Dolmen in N. Minnesota & Ontario,, Canada, etc.
Rick, you mentioned hearing of a dolmen in Indiana. There appear to be at least two or three in N. Minnesota. One is found via an interesting research site called "A View of the Bronze Age" by retired Univ. of Calif. professor Fred Legner who some of you might know from PreColumbian Inscriptions: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/bronze4.htm
Scroll down to click Fig. 32, or click directly to photo of dolmen found at Lake Lujenda in N. Minnesota: http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/doc/bron32.htm
And, from Sacred Places North America: 108 Destinations (2003) by Brad Olsen (p. 226 with circ circa 1600-map of Great Lakes Tribes and Native Sacred Sites:
..."Substantiating the prehistoric seafarer theory are many ancient relics near the Lake Superior mines with equally ancient dates. Examples are the Saw Bill Landing Dolmen in Northern Minnesota with an Ogam inscription of Baal the Caananite sun god; another dolmen known as the Huron Mountain Mystery Stone near Marquette, Michigan [which our friend Fred Rydholm has visited and written extensively aboauat]; the Newberry, Michigan statues and tablet with an undesciphered script that appears to be a cross between the Minoan alphabet and a version of Hittite; a possible calendar site marking the spring equinox on Devil's Island north of Sault Ste. Marie in Ontario; and numerous other monolithic standing stones, some containing Ogam inscriptions or other writings, strategically placed to denote safe anchorages or markers indicating the various river routes leading north to Hudson Bay."... http://books.google.com/books?id=Ap3q_odwhAAC&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=minnesota+dolmen&source=web&ots=KI4IOC06YI&sig=YJaMsIz5PSlXh4VDh4yodASguYk&hl=en
Both of the above sites have substantial information on the 800 megaliths at the Peterborough site in Ontario, Canada.
Kelso Mt. Trail is another dolmen near Duluth, MN-Superior, WI, probably near where member Herb Wagner resides and is photographing the anomolous underwater stone structure. Herb, when the weather warms and you have time for a motorcycle/canoe trip, perhaps you might snap photos of one or more of these wilderness places.
"...Getting into the canoe near Dolmen on Kelso River. What is a Dolmen? It depends which story you choose to believe. Dolmen is a rock. This particular dolmen is a big rock resting on three little rocks. Except one can rotate one of the supporting rocks about 20 degrees. How can that be? And was the dolmen erected by ancients or fire lookout workers on their day off? You decide. At either case, the Dolmen is just east across the Kelso River and the entrance to Kelso Mountain Trail."
Kelso Mountain Trail-How to get there: From Duluth, Minnesota, drive to Tofte on Hwy. 61, turn left onto Sawbill Trail and drive to Sawbill Lake (about 24 miles). At the Sawbill Lake is USFS multiple site campground, parking lot, Sawbill Canoe Outfitters ( with a supplies store and showers), and canoe landing. Canoe portion of the route (5 miles):
From the canoe landing at Sawbill, paddle north, then west to Kelso River (30 rod portage) upstream on Kelso River (don't worry about negligible current) and continue north on Kelso Lake and into Kelso River again. Kelso River winds and splits into two streams. Stay to the left. Eventually, you will approach a remnant of a beaver dam with a clear channel going through. On east side of the BD is a large boulder, called dolmen, perched on three small rocks. The landing and trailhead is on the west side, of the river, opposite and across from the dolmen. Remains of a small dock are still visible under the water near shore.
Have been out of town and catching up reading some of the posts here. No comments needed as I am just adding bits of information and a few links for the archives here for future reference for various groups and individual research being done here,
--- In email@example.com, "Rick Osmon" <ozman@...> wrote:
> I have to thank you for providing some information that I didn't know
> about my own home State: We have a dolmen!!
> It's well outside my usual stomping grounds, so it's no big surprise I
> didn't know about it. See an illustration HERE
> It's along the Wabash River near the confluence with the Eel River and
> five miles east of Logansport. So it fits the criteria for dolmens being
> way markers for waterways...
> Tecumseh's brother, "the Prophet" supposedly addressed the assembled
> Miami and Shawnee and a handful of visiting Kickapoo from this rock
> before Harrison and company set upon them at Tippecanoe.
> I will be visiting Logansport as soon as I can....I'll get photos to
> Thanks again
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Susan"
> beldingenglish@ wrote:
> > All,
> > Re; Rick's last post, it was necessary for me to look up "karst" and
> > "shoal", good terms to be familiar with in studying ancient, global
> > waterways. A web site on Indiana geomorphology includes karst
> > topography; also on the page, seems the one I explored by boat last
> > was the Bluespring Cavern.
> > http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/hoosier/gm.html
> > <http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/hoosier/gm.html>
> > MSE
> > --- In email@example.com
> > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org , "Rick Osmon"
> > ozman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Susan,
> > >
> > > Thank you for yet another insightful message. I "took off" on your
> > mention
> > > of gypsum mining associated with ancient inhabitants. I even updated
> > the
> > > appropriate Wkipedia (gypsum) page to include the commercial gypsum
> > mines
> > > here in Indiana. You drove directly past one of then in October of
> > last
> > > year, I think, and within five miles of the other.
> > >
> > > These gypsum deposits are used to make drywall in the present day,
> > in
> > > earlier historic times a fair amount of alabaster was pulled from
> > > surrounding area, including some of the nearby caves.The geology is
> > very,
> > > very similar to that of Mammoth Cave and the area around it
> > a very
> > > large number of limestone, so-called "karst zone" caves. Mammoth
> > and
> > > Shoals, IN are only about 100 miles apart as the crow flies.It is
> > > similar to the "cenotes" of the Yucatan or the "sinkholes" of
> > > Florida. Add in a hotspring to this general geology, and you can
> > some
> > > truly spectacular crystalline formations.
> > >
> > > The East Fork of White River, a tributary of the Wabash, thence the
> > Ohio,
> > > and finally the Mississippi, is and was truly a "backwater" area of
> > the
> > > continent. Piles of mussel shells are numerous and extensive, so
> > so
> > > that the town of Shoals made an industry of making shell buttons
> > them.
> > > The building erected and used for one of those old "button
> > still
> > > stands.
> > >
> > > One of the sites of ancient walls I have investigated is within five
> > miles
> > > of both these Shoals gypsum mines and within 1/4 mile of the East
> > Fork. One
> > > wall was clearly used as a dam for a mill pond, though nothing (no
> > metal or
> > > lumber) remains of the supposed mill are to be seen at the site,
> > the
> > > large, stacked stones. I found no mill stone, either, so the mill
> > have
> > > been (almost certainly, given the location) used for something other
> > than
> > > grinding grain.The other two walls on that property have no clear
> > purpose,
> > > but are definitely artificial. The mill pond took advantage of a
> > high-flow
> > > artesian spring coming from the hill. The amount of water coming
> > that
> > > spring can not be explained as coming off the top of that hill and
> > must come
> > > from further below in a "true" artesian manner. Similar artesian
> > sources are
> > > found in caves throughout southern Indiana and north central
> > (and a
> > > small handfull in north central Tennesee). Squire Boone Caverns
> > contains
> > > such an artesian spring that, at times, emits up to an estimated
> > million
> > > gallons of water per day. Squire Boone, brother to Daniel, also used
> > that
> > > water source for a grist mill. (And was buried in that cave.)
> > >
> > > More later on gypsum, caves, etc.
> > >
> > > Oz