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Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

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  • Sunil Bhattacharjya
    ha ha ha. Go on with your rhetorics. Could you find the tithi of the start of the Mahabharata war according to mahaguru Dr. Achar? Just send a mail to him and
    Message 1 of 25 , Aug 5 8:10 PM
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      ha ha ha. Go on with your rhetorics. Could you find the tithi of the start of the Mahabharata war according to mahaguru Dr. Achar? Just send a mail to him and ask him. Also ask him if he still stands by it. If you think 3139 BCE is not the date of the Mahabharata war, try to prove it. 

      I have not forgot what Sathaye requested me for and what I taught him.  Mind that he wrote me first with request. He is intelligent and he is not a dullard like you. He thanked me at the end and he is not an ungrateful man like you. I know that you tried to provoke Sathaye against me but he is intelligent to see your dirty game and he did not listen to you. You only got a kick from Sathaye.

      As regards the Mahabharata war I have given enough evidence for one to understand that Dr. Achar;s date is wrong. "Samajdaroke liye isharahi kafi hai". The three consecutive eclipses in 3139 BCE, including an eclipse with a 13-day eclipse pair was found by me and also I found the correct tithi of the demise of Bhishma which confused most of the scholars of the 20th and 21st century.  

      So you are left with the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war and that is your misfortune and not mine.



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
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      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:47 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


      Can you see the repeat of the pattern?

      First a boast : I know blah blah blah

      Second some one says prove it

      Third Sunil runs away like a ....

      Forgot Sathaye and other discussions in numerous forum?

      Essentially you know nothing. And no believes  that including Achar that you have any capability to prove anyone wrong.

      The fact that you cant even give supporting evidence for your claim that tithis are wrong is self explanatory to everyone.

      Keep dreaming!!




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:59 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      ha ha ha. I am interested in the truth.  You have not read and understood yourself Achar's paper. I don't want to educate a dullard like you. Achar knows that I do not agree with his tithis and he also knows why and he has no answer to that.

      Ha ha ha prove that Achar's Date of 3067 is right when his eclipses are wrong and his tithis are wrong and when he finds a date of the Mahabharata war after lord Krishna passed away. Anybody who believes in the date of the Mahabharata war must be a dullard like you.



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:36 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Sunil,
           Have you lost it completely? I have asked you a direct question to give evidence that the tithi used by Dr Achar is wrong.

           Instead of answering that you are asking me to ask Dr Achar.

           If this is not running away from answering the question what is? Basically you do not know what you do not know what you are talking about.

           You never answer a direct question. QED.

            Proof complete that you run away like you are doing now.

      Shivraj




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 2:15 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      ha ha ha. Shivraj,

      Even if you take hundred births you will not be prove that Dr. Achar'a date of 3067 BCE to be correct. BTW, have you asked Dr. Achar about the tithis related to the day of start of the Mahabharata war?

      SKB



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:38 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


      Dear Sunil,
          You are showing your ignorance of Dr Achar's work more and more. In his paper Dr Achar has a whole section on Delta T and how it's incorrect/correct value impacts dates of eclipses.

         Please acquaint yourself with the work of Dr Achar because you have clearly shown you don't understand what has been written by him and yet you are criticising him! Height of dishonesty!

      Hope this helps.

      Shivraj




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:46 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Dear Shivraj,

      Good, you learnt fast to give reference.
      1)
      I see that you are still living in the year 1986.
      2)
      Further how do you think Achar did the right Delta-T correction and Dieter  did not ?

      Sunil KB


      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:19 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Dear Sunil,

           You are supposed to do a bit more effort then this. Anyway here is the citation:

      IERS Rapid Service/Prediction Center (c. 1986). Historic Delta T and LOD. Source attributed data to McCarthy and Babcock (1986).

      Shivraj

      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:32 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Shivraj,

      The url sent by you does not give any citation, yet you consider it reliable. How strange? Is that how you search for literature?

      Sincerely,
      SKB


      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Sunil,
          Have you not understood the last email? Kaul and Koch are wrong! They used wrong Delta T in pontificating Dr Achar is wrong.

         Since K and K are so obviously wrong why should Dr Achar waste his time in responding to every joker?

         My advice start with this graph:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Delta_T.jpg

      Regards,
      Shivraj




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:34 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Namaste,

      The year 3067 BCE is not correct, for a number of reasons and the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 are also not the ones mentioned in the Mahabharata. Because of Dr. Achar's silence his supporters are going overboard to attack those who oppose Dr. Achar's date. That is why for the sake of the truth one has necessarily to probe into the cause of Dr. Achar's silence.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB


      From: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:46 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


          I don't want to rush in where angels fear to tread, but there is other evidence suggesting that the MB War took place between 3200 BCE and 3000 BCE. I am not prepared to be more precise than that though Srinivasraghavan's calculated date (3067 BCE) confirmed by Narahari Achar falls inside that. But astronomy alone cannot be used as the arbiter. Both observations and interpretations are open to error, especially at a time when there no precise scientific instruments.

          Details can be found in my book Search for the Historical Krishna. 

          As a senior person I am distressed by personal attacks. Let us stick to our arguments but maintain civility in exchanges.

      N.S. Rajaram    


      On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...> wrote:
      Dear Shivraj,

      If anybody else with common sense would have been at your place the first thing that person  would have done was to ask Professor Achar as to what he has to say about the criticism of the date of the Mahabharata war in 3067 BCE, as was pointed out by Dieter Koch and Avatar Kishen Kaul. Your reluctance shows whether you are really interested in facts or not.  Now I am sure Prof. Achar has realized his mistake but he is not willing to withdraw that date as his researches were sponsored and he got paid for the research.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB

      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
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      Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 10:09 PM
      Subject: Re: [Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.


      Dear Sunil,
          It is usually a good practice to steer away from commenting on things that you do not know. Otherwise people may think you are a fool.

         Since Kaul has convinced you maybe you know more then all scientists put together as to what forces influence the earth's rotation and what value of delta T should be used. Just a not no scientist can predict, even going forward in time, how the speed of earth's rotation will change.

      Hope this helps,
      Shivraj

      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
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      Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34 AM
      Subject: Re: [Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.

      Dear Shivaraj,

      You may not be aware that Mr. Kaul had already showed that the consecutive triple eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. So it is upto Prof. Achar to contest the views of Mr. Kaul.

      Though Mr. Kaul has always been hostile to me I still support him (Mr. Kaul) for the sake of the truth so far as Prof. Achar's date of the Mahabharata war is concerned. May be Prof. Achar is afraid that if he withdraws his date the people like you, Srinandan and others (who blindly support his date) will be totally heart-broken.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB


      From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>; "litsol@..." <litsol@...>
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      Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:36 AM
      Subject: Re:[Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.

       
      ( Slightly edited version .... )
       
      Shivaraj Ji,
       
      As far as, drawing of astronomical map of 3000 BCE era goes, a wrong map could easily be drawn by anybody without citing the complexities and gaps in logic involved, anybody who is not a sincere qualified scientist can draw such a wrong map using available softwares.
       
      This Kaul and group, is not aware of "Paul Lerner" and therefore not included him in his list of agnosticism, "Paul Lerner" is a graduate of Cambridge university and now a faculty, who did write a book "Astrological Key in Mahabharata" and tried establishing that Mahabharata war is merely a symbolization of Spring Equinox falling to Asvini-Chitra axis, there was no actual war, Paul identifies, Yudhisthir, the eldest of Pandavas with Ajameedha and relates that with zoidical sign of Aries ( Aja), and thereby, "Paul Lerner" establishes knowledge of Signs existing in Indian land, But, another aspect of Paul Lerner’s so called research is absolutely trash that there was no happening of Mahabharata war, we find there are variety of people with their level of intellect and agenda.
       
      The debate has already established that Greeks were not knowing anything specific either about Zodiacal - Signs or about Zodiacal - Nakshtras as listed in Atharva Veda ( Nakshtra Sukta, 19'th chapter)  with explicit reference to Moon's path, Kaul being perfect ignorant and a copy cat, never knew about Moon's path in the Nakshtra Sukta, those guys are also running away from having a debate on their anti vedic panchanga, this is their level.
       
      "Paul Lerner" underlines that epic relates to the appearance of constellation of  Canis Major, particularly Sirius, that’s a star of southern hemisphere and was also visible at plane of India-Egypt  but never from Europe or Greece particularly.
       
      So far as ascertaining the timing of Mahabhrata is concerned, Dwaraka excavations provide archaeological inputs, the oldest reference to Mahabharata is found in Griha Sutras, such as Asvalayana Griha Sutra's 3rd adhyaha that cites Mahabharata and enlists Mahabharata age sages, next comes Patanjali who also cites Mahabharata heroes, Asvalayana also gives same astronomical  pointers of watching Shaptarshi and Arundhati stars at the time of marriage by just married couple in the beginning of evening, that's calculated by Tilak, Jacobi and arrived at, to be a phenomena of  2000 BCE to 2300 BCE, this period is ratified by number of astronomers without exceptions, Thus, Asvalayana, Apastmba grihasutras relates to era 2000 BCE to 2500 BCE and Therefore, we are clear that Mahabharata didn't war happen after 2000 BCE, Coincidently, one of the opponents of Mahabharata's occurrence with the beginning of Kaliyuga i.e before 2000 BCE, The well known, RN Iyngar too excites and supports Shaptarshi-Arunndhati phenomena of that antiquity and makes a contradiction to his own argument against Aryabhatta's citation and so many others for Kaliyuga age and latest dating of Mahabharata by Prof Narhari Achar..
       
      However, Prof Narhari Achar's absence from the debate is another angle, He should be able to defend his proposition himself, His absence shows he doesn’t have much confidence in his research.
       
      Regards,
      Lalit Mishra

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    • Sunil Bhattacharjya
      Shivraj, ha ha ha I pity you. ________________________________ From: shivraj singh To: Sunil Bhattacharjya
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        Shivraj,

        ha ha ha I pity you.


        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:56 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence



        Your "current software" has wrong delta T. No software can have the correct delta T.

        Your work, to use the modern terminology, is garbage in garbage out.

        Any moron who says Krishna is wrong about Kaliyuga in Shalya Parva 9.59.21 because of some Delta T dependent latest software needs to get their head examined.

        And you call yourself a Hindu?

        Shame on you.








        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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        Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:10 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Shivraj,

        I am depending on software which uses more recent data than what prof. Achar used. Which astronomical dating have you done yourself.  Dr. Achar was wrong in dating the Mahabharata war but he at least worked on it. What about you ? You are trying to bask in the false glory of Dr. Achar. Shame Shame Shame.

        SKB

        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:53 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        I am not changing the stance. You cant predict using the current delta T whether an eclipse is penumbral or not.

        Means there is no point arguing about it anymore. It is well established. But alas bhains ke aage been bajane se koi fayeda nahin.

        Shivraj



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 11:46 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear friends,

        ha ha ha. Please see for yourself that turncoat Shivraj is changing his stance now and is writing : "Leave eclipses for now and focus on a) - - - - - "
        He wants to leave the issue of the eclipses now, as his attack got a bashing.

        He wants Dr. Achar's other data to be contested. But he conveniently forgets to ask Dr. Achar about the tithi of the day of the start of the Mahabharata war and the tithi on the death of Bhishma. He has no real interest in the date of the Mahabharata war. He wants only to create nuisance.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB



        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
        Cc: "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:26 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


        What a dishonest and misrepresenting NASA drivel Dieterji!

        Let me highlight the line of essence:

        "Unfortunately, estimating the standard error in ΔT prior to 1600 CE is a difficult problem."

        Read this as an unsolved problem. Rest all they write are estimates with no verification or tests performed on them.

        Underlying reasons which you know are true and will not acknowledge is that change in speed of earth's rotation is not understood. Consequently delta cannot be estimated correctly for times  of interest to this debate.

        You could use Swiss or any other ephemeris and can get a badge from any or all of Sunil's put together but it won't change the simple fact that these delta T numbers are not reliable to predict if the eclipses of Mahbharata were penumbral or not.

        For once try and have your alter ego also be reasonable or shall we say logical.

        Your camp has not disputed the number of eclipses mentioned in the period of interest.

        Now a logical human being who really wants to true science and not bogus waste of everyone's time would do this:

        a) Since Achar has a series of observations from the time of arrival of Krishna in Hastinapur to the death of Bhishma why don't you and your alter ego try and take these dates apart?

        b) Leave eclipses for now and focus on a) . 

        If you want majority of dates in a) do not match with Dr Achar says then we are going somewhere.

        Are you ready to take this challenge or ....

        Best wishes,
        Shivraj




        From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>
        To: Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
        Cc: "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:45 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear all,

        I do understand that after many years of controversy, some among you become tired of this topic.
        However, tiredness can never settle a controversy or valid objections.

        My discussion with Prof. Achar can be found here:
        See also the responses. However, it seems that the last answer from Prof. Achar is missing.
        Unfortunately, my yahoo mail account does not allow me to attach it as a PDF. However, I somehow managed to send it to the akandabaratam forum, here:
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akandabaratam/message/65202

        One point in Prof. Achar's mail (see below) requires correction. He says:
        <In view of the uncertainties in Delta T( 87876sec for SkyMap Pro, 77033 sec for Cyber Sky, 75952 Sec for Kaul; more than 21 hours even for Kaul) only the certainty of the occurrence of the eclipses was used (question of visibility at a particular place was left uncertain)>

        The values given in the bracket, which amount to about 21 hours, are not "uncertainties in Delta T" but estimated values of Delta T. The uncertainty of the value of Delta T, i. e. its standard error for a given epoch, is found on the following page: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcat5/uncertainty.html
        It amounts to about 9000 seconds in 3000 BCE or or 2.5 hours or 37.5 degrees in geographic longitude. It is therefore not impossible to evaluate the likeliness of visibility of an eclipse in 3000 BCE, and I am still of the opinion that Prof. Achar's eclipses are not convincing.

        Sunil Bhattacharjya is right in saying that I (and the Swiss Ephemeris and Solex) are using more recent data for Delta T than the one mentioned by Shivraj Singh from 1986. The Delta T calculation of the Swiss Ephemeris is based on the following publication:

        Morrison, L. V., and F.R. Stephenson, "Historical Values of the Earth's Clock Error DT and the Calculation of Eclipses", JHA xxxv (2004), pp.327-336. For dates before -1100, see p. 332.

        Anyway, even the Delta T values of Skymap Pro and Cyber Sky do not solve the problem.

        One remark concerning Shivraj Singh's vociferous but incompetent polemic against Mr. Kaul's and my criticism of the eclipses 3067 BCE:
        Shivraj writes to Mr. Kaul:
        <You and your corner have erred and not realised, and I do not think still do, that science has no way, today aleast, to correctly predict how earth's rotation slows down or speeds up. So any claim that an eclipse 5000 years ago was penumbral or not is bad science because it just cannot be computed.>

        This is extremely bad science. Whether an eclipse is penumbral or not does not depend on the value Delta T or its uncertainty. The value of Delta T changes the geographic area where a lunar eclipse can be observed. It does not change the type of eclipse (penumbral/partial/total).

        Best regards

        Dieter Koch











        From: Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
        Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:50 PM
        Subject: RE: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear Bhattacharjyaji,
        I had  very lengthy discussions with Koch recently and those are available on the internet. The date of 3067 BCE was arrived at, as explained in the discussions, on the basis of (i) Shani at Rohini, (ii) Angaraka retrograde before Jyeshtha (iii) solar eclipse at Jyeshtha preceeded by a lunar eclipse on Kartika Pornima. In view of the uncertainties in Delta T( 87876sec for SkyMap Pro, 77033 sec for Cyber Sky, 75952 Sec for Kaul; more than 21 hours even for Kaul) only the certainty of the occurrence of the eclipses was used (question of visibility at a particular place was left uncertain). All this had been discussed umpteen times. I have neither the energy nor the inclination to engage in more discussions of the same. As Rajaramji says this is as far as astronomy can go. It is gratifying that the date comes out ~3000 BCE and not 950 BCE or 1500 BCE.
        As far as I am concerned the discussion is closed.
        Thanks for keeping the exchanges at an appropriate level
        Best wishes ahd Good Bye
        Narahari Achar


        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya [sunil_bhattacharjya@...]
        Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:39 PM
        To: shivraj singh; Navaratna Rajaram
        Cc: Dieter Koch; akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com; mukti_marg@...; srinandan@...; ar_sudhirkumar@...; worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...; bharathgyan@...; bibhumisra@...; ancientarchaeologist@...; hariom4959@...; gayatridevivasudev@...; aareni@...; mail@...; giravani@...; indianarchaeology@...; kalyan97@...; vedakavi@...; padmakarvartak@...; veerankp@...; sgtalageri@...; sohum@...; snjoshy@...; jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com; asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com; Arun Kumar Upadhyay; Narahari B Achar (nachar); Sanjay Rath; Rajender Krishan; subhashk@...; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan; Jayasree Saranathan; saroj bala; ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear Shivraj,

        It is as plain as ever that you are opposing Dieter and Kaul's contesting the 3067 BCE date of the Mahabharata war and that is why you are trying to find fault with the astronomical study of Dieter and Kaul. Dieter and Kaul are absolutely right when they found that the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. Prof. Achar had not opposed that and that means he too agrees to the finding of Dieter and kaul. "Maunam sanmati lakshanam"
        I found that the Mahabharata war took place in 3139 BCE and along with other evidences the three consecutive eclipses of that year fits in with what is given in the Mahabharata. Dieter and Kaul checked the eclipses with their software and they found that three consecutive eclipses indeed occurred in that year. I agree with their software as that  is perfectly right. Dieter and kaul only faltered on the interpretation of the visiblilty of the Penumbral Lunar eclipse as  they did not take into consideration that a Penumbral eclipse of 0.22 magnitude can be visible when the eclipse occurs in the twilight period.

        You are fighting a losing battle with Dieter and Kaul on this front.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB













      • Sunil Bhattacharjya
        The bottomline is that your Dr. Achar does not the tithi when the Mahabharata war started. Without knowing the tithi  he has written all nonsense. You are the
        Message 3 of 25 , Aug 5 8:50 PM
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          The bottomline is that your Dr. Achar does not the tithi when the Mahabharata war started. Without knowing the tithi  he has written all nonsense. You are the greatest fool to support him blindly and made a fool of yourself. The truth is more important to me than who thinks what about me. You are  buffon and that is because you could not prove anything and what can a lose3r like you can do than trying rhetorics etc.

          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:32 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Bottom line still nonsense.

          You have run away from answering the tithi question. Why should anyone ask Achar. It is your claim he is wrong. Prove it.

          You cant because you are a buffoon.

          Anyone that I know thinks you are a fool. That includes most everyone in the cc list.



          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:40 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          ha ha ha. Go on with your rhetorics. Could you find the tithi of the start of the Mahabharata war according to mahaguru Dr. Achar? Just send a mail to him and ask him. Also ask him if he still stands by it. If you think 3139 BCE is not the date of the Mahabharata war, try to prove it. 

          I have not forgot what Sathaye requested me for and what I taught him.  Mind that he wrote me first with request. He is intelligent and he is not a dullard like you. He thanked me at the end and he is not an ungrateful man like you. I know that you tried to provoke Sathaye against me but he is intelligent to see your dirty game and he did not listen to you. You only got a kick from Sathaye.

          As regards the Mahabharata war I have given enough evidence for one to understand that Dr. Achar;s date is wrong. "Samajdaroke liye isharahi kafi hai". The three consecutive eclipses in 3139 BCE, including an eclipse with a 13-day eclipse pair was found by me and also I found the correct tithi of the demise of Bhishma which confused most of the scholars of the 20th and 21st century.  

          So you are left with the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war and that is your misfortune and not mine.



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:47 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


          Can you see the repeat of the pattern?

          First a boast : I know blah blah blah

          Second some one says prove it

          Third Sunil runs away like a ....

          Forgot Sathaye and other discussions in numerous forum?

          Essentially you know nothing. And no believes  that including Achar that you have any capability to prove anyone wrong.

          The fact that you cant even give supporting evidence for your claim that tithis are wrong is self explanatory to everyone.

          Keep dreaming!!




          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:59 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          ha ha ha. I am interested in the truth.  You have not read and understood yourself Achar's paper. I don't want to educate a dullard like you. Achar knows that I do not agree with his tithis and he also knows why and he has no answer to that.

          Ha ha ha prove that Achar's Date of 3067 is right when his eclipses are wrong and his tithis are wrong and when he finds a date of the Mahabharata war after lord Krishna passed away. Anybody who believes in the date of the Mahabharata war must be a dullard like you.



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:36 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Sunil,
               Have you lost it completely? I have asked you a direct question to give evidence that the tithi used by Dr Achar is wrong.

               Instead of answering that you are asking me to ask Dr Achar.

               If this is not running away from answering the question what is? Basically you do not know what you do not know what you are talking about.

               You never answer a direct question. QED.

                Proof complete that you run away like you are doing now.

          Shivraj




          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 2:15 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          ha ha ha. Shivraj,

          Even if you take hundred births you will not be prove that Dr. Achar'a date of 3067 BCE to be correct. BTW, have you asked Dr. Achar about the tithis related to the day of start of the Mahabharata war?

          SKB



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:38 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


          Dear Sunil,
              You are showing your ignorance of Dr Achar's work more and more. In his paper Dr Achar has a whole section on Delta T and how it's incorrect/correct value impacts dates of eclipses.

             Please acquaint yourself with the work of Dr Achar because you have clearly shown you don't understand what has been written by him and yet you are criticising him! Height of dishonesty!

          Hope this helps.

          Shivraj




          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:46 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Dear Shivraj,

          Good, you learnt fast to give reference.
          1)
          I see that you are still living in the year 1986.
          2)
          Further how do you think Achar did the right Delta-T correction and Dieter  did not ?

          Sunil KB


          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:19 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Dear Sunil,

               You are supposed to do a bit more effort then this. Anyway here is the citation:

          IERS Rapid Service/Prediction Center (c. 1986). Historic Delta T and LOD. Source attributed data to McCarthy and Babcock (1986).

          Shivraj

          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:32 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Shivraj,

          The url sent by you does not give any citation, yet you consider it reliable. How strange? Is that how you search for literature?

          Sincerely,
          SKB


          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Sunil,
              Have you not understood the last email? Kaul and Koch are wrong! They used wrong Delta T in pontificating Dr Achar is wrong.

             Since K and K are so obviously wrong why should Dr Achar waste his time in responding to every joker?

             My advice start with this graph:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Delta_T.jpg

          Regards,
          Shivraj




          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:34 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Namaste,

          The year 3067 BCE is not correct, for a number of reasons and the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 are also not the ones mentioned in the Mahabharata. Because of Dr. Achar's silence his supporters are going overboard to attack those who oppose Dr. Achar's date. That is why for the sake of the truth one has necessarily to probe into the cause of Dr. Achar's silence.

          Regards,
          Sunil KB


          From: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:46 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


              I don't want to rush in where angels fear to tread, but there is other evidence suggesting that the MB War took place between 3200 BCE and 3000 BCE. I am not prepared to be more precise than that though Srinivasraghavan's calculated date (3067 BCE) confirmed by Narahari Achar falls inside that. But astronomy alone cannot be used as the arbiter. Both observations and interpretations are open to error, especially at a time when there no precise scientific instruments.

              Details can be found in my book Search for the Historical Krishna. 

              As a senior person I am distressed by personal attacks. Let us stick to our arguments but maintain civility in exchanges.

          N.S. Rajaram    


          On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...> wrote:
          Dear Shivraj,

          If anybody else with common sense would have been at your place the first thing that person  would have done was to ask Professor Achar as to what he has to say about the criticism of the date of the Mahabharata war in 3067 BCE, as was pointed out by Dieter Koch and Avatar Kishen Kaul. Your reluctance shows whether you are really interested in facts or not.  Now I am sure Prof. Achar has realized his mistake but he is not willing to withdraw that date as his researches were sponsored and he got paid for the research.

          Regards,
          Sunil KB

          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>
          Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 10:09 PM
          Subject: Re: [Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.


          Dear Sunil,
              It is usually a good practice to steer away from commenting on things that you do not know. Otherwise people may think you are a fool.

             Since Kaul has convinced you maybe you know more then all scientists put together as to what forces influence the earth's rotation and what value of delta T should be used. Just a not no scientist can predict, even going forward in time, how the speed of earth's rotation will change.

          Hope this helps,
          Shivraj

          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>
          Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:34 AM
          Subject: Re: [Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.

          Dear Shivaraj,

          You may not be aware that Mr. Kaul had already showed that the consecutive triple eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. So it is upto Prof. Achar to contest the views of Mr. Kaul.

          Though Mr. Kaul has always been hostile to me I still support him (Mr. Kaul) for the sake of the truth so far as Prof. Achar's date of the Mahabharata war is concerned. May be Prof. Achar is afraid that if he withdraws his date the people like you, Srinandan and others (who blindly support his date) will be totally heart-broken.

          Regards,
          Sunil KB


          From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
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            From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
            To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:34 PM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


            No need for that bhagode.

            We know you are a clueless non hindu.





            From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
            To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:42 AM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Shivraj,

            ha ha ha I pity you.


            From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
            To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:56 PM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence



            Your "current software" has wrong delta T. No software can have the correct delta T.

            Your work, to use the modern terminology, is garbage in garbage out.

            Any moron who says Krishna is wrong about Kaliyuga in Shalya Parva 9.59.21 because of some Delta T dependent latest software needs to get their head examined.

            And you call yourself a Hindu?

            Shame on you.








            From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
            To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:10 AM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Shivraj,

            I am depending on software which uses more recent data than what prof. Achar used. Which astronomical dating have you done yourself.  Dr. Achar was wrong in dating the Mahabharata war but he at least worked on it. What about you ? You are trying to bask in the false glory of Dr. Achar. Shame Shame Shame.

            SKB

            From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
            To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:53 PM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            I am not changing the stance. You cant predict using the current delta T whether an eclipse is penumbral or not.

            Means there is no point arguing about it anymore. It is well established. But alas bhains ke aage been bajane se koi fayeda nahin.

            Shivraj



            From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
            To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 11:46 PM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Dear friends,

            ha ha ha. Please see for yourself that turncoat Shivraj is changing his stance now and is writing : "Leave eclipses for now and focus on a) - - - - - "
            He wants to leave the issue of the eclipses now, as his attack got a bashing.

            He wants Dr. Achar's other data to be contested. But he conveniently forgets to ask Dr. Achar about the tithi of the day of the start of the Mahabharata war and the tithi on the death of Bhishma. He has no real interest in the date of the Mahabharata war. He wants only to create nuisance.

            Regards,
            Sunil KB



            From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
            To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:26 AM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


            What a dishonest and misrepresenting NASA drivel Dieterji!

            Let me highlight the line of essence:

            "Unfortunately, estimating the standard error in ΔT prior to 1600 CE is a difficult problem."

            Read this as an unsolved problem. Rest all they write are estimates with no verification or tests performed on them.

            Underlying reasons which you know are true and will not acknowledge is that change in speed of earth's rotation is not understood. Consequently delta cannot be estimated correctly for times  of interest to this debate.

            You could use Swiss or any other ephemeris and can get a badge from any or all of Sunil's put together but it won't change the simple fact that these delta T numbers are not reliable to predict if the eclipses of Mahbharata were penumbral or not.

            For once try and have your alter ego also be reasonable or shall we say logical.

            Your camp has not disputed the number of eclipses mentioned in the period of interest.

            Now a logical human being who really wants to true science and not bogus waste of everyone's time would do this:

            a) Since Achar has a series of observations from the time of arrival of Krishna in Hastinapur to the death of Bhishma why don't you and your alter ego try and take these dates apart?

            b) Leave eclipses for now and focus on a) . 

            If you want majority of dates in a) do not match with Dr Achar says then we are going somewhere.

            Are you ready to take this challenge or ....

            Best wishes,
            Shivraj




            From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>
            To: Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>
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            Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:45 PM
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Dear all,

            I do understand that after many years of controversy, some among you become tired of this topic.
            However, tiredness can never settle a controversy or valid objections.

            My discussion with Prof. Achar can be found here:
            See also the responses. However, it seems that the last answer from Prof. Achar is missing.
            Unfortunately, my yahoo mail account does not allow me to attach it as a PDF. However, I somehow managed to send it to the akandabaratam forum, here:
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akandabaratam/message/65202

            One point in Prof. Achar's mail (see below) requires correction. He says:
            <In view of the uncertainties in Delta T( 87876sec for SkyMap Pro, 77033 sec for Cyber Sky, 75952 Sec for Kaul; more than 21 hours even for Kaul) only the certainty of the occurrence of the eclipses was used (question of visibility at a particular place was left uncertain)>

            The values given in the bracket, which amount to about 21 hours, are not "uncertainties in Delta T" but estimated values of Delta T. The uncertainty of the value of Delta T, i. e. its standard error for a given epoch, is found on the following page: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEcat5/uncertainty.html
            It amounts to about 9000 seconds in 3000 BCE or or 2.5 hours or 37.5 degrees in geographic longitude. It is therefore not impossible to evaluate the likeliness of visibility of an eclipse in 3000 BCE, and I am still of the opinion that Prof. Achar's eclipses are not convincing.

            Sunil Bhattacharjya is right in saying that I (and the Swiss Ephemeris and Solex) are using more recent data for Delta T than the one mentioned by Shivraj Singh from 1986. The Delta T calculation of the Swiss Ephemeris is based on the following publication:

            Morrison, L. V., and F.R. Stephenson, "Historical Values of the Earth's Clock Error DT and the Calculation of Eclipses", JHA xxxv (2004), pp.327-336. For dates before -1100, see p. 332.

            Anyway, even the Delta T values of Skymap Pro and Cyber Sky do not solve the problem.

            One remark concerning Shivraj Singh's vociferous but incompetent polemic against Mr. Kaul's and my criticism of the eclipses 3067 BCE:
            Shivraj writes to Mr. Kaul:
            <You and your corner have erred and not realised, and I do not think still do, that science has no way, today aleast, to correctly predict how earth's rotation slows down or speeds up. So any claim that an eclipse 5000 years ago was penumbral or not is bad science because it just cannot be computed.>

            This is extremely bad science. Whether an eclipse is penumbral or not does not depend on the value Delta T or its uncertainty. The value of Delta T changes the geographic area where a lunar eclipse can be observed. It does not change the type of eclipse (penumbral/partial/total).

            Best regards

            Dieter Koch











            From: Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>
            To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
            Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:50 PM
            Subject: RE: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Dear Bhattacharjyaji,
            I had  very lengthy discussions with Koch recently and those are available on the internet. The date of 3067 BCE was arrived at, as explained in the discussions, on the basis of (i) Shani at Rohini, (ii) Angaraka retrograde before Jyeshtha (iii) solar eclipse at Jyeshtha preceeded by a lunar eclipse on Kartika Pornima. In view of the uncertainties in Delta T( 87876sec for SkyMap Pro, 77033 sec for Cyber Sky, 75952 Sec for Kaul; more than 21 hours even for Kaul) only the certainty of the occurrence of the eclipses was used (question of visibility at a particular place was left uncertain). All this had been discussed umpteen times. I have neither the energy nor the inclination to engage in more discussions of the same. As Rajaramji says this is as far as astronomy can go. It is gratifying that the date comes out ~3000 BCE and not 950 BCE or 1500 BCE.
            As far as I am concerned the discussion is closed.
            Thanks for keeping the exchanges at an appropriate level
            Best wishes ahd Good Bye
            Narahari Achar


            From: Sunil Bhattacharjya [sunil_bhattacharjya@...]
            Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:39 PM
            To: shivraj singh; Navaratna Rajaram
            Cc: Dieter Koch; akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com; mukti_marg@...; srinandan@...; ar_sudhirkumar@...; worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...; bharathgyan@...; bibhumisra@...; ancientarchaeologist@...; hariom4959@...; gayatridevivasudev@...; aareni@...; mail@...; giravani@...; indianarchaeology@...; kalyan97@...; vedakavi@...; padmakarvartak@...; veerankp@...; sgtalageri@...; sohum@...; snjoshy@...; jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com; asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com; Arun Kumar Upadhyay; Narahari B Achar (nachar); Sanjay Rath; Rajender Krishan; subhashk@...; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan; Jayasree Saranathan; saroj bala; ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

            Dear Shivraj,

            It is as plain as ever that you are opposing Dieter and Kaul's contesting the 3067 BCE date of the Mahabharata war and that is why you are trying to find fault with the astronomical study of Dieter and Kaul. Dieter and Kaul are absolutely right when they found that the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. Prof. Achar had not opposed that and that means he too agrees to the finding of Dieter and kaul. "Maunam sanmati lakshanam"
            I found that the Mahabharata war took place in 3139 BCE and along with other evidences the three consecutive eclipses of that year fits in with what is given in the Mahabharata. Dieter and Kaul checked the eclipses with their software and they found that three consecutive eclipses indeed occurred in that year. I agree with their software as that  is perfectly right. Dieter and kaul only faltered on the interpretation of the visiblilty of the Penumbral Lunar eclipse as  they did not take into consideration that a Penumbral eclipse of 0.22 magnitude can be visible when the eclipse occurs in the twilight period.

            You are fighting a losing battle with Dieter and Kaul on this front.

            Regards,
            Sunil KB

















          • Sunil Bhattacharjya
            Dear friends, For your information the Bhagavata purana (which is called as the highest of the Puranas by the Padma purana) says the same thing as what is said
            Message 5 of 25 , Aug 5 9:37 PM
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              Dear friends,

              For your information the Bhagavata purana (which is called as the highest of the Puranas by the Padma purana) says the same thing as what is said by the Vishnu purana, that the Kali started on the very day Lord Krishna departed from the Earth. The relevant verse is as follows:

              Bhagavatam :११.८.६
              यस्मिन्नहनि यर्ह्येव भगवानुत्ससर्ज गाम्
              तदैवेहानुवृत्तोऽअसावधर्मप्रभवः कलिः

              So dear friend, please  have no hesitation to accept the day of departure of Lord Krishna from the Earth as the starting day of the Kali yuga.

              Regards,
              Sunil KB


              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:56 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


              Sunil,

              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>

              Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:20 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              [The bottomline is that your Dr. Achar does not the tithi when the Mahabharata war started. Without knowing the tithi  he has written all nonsense. You are the greatest fool to support him blindly and made a fool of yourself. The truth is more important to me than who thinks what about me. You are  buffon and that is because you could not prove anything and what can a lose3r like you can do than trying rhetorics etc.]

              This is just wonderful.

              First Dr Achar's tithis are wrong.

              Now Dr Achar does not even give tithis.

              Do you see how deluded you are my dear?

              Just stop emailing and go do something else.

              This forum is not for you.





              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:32 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Bottom line still nonsense.

              You have run away from answering the tithi question. Why should anyone ask Achar. It is your claim he is wrong. Prove it.

              You cant because you are a buffoon.

              Anyone that I know thinks you are a fool. That includes most everyone in the cc list.



              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:40 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              ha ha ha. Go on with your rhetorics. Could you find the tithi of the start of the Mahabharata war according to mahaguru Dr. Achar? Just send a mail to him and ask him. Also ask him if he still stands by it. If you think 3139 BCE is not the date of the Mahabharata war, try to prove it. 

              I have not forgot what Sathaye requested me for and what I taught him.  Mind that he wrote me first with request. He is intelligent and he is not a dullard like you. He thanked me at the end and he is not an ungrateful man like you. I know that you tried to provoke Sathaye against me but he is intelligent to see your dirty game and he did not listen to you. You only got a kick from Sathaye.

              As regards the Mahabharata war I have given enough evidence for one to understand that Dr. Achar;s date is wrong. "Samajdaroke liye isharahi kafi hai". The three consecutive eclipses in 3139 BCE, including an eclipse with a 13-day eclipse pair was found by me and also I found the correct tithi of the demise of Bhishma which confused most of the scholars of the 20th and 21st century.  

              So you are left with the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war and that is your misfortune and not mine.



              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:47 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


              Can you see the repeat of the pattern?

              First a boast : I know blah blah blah

              Second some one says prove it

              Third Sunil runs away like a ....

              Forgot Sathaye and other discussions in numerous forum?

              Essentially you know nothing. And no believes  that including Achar that you have any capability to prove anyone wrong.

              The fact that you cant even give supporting evidence for your claim that tithis are wrong is self explanatory to everyone.

              Keep dreaming!!




              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:59 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              ha ha ha. I am interested in the truth.  You have not read and understood yourself Achar's paper. I don't want to educate a dullard like you. Achar knows that I do not agree with his tithis and he also knows why and he has no answer to that.

              Ha ha ha prove that Achar's Date of 3067 is right when his eclipses are wrong and his tithis are wrong and when he finds a date of the Mahabharata war after lord Krishna passed away. Anybody who believes in the date of the Mahabharata war must be a dullard like you.



              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:36 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Sunil,
                   Have you lost it completely? I have asked you a direct question to give evidence that the tithi used by Dr Achar is wrong.

                   Instead of answering that you are asking me to ask Dr Achar.

                   If this is not running away from answering the question what is? Basically you do not know what you do not know what you are talking about.

                   You never answer a direct question. QED.

                    Proof complete that you run away like you are doing now.

              Shivraj




              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 2:15 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              ha ha ha. Shivraj,

              Even if you take hundred births you will not be prove that Dr. Achar'a date of 3067 BCE to be correct. BTW, have you asked Dr. Achar about the tithis related to the day of start of the Mahabharata war?

              SKB



              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:38 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


              Dear Sunil,
                  You are showing your ignorance of Dr Achar's work more and more. In his paper Dr Achar has a whole section on Delta T and how it's incorrect/correct value impacts dates of eclipses.

                 Please acquaint yourself with the work of Dr Achar because you have clearly shown you don't understand what has been written by him and yet you are criticising him! Height of dishonesty!

              Hope this helps.

              Shivraj




              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:46 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Dear Shivraj,

              Good, you learnt fast to give reference.
              1)
              I see that you are still living in the year 1986.
              2)
              Further how do you think Achar did the right Delta-T correction and Dieter  did not ?

              Sunil KB


              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:19 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Dear Sunil,

                   You are supposed to do a bit more effort then this. Anyway here is the citation:

              IERS Rapid Service/Prediction Center (c. 1986). Historic Delta T and LOD. Source attributed data to McCarthy and Babcock (1986).

              Shivraj

              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:32 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Shivraj,

              The url sent by you does not give any citation, yet you consider it reliable. How strange? Is that how you search for literature?

              Sincerely,
              SKB


              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Sunil,
                  Have you not understood the last email? Kaul and Koch are wrong! They used wrong Delta T in pontificating Dr Achar is wrong.

                 Since K and K are so obviously wrong why should Dr Achar waste his time in responding to every joker?

                 My advice start with this graph:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Delta_T.jpg

              Regards,
              Shivraj




              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:34 AM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

              Namaste,

              The year 3067 BCE is not correct, for a number of reasons and the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 are also not the ones mentioned in the Mahabharata. Because of Dr. Achar's silence his supporters are going overboard to attack those who oppose Dr. Achar's date. That is why for the sake of the truth one has necessarily to probe into the cause of Dr. Achar's silence.

              Regards,
              Sunil KB


              From: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:46 PM
              Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


                  I don't want to rush in where angels fear to tread, but there is other evidence suggesting that the MB War took place between 3200 BCE and 3000 BCE. I am not prepared to be more precise than that though Srinivasraghavan's calculated date (3067 BCE) confirmed by Narahari Achar falls inside that. But astronomy alone cannot be used as the arbiter. Both observations and interpretations are open to error, especially at a time when there no precise scientific instruments.

                  Details can be found in my book Search for the Historical Krishna. 

                  As a senior person I am distressed by personal attacks. Let us stick to our arguments but maintain civility in exchanges.

              N.S. Rajaram    


              On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...> wrote:
              Dear Shivraj,

              If anybody else with common sense would have been at your place the first thing that person  would have done was to ask Professor Achar as to what he has to say about the criticism of the date of the Mahabharata war in 3067 BCE, as was pointed out by Dieter Koch and Avatar Kishen Kaul. Your reluctance shows whether you are really interested in facts or not.  Now I am sure Prof. Achar has realized his mistake but he is not willing to withdraw that date as his researches were sponsored and he got paid for the research.

              Regards,
              Sunil KB

              From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>
              Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 10:09 PM
              Subject: Re: [Edited] Re: brahmarāśi in Mahabharata, Parashara etc.


              Dear Sunil,
                  It is usually a good practice to steer away from commenting on things that you do not know. Otherwise people may think you are a fool.

                 Since Kaul has convinced you maybe you know more then all scientists put together as to what forces influence the earth's rotation and what value of delta T should be used. Just a not no scientist can predict, even going forward in time, how the speed of earth's rotation will change.

              Hope this helps,
              Shivraj

              From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
              To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
              Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.

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