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engravings of feet from St. Louis discovered; Thor Heyerdahl quote; Aztlan list

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  • Susan
    Vince, all, I d not found a couple of articles about the unusual find of apparent human-like footprints of seemingly great antiquity in St. Louis. And no
    Message 1 of 2 , Dec 29, 2008
      Vince, all,
      I'd not  found a couple of articles about the unusual find of apparent human-like footprints of seemingly great antiquity in St. Louis.  And no one should be surprised such findings will not be within the teachings of religionists nor the  journals of archaeologists and paleontologists, also not open to such possibilities. Nor to having career fields altered or having to live a double standard.  I recall  writer David Hoffman purchased a TV documentary (Charleton Heston narrating)  in two versions, one for PBS and the other more controvertial, unedited version  for home viewing,  showing such things as human footprints among ancient reptiles.
      The undaunted king of courage was Norwegian anthropologist, Thor Heyerdahl, who remained unwavering in his attempts to bridge not only transcontinental peoples via diffusion but also great gaps between cultures past and present as 'a world citizen', said one article.  The following statement by Dr. Heyerdahl probablyever  raised a few hairs on many diffusioinists of European descent, this exerpt from  Early Man and the Ocean: the beginning of navigation and seaborn civilizations (1979), ( pp. 72-72):
      We of European extraction are surely not so blinded by our own history that we consider ourselves a line of supermen, able to do four centuries ago what the great civilisations of Asia Minor and North Africa could not have done earlier. It must not be forgotten that these people of  antiquity had skills and capacities that far surpassed anything done in the same fields in Europe during the Middle Ages. The Egyptians and their neighbours in Mesopotamia and Phoenicia knew more about astronomy, the key to ocean navigation, than any Europeans contemporary with Columbus, Cortez and Pizarro. And the Phoenicians, in collaboration with the Egyptians, were circumnavigating Africa at the time of the Pharaoh Necho, 2,000 years before Columbus set sail in an ocean that Europeans believed was filled with dragons and ended at the horizon in a precipice.
      We marvel at the abilities of the ancients as embodied in their pyramids and obelisks, sophisticated mathematics and calendar systems, profound literature and philosophy, perfect mastery of maritime architecture, as evidenced by the functional form and complex rigging of their ships of planks and reeds 5,000 years ago, and their skill in exploration and colonisation as revealed by the numerous archaeological vestiges of Phoenician settlement all the way down the Atlantic coast of Morocco dating back 3,000 years. But is it realistic to stand in awe of such achievements only to deny these ancients the ability to do what Pizarro did with a handful of men in a subsequent age beset by ignorance and superstition? 
       I appreciate the many links and letters you send to this group, Vince, including controvertial  data surrounding your dedicated experiences at Cahokia.  And especially your delving into research far back into antiquity within the Americas and two way trans-oceanic contacts.
      I wonder if the Poverty Point area  not far from where you live is another significant waterway area where there were  'layers upon layers of civilization' and multiple cultures left their mark.  It should not be any stretch at all to find that  Olmec explorers and traders from coastal Mexico impacted Poverty Point and Mississippi Riverway trade centers northward.  
      Vince, since Thor and AWS does not provide much feedback and discussion on some of the moundbuilders topics you often raise, I found another group you might want to also check into called  the Aztlan List, though looks a bit conservative,  formal, and springs from a funded group, FAMSI, Foundation for the Advancement of MesoAmerican Studies, Inc.

      But gives you another group resource besides some of our quieter or more specialized diffusionist groups.  The Aztlan List seems to be open to all persons interested in PreColumbian cultures, with  some formalities and guidelines.  Your work is well done, scholarly...perhaps a beefing up of your Bibliography.  I'd not be surprised many would be interested in your work and insights,  perhaps you can make some data-based connections between mesoAmerica and the moundbuilders.  For what it is worth:
      Hopefully this does not reduce your time and efforts here at our site, at all.  But, as a connector of people and resources..it is  a suggestion.  Other related groups may be out there too which could provide some lively two way in-depth discussions.  If you find some of these interconnections, please share these,  as you do so well. 
       ....AZTLAN is open to all persons interested in Pre-Columbian cultures, whether amateurs or professionals. You are encouraged to participate in all discussion areas of your interest, in a manner consistent with your level of knowledge. Good ideas may come equally from any and all participants, even those in fields where they are not specialists. 

       I have been on holiday with family for  five solid days of traditional doings.  Great now to be back  thinking about things ancient, especially as some of the things I once never questioned within my society have turned out to be shallowly rooted in sand and falling away.  The solid-based values within my society shall always remain, but many are looking to fill in some of the gaps.  And rather than re-run some  of the mistakes of a violent, greed-filled past, many are looking to the far ancient past for universals and  things imprinted within deeper, more solid ground.  Perhaps such as the St. Louis feet.
      --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Barrows <v_barrows@...> wrote:
      > Bradford says: " The
      > most singular of these sculptors [he is1 telling about the imprints of feet
      > observed in Asia and America]
      > has been discovered on the banks of the Mississippi,
      > near St. Louis. This
      > is a tabular mass of lime stone bearing the impression of two human feet. The
      > rock is compact limestone of grayish-blue color, containing the cncrinite,
      > echinite, and other fossils. The feet are quite flattened, but the muscular
      > marks are delineated with great precision. Immediately before the feet lies a
      > scroll sculptured in similar style. "
      > On the other hand Priest in his work on "American
      > Antiquities'" says, [speaking of the impressions at St. Louis,] "
      > Directly before the prints of these feet, within a few inches, is a well
      > impressed and deep mark, having some resemblance to a scroll, or roll of
      > parchment,, two feet long, by a foot in width.
      > D. Emanuel said "Around St. Louis,
      > Missouri, on a stone of
      > grayish blue limestone
      > found the imprint perfect human feet carved about two or
      > three meters long and one or two wide, and was
      > extracted from a nearby quarry. These footprints are
      > in fact similar to those that have been copied on the terraces
      > temples of Thebes
      > in Egypt,
      > Karnak, and
      > Nakhaur particularly in southern Bihar;
      > but no one has yet discovered the meaning and
      > authors of this unique sculpture."
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