Re: [ancient_waterways_society] loaner books, DVD's; last weekend's AAPS conference
- Susan, thanks for the update on your wonderful work and generosity to the world at large.The note at the very bottom of your send was from Ted Sjoka, not myself. He has the books. If I had them, they'd have to be pried out of my fingers, lol. Not really, but so my soul wishes i could get more time in my own life to do what i wished so readily. Blessings on your quest and life-missions.Be well,-chris
--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Susan <beldingenglish@...> wrote:
From: Susan <beldingenglish@...>
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] loaner books, DVD's; last weekend's AAPS conference
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 1:13 PMTed, Chris, All,Re: your last note. When I first sent out the books and DVD's I mentioned needing the 6-set Atlantic Conference DVD's and Pennington tapes (Marion Dahm & The Mound Builders) returned by the first week in August to show to small groups at the annual "Peoples Festival" (August 7, 8, 9) at Prospectors Paradise Rock Shop in Allouez, Michigan. Chris, after that and possibly the AAPS Fall Conference in Marquette September 24-27th coming up, if you and others are interested, I'd be glad to re-send the AC-Halifax DVD's, Pennington Moundbuilders tape, and anything else on the list.A few who regularly attend or have booths set up at the Peoples Festival, held annually second weekend in August in the Keweenaw Peninsula are also interested in ancient cultures. The site of the festival sits atop what many refer to as an "energy vortex". Visible signs of such possiblities are the many clusters of evergreen shrubs and trees which varyingly twist, gnarl, and show many kinds of strangeness within the growth, bark, etc. None of the professors and scientists I have chance-encountered atop this obvious ancient sacred place the past fifteen years or so have an explanation for the anomalies. The site was very much disturbed before the owners and anyone else realized its apparently profound importance as an ancient, sacred site, thus no longer suitable for scientific testing or dating. But many with metaphysical leanings and interest in ancient sites frequent the high sacred grounds and treat the lands and ancients who dwelled there with great reverence.Several years perhaps a dozen Native American silversmiths and artesians had set up camp at the far back of the properties during the Peoples Festival. I joined them for food and talk around their campfire, mostly listened. Though they fondly poked a bit of fun at the continual )accent on the first beat) pum......pum-pum-pum drum beat inherent within all New Age dumming circles, which continues steadily throughout weekend evenings, it seemed they felt the ancient descendents buried near there who frequented the sacred site would not mind we well-intended visitors who pay our respects there, seek health and healing alternatives at the 'energy vortex', and heed reverence toward Nature, the lands' ancestors, and the ancient past and human beginnings we all have in common, worldwide.Several Native American healers and artists participating in the 3-4 day Peoples Festivals last year lead evening ceremonies and will enjoy The Moundbuilders DVD Lee and Joy Pennington produced. So too will other attendees and participants which I will show to small groups upon request during the weekend.. JoLeProductions has a DVD tribute to Marion Dahm many will appreciate; Marion for years gave demonstrations on dowsing at the Festival.During Friday's presentations in Houghton, Lee showed the highly moving DVD "Let Me Not Drown on the Waters: Fred Rydholm Michigan's "Mr. Copper". Thanks to the Penningtons, I now have copies on loan of the above, plus all their DVD's that I'd not previously purchased. So....if I ever visit any of you for an event in your state or region of the world, remind me to bring the tapes along to play. I am always honored, too, to set up the background for an informal Ancient Waterways Society gathering, if given a few days notice. Judy Johnson, her husband Glenn and the AAPS board did a wonderful job of setting up and taking care of us during the conference last week. I'd not joined their activities since the conference in Ohio a couple of years ago and am hoping to find a way to camp out in Marquette so as to attend the fall conference.Flea marketing is not going well with the economy as it is, my nursing assignment is over with no new work available, I am living solely on social security retirement and have to tighten my belt, i.e., send my books, tapes via Media Mail, which only takes a day or two longer. But I can certainly always 'afford' to have people here overnight as guests, especially researchers passing through Central Wisconsin on US 39/51. And there is always plenty of wholesome food for my family, friends, even people I have not met before. Especially since I exchange farm work for vegetables and sometimes eggs, free running chickens and beef at the Stoney Acres CSA farm on Wednesdays. It costs me less to make a large kettle of good stew or pot roast from my kitchen or campfire which can serve 15-20 people than it does the cost for one dinner w/tip at Applebees. After eating out and credit carding meals and lodging for three days at the AAPS conference, I need to drastically simplify if I am going to continue my travels and conferences with diffusionists. There are many more people like me who might be able to participate in conferences and mini gatherings if camping or couch space and communal/pot luck meals are made available. More importantly than financial reasons, to me, is that I believe the sharing of communal meals, gathering and cooking together, eating outside, talks under the stars around campfires, etc. attunes one to thinking, intercommunicating, and sharing more as ancient peoples along waterway travel routes across the world did for countless millinnea.Providing such options in liason with the other more comfortable general conference arrangments makes it possible for people from all walks of life and income brackets to be part of these group activities and explorations into our ancient human past. I personally believe the sharing meals, communal gatherings as close to the wilds of Nature as possible also pulls us a bit from the constraints and biases inherent within the comforts of our modern, materialist culture(s). Helps us think and engage with each other more clearly and intimately. And within the "Indian time" some of my friends along ancient waters and virgin timbers near Lake Michigan keep urging me to engage in more frequently.More on the fine AAPS conference next post, soon as I unpack the car, do laundry, etc. The thirty or so attending besides the Penningtons, Monette, myself, were Margaret from Chicago, Charles and a friend drove over Saturday from Duluth. People came from as far as California, Vermont, Kentucky, Arizona for the mini confernece. David Hoffman gave an informative talk amd said he still needs to join our group. I hope he does since all of his talks are about old or ancient waterways, he travels a lot and has a lot to say.The Penningtons were still in Copper Harbor when I left yesterday. If, aside from their beloved Kentucky, Nova Scotia is their 'second home', I'd bet Lake Superior ancient lands and waterways is their third.Thanks again to newest Ancient Waterways Society member, Monette Bebow-Reinhard for her earlier posts to our site and wonderful talk at the conference. I will not reinterate, as do a poor job of restating the words and meanings of others. Monette, are you able to send the link or photo to the group the topigraphical map of the Old Copper Culture site/Octonto River/Lake Michigan that you emailed a couple of weeks ago? I saw it up on the screen during your presentation. I do not know how to insert Photos, Files at the web site but host MinnesotaStan, Vince, Ted, and very likely Herb Wagner would. It is my hope that the rest of the members of this global Ancient Waterways Society (as Steve St. Clair did in his excellent Atlantic Conference update to the group last week), will share further your research, insights, wisdom, collaborations, and details of related upcoming events from other groups you engage in with us here.Exemplifying dedication she places in her work, hours after she arrived home from Copenhagen and Paris, Monette hopped in her car to make the several hour drive to Houghton and gave her fine slide show presentation Friday evening. Saturday morning she was off to Brule (or the Brule River) was next on her Copper Culture Museum agenda.I am re-inserting here the Wisconsin Public Radio interview from a post Herb sent last May. Ted and others who have been corresponding with or following Monette's efforts for some time, are happy she joined our membership.. Soon as I can schedule a tour in Oconto, I plan on becoming a member of the Octonto Copper Culture Museum and doing occasional volunteer work on the physical structure or gardens there. Member Margaret Lutz was a member well before she met Monette at last weekend;s Houghton confernence.
Jim Packard in for Larry Meiller - 090520G
Did you know the oldest cemetery in Wisconsin is at the Copper Culture State Park in Oconto? After eleven-forty five, Jim Packard talks about the park, it's importance, and its museum with curator Monette Bebow-Reinhard, and UW Baraboo Sauk County Dean Thomas Pleger (PLAY-gher). grimm1@...
ListenMoments ago I received a call from Jim Scherz that he will be driving here to Wausau for a few hours this evening, asking that we meet for dinner somewhere when I can get a wireless. He is heading for California and Colorado this week, thus unable to visit the incredible ancient stone site in Houghton that I heard Myron Paine, Lee Pennington and others remark that Barry Fell would have found astounding. The site is protected by the landowner, AAPS board member Bob Wheeler, who discovered it about four years ago and just began sharing with the public. He is a surveyor by profession with the Dept. of Natural Resources, and more than willing to show the site to anyone who contacts him to make an appointment. Bob might even be interested in joining our Ancient Waterways Society to keep us posted on this site. He is just forming his own petroglyphs society (I am one of its frist members) which will be focussed on research and preservation of the obviously very old site.Since discovereing the high ground deep inscriptions in stone, Bob has left the site undisturbed until archaeologists can further explore it. So far had not found much interest. I noted within the nearby stream several feet away possible human stoneworkings along one bank. Bob Wheeler believes the deep, smooth inscriptions were made by stone tools, That and the aboriginal mines/pits throughout the Copper Country of Michigan, Canada, Wisconsin, and possibly Minnesota hopefully povide pristine evidence of the common, probably relatively amicable exchange of trade goods and culture amongst very ancient diverse groups of explorers, copper culture miners, and traders who navigated the continent's waterways.Here I wish to insert a brief quote which I read to Bob Wheeler at lunch at the Mariner yesterday written in an email to me soon after Monette joined our group, and a few days before she was to meet and speak before the AAPS conference. I know Martin Carriere will appreciate this, I feel shares similar sentiments (with Monette's permission):...Oh, I love the idea of being in touch with other people doing research. And if I could explain in July that I agree that people could be migrating here in a fairly consistent pattern ages before Columbus (new meaning for B.C.), but that they would have been absorbed into the general native population without making any significant changes to same, I think convergence could happen between popular and scientific thought.Thanks all,SuzM. Susan English
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"The ancient scientific and spiritual wisdom that has shaped our past and still influences our future is part of a forgotten and often hidden system that reaches back beyond the current established religions, further than Ancient Egypt into an age where Mankind lived in harmony with Nature."Crichton Miller (UK) from his book The Golden Thread of Time
--- In email@example.com, Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Chris Patenaude wrote:
> I will send you a list of the titles and the videos I am sending back
> to Suzan as she wants them for some upcoming conference. they are all
> her books, but Vince put in a copy of his History of Monks Mound with
> lots of photos that he had made up with his research.