's
      > > > > a show
      > > > > > > > of great esteem for the story, and possibly the most
      > > > > complimentary way
      > > > > > > > of esteeming a story, when the readers take genuine
      > interest
      > > > in how
      > > > > > > > the story ends and care enough that all the characters
      > feel
      > > > good at
      > > > > > > > the end. If the readers can't just walk away from a
      > > > book/story, and
      > > > > > > > if the story weighs heavy on their mind long after
      > they've
      > > > finished
      > > > > > > > it, it just means that the story carried important
      > messages
      > > to the
      > > > > > > > reader--a message that is highly relevant to their
      > life. I just
      > > > > think
      > > > > > > > about this in the frame of mind of an aspiring
      > author/submitted
      > > > > > > > fanfictionalist and feel not only happiness to be able
      to
      > > > > discuss this
      > > > > > > > stuff with people who like the same kind of stories
      but
      > also the
      > > > > > > > AUTHOR of my favorite fic and also envy because it's
      > such a
      > > unique
      > > > > > > > gift for readers to be so interested.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > It's sad that Draco cannot get what he wants but we
      have
      > to
      > > > believe
      > > > > > > > that if Hermione is capable of loving him, Draco
      > definitely
      > > > has the
      > > > > > > > capability of catching the attention of other young
      > women,
      > > > > despite his
      > > > > > > > disfigurement. I think the truth is that the reason
      > everyone is
      > > > > upset
      > > > > > > > about Hermione and Draco not ending up together is
      that
      > the
      > > > > character
      > > > > > > > was so well written that we've all sort of fallen in
      > love with
      > > > that
      > > > > > > > Draco and now we want the heroine and the hero to
      tread
      > their
      > > > > original
      > > > > > > > path of love. Again, how lucky is Annie, haha!
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Morvana
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, "Annie"
      > <shmexsay@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > charmed13,
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Don't worry, I'm not offended by the fact that you
      > would
      > > rather
      > > > > > Draco
      > > > > > > > > and Hermione be together. You're not alone in that
      > opinion,
      > > > > either;
      > > > > > > > > most of my readers feel the same way. To tell you
      the
      > truth, I
      > > > > would
      > > > > > > > > have liked for them to end up together too. It may
      not
      > > show, but
      > > > > > I do
      > > > > > > > > love happy endings :P The thing is, I planned for
      > Hermione
      > > to go
      > > > > > back
      > > > > > > > > to Ron when I was outlining this story, before I had
      > even
      > > > started
      > > > > > > > > writing. I intended for her thing (I don't want to
      say
      > > "fling",
      > > > > > > > > because that word bothers me) with Draco to be a
      sort
      > of
      > > wake-up
      > > > > > call
      > > > > > > > > that makes her realise there's more to life than the
      > little
      > > > safety
      > > > > > > > > bubble she's living in, an experience she'll
      remember
      > forever.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > But, in any case, I respect your opinion and thank
      you
      > for
      > > > > > sharing it.
      > > > > > > > > Hopefully the alternate epilogue will satiate your
      > need for a
      > > > > happy
      > > > > > > > > ending :)
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > - Annie
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, Renet Roy
      > > > > > > > > <charmed_girl2002@ > wrote:
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > hey its several aginst one.... so you know what
      all
      > of you
      > > > > have a
      > > > > > > > > point... and annie.. i do respect your ending.. well
      > afterall,
      > > > > it is
      > > > > > > > > your story.....
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
      > > > > > > > > > From: baileyseu <baileyseu@>
      > > > > > > > > > To: anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:13:58 PM
      > > > > > > > > > Subject: [anniesfanfiction] Re: Just in case...
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > Just a comment: but if you look at it in terms of
      > everyone
      > > > > getting
      > > > > > > > > > what they want, only Draco did not get what he
      > wanted. Yes,
      > > > > > > Hermione,
      > > > > > > > > > on some level, wanted to be able to be with him,
      but
      > she saw
      > > > > > that he
      > > > > > > > > > could never give her the life she wanted. He could
      > never
      > > > > > change that
      > > > > > > > > > side of him to be what she wanted. And Ron wanted
      > Hermione
      > > > back,
      > > > > > > so he
      > > > > > > > > > got what he wanted. It's only a sad ending for
      Draco,
      > > and the
      > > > > > reader
      > > > > > > > > > if they wanted desperately for them to be together
      > > (which was
      > > > > > > me, but
      > > > > > > > > > I respect Annie's ending.)
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > Happy endings are nice... but I truly believe it
      was
      > a happy
      > > > > > ending
      > > > > > > > > > for Hermione and Ron. She will always love Draco,
      > but she
      > > > > will be
      > > > > > > > > > happier with Ron. It was kind of obvious with the
      > beginning.
      > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > --- In anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com, Renet
      Roy
      > > > > > > > > > <charmed_girl2002@ ...> wrote:
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > oh its.... actually, i think you do have a point
      > there.. i
      > > > > > > mean, it
      > > > > > > > > > was my opinion. you didn't have to agree with it.
      Sad
      > > endings
      > > > > > > kind of
      > > > > > > > > > makes the story look incomplete.. again this is
      > simply my
      > > > > > opinion..
      > > > > > > > > > you certainly don;t have to agree with it. and
      maybe
      > it
      > > could
      > > > > > due to
      > > > > > > > > > the age because i am going through my teenage...
      > sooo you
      > > > > > > know... and
      > > > > > > > > > i am actually sooo glad that i joined this
      forum...
      > this
      > > is so
      > > > > > > coool.
      > > > > > > > > > i really don't have any friends because i just
      moved
      > here...
      > > > > > so i am
      > > > > > > > > > sort of lonely and it could be one of the resons
      why
      > i like
      > > > > happy
      > > > > > > > > > endings where everybody gets what they want... :)
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
      > > > > > > > > > > From: morvana_dumiruvor <morvana_dumiruvor@ ...>
      > > > > > > > > > > To: anniesfanfiction@ yahoogroups. com
      > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:37:33 PM
      > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [anniesfanfiction] Just in case...
      > > > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > > ...any of you were offended by my argument
      against
      > the
      > > > > > alternative
      > > > > > > > > > > ending, I'm sorry. I was just stating my
      personal
      > opinions
      > > > > > > based on
      > > > > > > > > > > my feelings as an author myself. If indeed it
      was,
      > > > forgive the
      > > > > > > > > > > transgression. : )
      > > > > > > > > > >
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