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Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Fwd: [thor-thehuntersohiorock] Re: [AncientVikingsAmerica] River Routes clarifications

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  • Chris Patenaude
    Hello Erik and Ted! ummm... like... might i throw a sabot into the gears, here... As fascinating as this is to try and identify landmarks, you might need to
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 28, 2010
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      Hello Erik and Ted!

      ummm... like... might i throw a sabot into the gears, here...

      As fascinating as this is to try and identify landmarks, you might need to lay the "map" back down on the table and turn it 180 degrees. I sent these two pictures to my Midewiwin Elder contact in Canada. Black Bear pointed out that the scrolls you are looking at are diagrams of specific Medicine Lodge ceremonial proceedings... the path the Initiate takes in order to learn about specific phases of traditional learning.

      If you look at the one scroll, you can see the four chambers, each containing pipes, one in the first, two in the second, three in the third and four in the last one before the Initiate steps out into the rest of their Life journey. This was a teaching scroll to explain the four cardinal directions, and also show progressive levels of ability the trainee needed to attain (memorization of oral histories, levels of herbal or hands-on doctoring, abilities in ESP farsight, introductions to learning how to forecast or influence weather patterns etc.) in order to 'pass the exams' and go up another grade, in their education system. The four sacred directions, a new Pipe for each, were not a place you faced, but a frame of mind, one that held a whole library of information to understand for each 'door' you passed thru.

      The other map you've labeled upside down. Turn it around, you can see the Deer Spirit at one 'gate' acting as a guide. At other 'gates' and test points, you can see Otter Spirits, occuring in pairs, guarding the pathway against any chaos or unpure elements that might wish to disrupt the proper way of things. (Otters can be very fierce, not cute, cuddly things.) Medicine bags were often made of Otter skin because they were such good protection against bad-stuff... psychic lead-lining to one's "tools of the trade" against outside radiation of any unpure energies.

      So i hope to let you down easy, but the Native diagrams are not land maps, but psychological maps of the mind.

      Be well,

      --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...> wrote:

      From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
      Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fwd: [thor-thehuntersohiorock] Re: [AncientVikingsAmerica] River Routes clarifications
      To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:22 PM

      Anyone been on this route of rivers with personal experience.  I have been sailing on Lake  Nippigon, and I have driven down the road along side the river and the series of waterfalls to Lake Superior.  Lots of rocks in that water when you get near shore, and most are under water a few feet.   Huge cliffs on the East side that people like to repel down.  

      North to Hudson Bay may be possible.


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      From: william smith <wmsmithrock1@...>
      Date: January 27, 2010 1:42:25 PM CST
      Subject: [thor-thehuntersohiorock] Re: [AncientVikingsAmerica] River Routes clarifications

      Hi Erik
        I somewhat agree with your rout, however the great lakes can not be ruled out due to the mooring stone holes in the St. Larance River. Do you know of a photo of the ( The Beardsmore OntarioViking sword ) If it has the coat of arms shield it may be Portuguese. I am not convinced the date on the KRS is 1362. I feel it could be 1472 just as easy if you look at the runs and the possible miss translation of the 4 and 6.

      From: Erik Rurikson <erikrurikson@ yahoo.com>
      To: AncientVikingsAmeri ca@yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:27:11 AM
      Subject: [AncientVikingsAmer ica] River Routes clarifications


      After consulting my maps, i see i got a couple river names wrong, but my idea is solid.

      It is the Albany River, at whose mouth the Brits and Hudson Bay Company built Fort Albany, in James Bay at the southern end of Hudson Bay, that provides several shorter routes to Lake Superior (and thus, on to Minnesota and the head waters of the Mississippi) with broad rivers and easy portages. Starting from the most southerly reach of salt water due north of the Great lakes, the Albay River provides the best way to reach less frozen climes.

      One southern tributary of the Albany takes the traveler to Lake Nippigon (that round crater lake above Lake Superior) without any portaging at all. Nippigon's southern shore drains down a short river right into Superior. The Beardsmore Ontario Viking sword and throwinf axe was found very near the south-east shore of Lake Nippigon. Just check the maps and you will see plenty of alternative routes for a 10 to 30 man boat.

      The Ottawa River actually splits off from the St. Lawrence by Montreal many miles before your reach Lake Ontario. It then runs west past Canada's capitol city and deep into the Sudbury region with several tributaries linking, via easy portgaes, to rivers running into Georgian Bay and thus, Lake Huron.

      The Lake Winnepeg / Red River is a fine route, but not the quickest, nor easiest.

      There are MANY ways for Vinlanders to reach the Upper Great Lakes and great Northern Woods of Wisconsin/Minnesota . Surely they used them all.


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