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  • Rick O
    I retained an archival copy of the TEDX. Glad I did... ... http://tedxshelburnefalls.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/jim-vieiras-talk-remo ... giant ... papers,
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      I retained an archival copy of the TEDX. 
      Glad I did...

      --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "bigalemc2" wrote:
      >
      > Note to all:
      > I received the following in an email. I trust I have permission to
      > paste it in here:On 12/22/2012 3:35 PM, Gumba wrote:
      > With all due respect Mr. Garcia, I believe you may have mis-read what
      > Jim Vieira has said. The quotations you cite, are actually Stacy
      > Kontrabecki from the TEDx venue. She was asked to remove the TEDx talk
      > Jim Vieira gave in November, after archaeologists and the Smithsonian
      > were furious about his presentation.
      > http://tedxshelburnefalls.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/jim-vieiras-talk-remo\
      > ved-from-internet/
      > > oved-from-internet/> Jim has compiled thousands of accounts of giant
      > skeleton discoveries, sober accounts and written records in News papers,
      > historical journals, and the Smithsonian ethnology reports. This is the
      > video which TEDx removed, after it had become viral in 2 weeks, getting
      > 120,000 views. Luckily someone re-uploaded it for the third time. TEDx
      > is actively hunting down and deleting any re-uploads of the video,
      > citing copyright violations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_FSmvBgHUc
      > The cover-up of this
      > information is in full swing. Jim was recently on Coast to Coast AM
      > radio with George Noory discussing the reports of gigantic Indians,
      > skeletons, and stone and mound structures and the Smithsonian cover-ups
      > under Ales Hrdlicka which continues to this day. J.S. I apologize to
      > Viera (spelling included - I still am not sure of the spelling, but
      > think it is "Viera"). If this was from Stacy Kontrabecki, I still can't
      > find that name in there, but accept that Gumbo is correct.
      > So, those reading my long comment should replace Viera's name with
      > Kontrabecki's name.
      > I completely agree with anyone who shakes his/her head at the Nazi
      > tactics of Hrdlicka, the biggest jaggoff in the history of anthropology,
      > and one who has injured it immensely and set it back/held it back by
      > many decades. His dictatorial thinking and actions have blocked so much
      > and cost USA anthropology so many thousands of valid artifacts which
      > have - because of him, specifically, and his book-burner-like followers
      > - not been preserved and are now lost forever.
      > Hopefully the true history can overcome the Hrdlicka Affect and still be
      > reconstructed.
      > Steve Garcia
      > P.S. ---- Rick O., yes, Piltdown has NEVER been - and never will, now
      > - be forensically proven one way or another. And I did not remember it
      > was after 1900, so thanks for that.
      > ....From the sober tone of the articles I've seen quoted, I cannot
      > credit any broad generalizations of 'hoax' in 19th century accounts.
      > Mention in news articles is not exactly a way of making money. America
      > has always had many entrepreneurs who have tried many 'come-ons' - but
      > being mentioned in news articles is not a superhighway to riches. Most
      > come-ons I have ever seen or heard of have been roadside signs and
      > cheesy displays in ramshackle stands - that earn meager incomes not
      > worth much.
      > But to glomp ALL mentions of giant skeletons/skulls from ALL locations
      > in several states over several decades makes the accuser look dumber
      > than George W Bush and more tinfoil than UFOs. For academics to adopt
      > that position is farcical. The real hoax is theirs, in the end.
      >
      > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "Rick O" wrote:
      > >
      > > Good call, Steve! One exception: Piltdown man was a 20th century event
      > > (that has never been radio carbon dated to actually determine by
      > > scientific method whether it was a hoax- it was "assessed" as a hoax).
      > > And, yes, showmanship or newspaper sales are both possible motivations
      > > in at least some of the accounts. However, many accounts, including
      > the
      > > one I investigated thoroughly, include the names of the discovers. In
      > > the local case, I was able to verify that two of the folks named were
      > > real and contemporary to the news item. One was the acting Justice of
      > > the Peace at the time.
      > > http://youtu.be/o-JFrKsasUU
      > >
      > > For a video account of the initial investigation
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "bigalemc2" wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Susan -
      > > > Steve Garcia here. I don't post comments here very often at all,
      > > > because I don't have much to contribute. But there is at least one
      > > > issue Vierira addresses that I will contend with. I think Vierira
      > is
      > > > pulling off a speculative hipshooting on the issue of the giants.
      > > > Ed Grondine's book, "Man and Impact in the Americas" discusses the
      > > > Indian accounts of the giants and giant skeletons found by settlers.
      > > > They are sober accounts, with very little if any P.T. Barnum in any
      > of
      > > > them. Vierira is simply doing the arky 'sweep it under the carpet'
      > > > hoping everyone will bow to his supposed expertise. But he shows he
      > > > doesn't even know what he is talking about. Keep your eye on the
      > pea.
      > > > Vierira never talks about the giants in the areas where giants
      > really
      > > > did have remains found - with measurements in some cases.
      > > > Vierira:You share newspaper clippings from the 19th century,
      > > > including quotes from Abraham Lincoln, and claim they are evidence
      > of
      > > > giants. In fact, as one of our experts writes, "Skeletal hoaxes were
      > > > common in the 19th century (e.g., Piltdown Man, the Cardiff Giant,
      > and
      > > > Barnum & Bailey Fiji mermaids [now at Harvard's Peabody Museum]). If
      > > > (and this is a big if) the 8-foot skeleton is real, it could be a
      > case
      > > > of medical gigantism, but it is more likely a case of
      > exaggeration."6.
      > > > With respect to the theories of gigantism, the TEDx fact checkers
      > > spoke to an expert who researched Middle Woodland and Mississippian
      > skeletal
      > > > collections at the Center for American Archaeology (CAA), based in
      > > > Kampsville, IL, in 2007. The CAA is one of the largest repositories
      > of
      > > > excavated Woodland and Mississippian skeletal remains in the nation,
      > > and their osteological collections are available for student and
      > scholarly
      > > > study. One expert stated "I can assure you that the archaeological
      > > > Woodland and Mississippian populations were not giants. In some
      > cases,
      > > > one can observe a slight decrease in average height (a few
      > > centimeters)
      > > > with the transition from hunting and gathering to agriculture. This
      > is
      > > a trend that is observed in many cultures that undergo an agricultural
      > > > transition, and is likely related to shorter nursing times and
      > > increased early childhood grain consumption (maximum height is highly
      > correlated
      > > > to childhood protein consumption, so a high reliance on grain during
      > > > childhood tends to result in shorter stature)."
      > > > The first thing Vierira does is discount all the news accounts as
      > > "19th century" as if that makes them written by a bunch of country
      > bumpkins
      > > > who wouldn't know a large skeleton from a tree.
      > > > Then he makes another sweeping statement piling all the accounts
      > into
      > > > one pile - with P.T. Barnum (show biz and much later in the 19th
      > > > century) and Piltdown Man (England). "Skeletal hoaxes were common
      > in
      > > > the 19th century" - what is wrong with this? It is a
      > wave-of-the-hand
      > > > generality that means nothing. My money says he did not put ONE
      > > > second's effort into researching "the 19th century" (a generality in
      > > > itself) and its scams - and then broadly includes the entire world
      > in
      > > > his entire 19th century. This is a common modern hubris in science
      > -
      > > > that people - even scientists - in earlier times were not as capable
      > > as modern people to observe evidence clearly, thus that earlier
      > evidence
      > > > should be discounted. By this kind (Vierira) of "scientific review"
      > > all the work of Maxwell, Faraday, Davy, Watt and thousands of other
      > > > scientists can be included in the doubtful "19th century" scams. By
      > > > associating these in his ill-informed under-the-rug move, he hopes
      > to
      > > > convince people that all 19th century evidence is unreliable - based
      > > on nothing more than his say so. If I am not mistaken, Vierira never
      > > > looked at ONE of the newspaper accounts himself - which is a
      > > scientific strategy but a scientific scam, which goes, "I am the
      > authority, so
      > > > listen to everything I myself say and ignore anything I tell you to
      > > > ignore." They do this without doing ONE bit of actual research on
      > the
      > > > specific subject.
      > > > He even admits he has not looked at the evidence when he says, "If
      > > (and this is a big if) the 8-foot skeleton is real." Then he really
      > pulls
      > > a boner, when he says, "it could be a case of medical gigantism." Why
      > a
      > > > boner? Because he is frankly admitting he is speculating (using the
      > > > word "could"). He follows up that speculation with another: "but it
      > is
      > > > more likely a case of exaggeration." "More likely" means that he
      > > again did not even look at the evidence, but is pulling this out of
      > > > you-know-where - and expecting you the reader to just sit down,
      > listen
      > > > and shut up.
      > > > In the following I will leave out the numerous other references
      > to
      > > > skeletons or skulls of enormous stature or size. I accept the word
      > of
      > > > the many common people from many locations far afield of each other,
      > > and with no axe to grind, that when they say a skeleton is enormous or
      > > > gigantic, they will be comparing the remains with their general
      > > > experience and would not mention extraordinary size unless it was
      > > > remarkable. :
      > > > From Ed's book (p 117) "[]...the skeletons of eight persons...
      > > measuring eight feet from head to toe. . . the leg bone extended six
      > inches
      > > above his knee." I will ask what some member of the Warren Commission
      > asked
      > > > about the autopsy of JFK: "Do you accept that the person was capable
      > > of reading the numbers on a ruler"? (footnote available on request)
      > > > (p 124) "[Ashtabula, OH] ...This land at one time was owned by Mr.
      > > Peleg Sweet, who was a man of large size and full features; and it is
      > > narrated that at one time he, in digging, came upon a skull and jaw
      > which were
      > > of such size that the skull would cover his head, and the jaw could be
      > > > easily slipped over his face, as though the head of the giant were
      > > > enveloping his..."
      > > > (p 127) "[Erie, PA] ...Amongst the skeletons was one of a giant,
      > side
      > > by side with a smaller one, probably his wife. The arm and legs of
      > this
      > > > [N]ative American Goliath were about one-half longer than those of
      > the
      > > > tallest man among the laborers; the skull was immensely large' the
      > > lower jawbone easily slipped over the face and whiskers of a full
      > faced man..."
      > > > Ed has such accounts - footnoted - in several of his chapters, of
      > what
      > > > he calls the Copper Trading Giants, because they play a part over
      > some
      > > > time period, until they are killed off by other tribes.
      > > > I recommend the book "Man and Impact in the Americas" both as good
      > > > reading and as a reference. It is only available in soft cover, and
      > > > only from Ed himself. See his listing at cosmictusk.com for how to
      > > get a copy.
      > > > Steve Garcia
      > > > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > (Cal, i was stirred deeply by your last letter...recalled how
      > lucky
      > > > > I was to have met you at a conference in Provo or Salt Lake City
      > maybe
      > > > > almost two decades ago)
      > > > > Ancient Waterways friends. Happy Holidays!
      > > > > Minnesota researcher Larry Furo sent an update today to another
      > > group I have great interest in. It is a lengthy, but sincere,
      > well-written
      > > > > letter and the latest word from Ashfield, Massachuetts stonemason,
      > > > James Vieira who has been mentioned at AWS before by some of you,
      > though i
      > > > > think his last name at our site was spelled incorrectly. At least
      > > two members know him personally and have expressed great respect for
      > > him. Again, a broad subject and lengthy letter from him. But I and
      > many
      > > > here and diffusionists as well as many academics as well have long
      > held
      > > > much interest and may find it well worth stepping further into the
      > > diligent efforts of James Vierira.
      > > > > First, a somewhat random link about him first (i fell on blue ice
      > > > > covered with right inches of snow in a blizzard this AM trying to
      > > pick up a Christmas tree before my children from three states come
      > north
      > > > for our weekend holiday celebration. I hurt my neck something
      > fierce,
      > > > > waived off an ambulance and cannot linger long here). Next, i hope
      > > > will follow his most recent public letter he posted at his Facebook
      > page
      > > > > under this title: Stone Builders, Mound Builders and the Giants
      > of
      > > > > Ancient America | Jim Vieira
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/stone-builders-mound-builde\
      > rs-and-the-giants-of-ancient-america-jim-vieira-2506330.html
      > > > >
      > > > > Scanned, for those not signed into FB, from James E. Vieira, his
      > > > > response to recent censorship, etc.:
      > > > > "After 120,000 views, the #1 most watched tedx video in the world
      > > > during the month it was up, my talk has been removed. I am posting
      > the
      > > resons given and my response. A long but interesting read about how
      > > > censorship can happen. Thanks JimAt 2:03 -- You claim: "These
      > structures are so
      > > > > staggering that people don't even think they exist still." In
      > > > > fact, there is a general archaeological consensus about the
      > > impressive civilization demonstrated by the moundbuilders in Cahokia
      > and
      > > similar sites.2. At 4:05 -- You claim: "The moundbuilders who built
      > all
      > > > > kinds of structures." All evidence for the moundbuilders'
      > > > > architecture suggests that they built with sod packets and wood.3.
      > > At 4:19 -- You mention carbon-dating but do not specify what was
      > > > > carbon-dated. You cannot carbon-date stone. Again at 6:00.4. At
      > 7:26
      > > > -- You mention Mayan theories. Since the recent deciphering of
      > almost
      > > the full Mayan script, the astronomical preoccupation attributed to
      > > Mayan writings has been largely discredited. Most of the numbers found
      > in
      > > > the Mayan script are now believed to be dates of births, coronations
      > and
      > > > > wars.5. At 9:15 -- You share newspaper clippings from the 19th
      > > > century, including quotes from Abraham Lincoln, and claim they are
      > evidence
      > > of giants. In fact, as one of our experts writes, "Skeletal hoaxes
      > were
      > > > > common in the 19th century (e.g., Piltdown Man, the Cardiff Giant,
      > > and Barnum & Bailey Fiji mermaids [now at Harvard's Peabody Museum]).
      > If
      > > > > (and this is a big if) the 8-foot skeleton is real, it could be a
      > > case of medical gigantism, but it is more likely a case of
      > > exaggeration."6. With respect to the theories of gigantism, the TEDx
      > fact checkers
      > > > spoke to an expert who researched Middle Woodland and Mississippian
      > > skeletal collections at the Center for American Archaeology (CAA),
      > based in
      > > > > Kampsville, IL, in 2007. The CAA is one of the largest
      > repositories
      > > of excavated Woodland and Mississippian skeletal remains in the
      > nation,
      > > > and their osteological collections are available for student and
      > > scholarly study. One expert stated "I can assure you that the
      > archaeological
      > > > > Woodland and Mississippian populations were not giants. In some
      > > cases, one can observe a slight decrease in average height (a few
      > > > centimeters) with the transition from hunting and gathering to
      > agriculture. This
      > > is a trend that is observed in many cultures that undergo an
      > agricultural
      > > > > transition, and is likely related to shorter nursing times and
      > > > increased early childhood grain consumption (maximum height is
      > highly
      > > correlated to childhood protein consumption, so a high reliance on
      > grain during
      > > > > childhood tends to result in shorter stature)."7. At 12:49 --
      > "Bones
      > > > > crumbled away because they weren't mummified." Skeletal
      > > > > preservation and mummification are unrelated processes. Plenty of
      > > > > skeletons survive in New England, and the disappearance of any and
      > > all skeletons that could lend evidence to these claims today is highly
      > > > > suspect.8. With respect to repeated claims that the Smithsonian is
      > > > > hiding or covering up evidence, the fact checkers also heard this,
      > > as well: "In 2007 I was a visiting scientist at the Smithsonian Museum
      > > > > Support Center, and while it is full of amazing and bizarre
      > material
      > > > > (e.g., an entire herd of elephants that Teddy Roosevelt shot
      > > occupies one floor), there is no conspiracy to cover up or hide Native
      > > American giant skeletons or artifacts. Like most museums, the
      > Smithsonian
      > > > > displays less than 1% of its collections at any given time,
      > meaning
      > > > that a lot of material spends decades (or sadly centuries) in its
      > vaults
      > > > > awaiting exhibition. We can debate whether or not this is
      > > responsible stewardship (a debate that would also have to include a
      > discussion
      > > of the chronic underfunding of public museums and the economics of
      > > public education), but to portray the Smithsonian today as part of
      > some
      > > sort of a conspiracy of `misinformation and corruption' to cover up
      > > > > Native American history by hiding giant moundbuilder skeletons
      > > > excavated in the 19th century is ridiculous. Smithsonian physical
      > > > anthropologists have published an impressive body of literature on
      > the analysis of
      > > > their collections."I am writing to respond to the stated reasons why
      > my
      > > TEDX talk was removed. 1. My assertion is that the staggering
      > structures
      > > of the Mound Builders are largely unknown by the general public. I did
      > > > not state that Archaeologists were unaware of this, I simply stated
      > that
      > > > the large majority of the population has no idea that they existed.
      > I
      > > have presented to thousands of people and always ask if anyone has
      > ever
      > > > heard of the Mound Builders and their creations; no more than a
      > handful
      > > has said yes. Despite the astounding engineering feats and widespread
      > > > > construction of mind-boggling earthen pyramids and geometric forms
      > > in Ancient America this is barely discussed in high school or college
      > > > > education. The TED Board's assertion is a transparent attempt to
      > > > portray me as lacking a basic understanding of Archaeological
      > theory.2. This
      > > > > statement is false. Actually, this helps prove my point that the
      > > works of the Mound Builders are poorly understood, even by the experts
      > .
      > > The Mound Builders are well known for building with stone. There is
      > > > > absolutely an archaeological consensus for this. The Adena ,
      > > Hopewell and Fort Ancient cultures built massive stone wall complexes,
      > stone
      > > > > mounds and often stone temple chambers within earthen mounds. The
      > > > Butler Co. site, Miami Co. site, Fort Hill, Spruce Hill and the Old
      > Stone
      > > > Fort at Tennessee are a few of the well known and universally
      > accepted
      > > > stone works of Ancient America. Spruce Hill was a 140 acre hilltop
      > with a
      > > > two and a quarter mile-long stone wall around the perimeter. A map
      > of
      > > the site is listed in the Smithsonian's 12th annual ethnology report
      > by
      > > > the respected Cyrus Thomas who also mapped the stone fort at Flint
      > > ridge.
      > > > > All this info can be seen in Norman Mueller's Glenford Stone Fort
      > > and other Stone Constructions in Ohio and Beyond. From the History of
      > > > Perry County Ohio 1902 is a description of the Adena stone hilltop
      > > enclosure and stone burial mound. "Archeologists from all over the
      > land have
      > > > > visited here and the consensus of opinion is that the Glenford
      > site
      > > is> one of the most wonderful of fortifications....it is a fraction
      > over
      > > > 27 acres. It is made entirely of stone." Also from Gerard Fowke's
      > > > > Antiquities of MO. 1902 pg 65, "So far as the ability to work in
      > > stone is concerned, some stone chambers which exist in Pike County MO.
      > > have been mentioned as examples of the skill of the Mound Builders in
      > > this respect." Fowkes work is widely known and published in
      > Smithsonian
      > > > > Ethnology Reports. There is complete consensus within mainstream
      > > > > archaeology that the Mound Builders built many structures of
      > stone.
      > > > > Looks like you might have to vet your experts a little better. 3.
      > To
      > > > > state to me that you cannot carbon date stone is insulting ,
      > clearly
      > > > > only organic material such as charcoal and bone fragments can be
      > > > > carbon dated. I in fact read a report in my talk from highly
      > respected and
      > > > > award winning Geochrom labs in Massachusetts about the Mystery
      > Hill
      > > > > site in New Hampshire. May 30th 1966 sample # GX-1608 submitted by
      > Robert
      > > > > Stone as given by Archaeologist Jim Whitall. Harold W. Kruger
      > > > > technical director of Geochron states "you have found something
      > very
      > > interesting from this site with a rather old date of 2995 B.P." Kruger
      > states
      > > that there is a quite an adequate amount of material for dating. Date
      > was
      > > > > 2995 B.P. +/- 180 C-14 years. Whitall also excavated carbon
      > remains
      > > > from the Putney VT. stone chamber that yielded a date of 492 A.D.
      > and
      > > > > excavated one of the oldest burial mound sites in the country, the
      > > > > Morrill Point site in Salisbury Ma. He found three human skeletons
      > > and artifacts as well as conclusively proving a stone wall at the site
      > > > > through carbon dating of layers of organic material is at least
      > 900
      > > > > years old. The Maritime Archaic site at Morrill Point proved to be
      > > > 7500 years old and before Mr. Whitall passed away he was joined by
      > Dr.
      > > > Bruce Bourque and the highly regarded Dr. William Fitzhugh of the
      > > > Smithsonian to make sure he received credit for his amazing
      > discovery. The
      > > L'Anse Amour stone burial mound in Labrador was expertly dated and
      > > > universally recognized as being built 7500 years ago proving that
      > stonework in
      > > the northeast goes back at least this far. All this information is
      > > readily available for anyone to see. I know a story about a bit of
      > > > > pseudoscience. How about the Clovis Barrier, the crowning
      > > achievement of Archaeology, rammed down our throat for 70 years now
      > proven
      > > > > incontrovertibly false. If you questioned this for years you were
      > > > > considered a crank and a fool. Do you think a possible revaluation
      > > > > of other theories that are riddled with unexplained anomalies may
      > > happen soon. The only thing I ask for a fair and open discussion of
      > > anomalies but the system always demonizes the one who points these
      > out,
      > > engages in personal attacks and a misdirection away from the evidence.
      > Does
      > > > anyone have Galileo's email address?4. I stated that some
      > researchers
      > > believe that the mound builder culture that started in Watson Brake
      > La. in
      > > > > roughly 3400 B.C. may have been influenced by contact with
      > societies
      > > > in the Yucatan or actual migrations northward by members of that
      > > > > civilization. In fact there is conclusive proof of trade routes
      > > > covering thousands of miles in Ancient America as evidence from
      > artifact
      > > finds at Hopewell sites in Illinois. Mississippian era earthen pyramid
      > temple
      > > > > building clearly resembles Mesoamerican stone pyramids and huge
      > > plazas such as the one at Cahokia make it perfectly reasonable to
      > assume a
      > > > > possible, more southerly influence at some time. The geometry and
      > > > > astronomical orientations of the Mound Builders are widely
      > accepted-
      > > > see Bradley Leper the curator of Archaeology at the Ohio Historical
      > > > > Societies work and Lively and Horn's research on the Newark
      > Octagon.5
      > > > I, along with many other researchers who have written books on this
      > > > > matter have collected thousands of accounts in town histories, NYT
      > > > > articles, the Smithsonian's Ethnology reports, Scientific American
      > > and American Antiquarian of giant skeletal remains being discovered.
      > > Many of these with anatomic anomalies such as double rows of teeth.
      > This
      > > > occurs not just in 1840 but through decades of time and across
      > thousands of
      > > > > miles. The discoveries continued throughout the 1920's, 30's, 40's
      > > and into the 60's. Don Dragoo was directly affiliated with the
      > Carnegie
      > > > > museum of Natural History from the years 1952-1977. He is
      > considered
      > > > the last of the great Adena scholars and by the end of his career
      > was
      > > > named curator of the Carnegie's Section of Anthropology. The
      > following is
      > > a quote from his Mounds for the Dead. "Two outstanding traits have
      > > been noted repeatedly for this group. One is the protruding and
      > massive
      > > > chin often with prominent bilateral protrusions. (Webb and Snow,
      > 1959 pg.
      > > > > 37). The second is the large size of many of the males and some of
      > > the females. A male of six feet was common and some individuals
      > > > approaching seven feet have been found. Not only were these Adena
      > people tall
      > > but the massiveness of the bones indicates powerfully built
      > individuals.
      > > > The head was generally big with a large cranial capacity." Warren K.
      > > > > Morehead the " Dean of American Archaeology" unearthed giant
      > > skeletons in Illinois, Connecticut and Pennsylvania. I showed accounts
      > of all
      > > > > three in my presentation. At Tioga Point Pennsylvania. he
      > uncovered
      > > 68 skeletons averaging over 7 feet with many much larger, specimens
      > > were sent to the American Investigating Museum where they were later
      > > > reported stolen. Ralph Glidden working for the Heye Foundation
      > unearthed
      > > 3,781 skeletons averaging 7 feet with the largest 9 foot 2 inches on
      > > > Catalina Island CA. I have numerous pictures of these finds
      > including a
      > > picture from the Santa Barbara museum in 1959 of these giant skeleton
      > finds.
      > > > > This is not a case of gigantism, countless accounts speak of
      > dozens
      > > of skeletons being uncovered, often with bizarre anatomic anomalies.
      > > Alex Hrdlicka, the first head of the Smithsonian Division of
      > Anthropology
      > > > > starting in 1903 closed the door on the matter of giant skeletal
      > > finds being reported. He guided the Smithsonian to attack and
      > marginalize
      > > > all this information but he could not erase the Smithsonian's own
      > > > Ethnology reports so he claimed that "giants are no more" and that
      > an
      > > inability to measure correctly and understand human anatomy properly
      > was the
      > > reason why these things were previously reported. Hrdlicka believed in
      > > > Pre-Nazi eugenics, thought no civilization existed in America before
      > 4000
      > > years ago and zealously attacked and intimidated anyone who challenged
      > > these ideas- calling Louis Leaky a heretic to his face and destroying
      > the
      > > > > career of Warren K. Morehead. Hrdlicka is quoted in the Science
      > News
      > > > > Letter v13 #353 1928 p21 as claiming "the greatest danger before
      > the
      > > > > American people is the blending of the Negro tenth of the
      > population
      > > > > into the superior blood of the white race." In 1937 he published
      > > > > findings in his Journal of Physical Anthropology to "prove that
      > the
      > > > > negro race is phylogenetically a closer approach to primitive man
      > > than the white race." And just for good measure in 1927 endorsed
      > findings
      > > > > comparing African babies with young apes. Before Hrdlicka's reign
      > > > there were no denials of giant skeleton finds. Hrdlicka along with
      > many of
      > > > his white supremacist colleagues at the Institution purged new
      > evidence
      > > > and marginalized and intimidated all who stood in the way of
      > portraying
      > > > the races of Ancient America as anything other than unsophisticated.
      > > > Through cranial measurement Hrdlicka concluded that Native Americans
      > along
      > > > with African Americans were inferior to the white race. As geologist
      > Kirk
      > > > > Bryan told his students during the reign of Hrdrickla "if you ever
      > > > find evidence of human life in a context which is ancient, bury it
      > > > carefully but do not forget about it."(from The First American: A
      > study of
      > > North American Archaeology 1971.) Anthropologists and Archaeologists
      > do
      > > not recognize this phenomena, they are reading texts and scientific
      > > > journals that have been censored of these accounts. Professionals
      > read over
      > > and over again about normal sized accounts and rightfully think the
      > > whole thing is preposterous. I never claimed that all the Mound
      > Builders
      > > > were giants or that they were the architects of the mounds. I am
      > simply
      > > > > stating that there were thousands of giant skeletal remains
      > > uncovered in Ancient America oftentimes in the burial mounds such as
      > the Grave
      > > > Creek mound in WV. From the Charleston Daily Mail October 22nd 1922,
      > > > > "Archaeologists investigating the mound dug out a skeleton of a
      > > > female. The skeleton was 7 foot 4 inches tall and the jawbone would
      > easily
      > > fit over the face of a man weighing 160 pounds. An 8 foot male
      > skeleton
      > > > was also found." Once again, this strange anatomic anomaly of a
      > massive
      > > > > jawbone like I found throughout the town histories of New
      > England.6
      > > I believe response 5 also answers 6, I will say however you mention
      > > > > redditskeptic as a source of your investigation. The site
      > > specializes in a series of ad hominem attacks, bad faith arguments,
      > invisible
      > > battles with straw men and personal insults. Essentially an endless
      > stream
      > > of infantile drivel, it is not a place for objective and open-minded
      > > > > evaluation of evidence by anyone's standards. They continually
      > > assail Deepak Chopra for scientifically unproven theories such as the
      > > reality of "Chakras". By your new standards I suppose you will have to
      > take
      > > > down his talks also, he certainly endorses theories determined
      > > > > pseudoscientific by professionals.7 Bones crumbling to dust is
      > > > something to be found over and over again in the historical
      > literature
      > > including the Smithsonian's own Ethnology reports. I was reaching for
      > words
      > > such as mummification or preservation trying to theorize why some
      > bones
      > > > > crumbled to dust and others didn't. I was just trying to share
      > that
      > > > many remains were measured, examined often determined to have
      > strange
      > > > > anatomic anomalies before they crumbled to dust, some but by no
      > > means all.8 Did the expert who visited the Smithsonian's museums
      > support
      > > > > center happen to make it over to the David H. Koch's Hall of Human
      > > > > Origins permanent installation, where an interactive game tells us
      > > > that in the future humans may adapt to climate change by "building
      > > > > underground cities, growing short compact bodies with curved
      > spines
      > > to better move around in tight spaces." I am not talking about
      > mermaids
      > > > and Barnum and Bailey hoaxes, were there over one hundred mermaid
      > > accounts from leading scientists of the time published in the New York
      > Times?
      > > I am talking about thousands of accounts from the likes of Moorehead,
      > > > > Webb, Dragoo, Norris, other Anthropologists, Archaeologists,
      > > > Professors, Doctors, Chief Justices and ordinary citizens. They were
      > reporting
      > > > what they saw before their own eyes not a discussion of their
      > religious
      > > and political beliefs. How do you tell someone who puts a skull over
      > > their head, fits a jawbone over their face or reports double rows of
      > teeth
      > > > > that they don't understand human anatomy? Your reasons for pulling
      > > my video are an attempt to portray me as an unsophisticated amateur
      > > that was taken in by some grand hoax. What I did was read through a
      > > series of town history, Smithsonian Ethnology and NYT reports. I was
      > not
      > > > > advocating a tricky, dangerous and unproven health cure but just
      > > > trying to share interesting information from the leading and most
      > respected
      > > > > Scientific Journals and sources of the time. Any disinterested
      > > > teenager can assemble a hundred of these accounts over a weekend
      > with the
      > > help of Google books. I have a large number of accounts that state
      > that the
      > > > > Smithsonian in fact received many of these giant skeletal remains.
      > > So, why again was my video taken down? The bottom line is that I guess
      > > > this is not an idea worth sharing because it reveals corruption and
      > > > cover-ups at an institution whose misguided actions are open for
      > anyone to see
      > > > > with a little historical detective work. Not wanting to speak with
      > > me or allow me to debate these reasons before removing the video is
      > very
      > > > > troubling. I would hope you would do me the professional courtesy
      > of
      > > > > whenever or wherever you list the reasons my talk was taken down
      > you
      > > > > also allow people to see my response. "When a well packaged web of
      > > > lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the
      > truth
      > > will seem utterly preposterous and it's speaker a raving lunatic."
      > > Dresden James. Thank you,James E. Vieira"
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stone-Builders-Mound-Builders-and-the-Gian\
      > ts-of-Ancient-America/556606251021542?ref=stream
      > > > >
      > > > > Susan English -- sent from my iPad
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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