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Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

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  • Sunil Bhattacharjya
    Shivraj, ha ha ha Only an idiot like you, who does not know that the Mahabharata war took place in the declining Sandhyamsha period of the Dwapara yuga , will
    Message 1 of 4 , Aug 5, 2013
      Shivraj,

      ha ha ha Only an idiot like you, who does not know that the Mahabharata war took place in the declining Sandhyamsha period of the Dwapara yuga , will interpret the verse from the Mahabharata (9.59.21) to say that the Mahabharata war took place in the after start of the Kali yuga. The Vishnu Purana clearly says that on the very day Lord Krishna passed away the Kali yuga started. Call it brilliant or whatever you cerooked brain says does not matter to me . Now that you have lost you may try to use rhetorics as all losers do.

      You have to realize that you have not understood the verse from the Vishnu purana, as you do not know Sanskrit.



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 6:32 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


      This is Brilliant Sunil!!

      Now you are saying that the Mahabharata verse 9.59.21 from Shalya Parva spoken by Lord Krishna himself is false!

      प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
      आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः || (9.59.21)

      I guess you know more then Krishna !!!

      Do you realise how ridiculuous you sound dear ?

      Hope the fog of misinformation lifts and you see clearly what is written in Mahabharata?

      Furthermore can you please stop mis representing what is given in Mahabharata?

      Shivraj




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Cc: "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>
      Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:17 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

      Dear friends,

      Vishnu Purana says very very clearly that on the very day Lord Krishna left the Earth  the dark-bodied powerful Kali appeared (on the Erath). The relevant vesrse from Vishnu purana is as follows :

      यस्मिन्दिने हरिर्यातो दिवं सन्त्यज्य मेदिनीम् /
      तस्मिन्नेवावतीर्णोऽयं कालकायो बली कलिः // ५.३८.८ //

      The same ting is confirmed in the Bhagavatam also.

      Only a dimwit and liar like Shivraj will think that Kali yuga already occurred during the Mahabharata war. He does not know Sanskrit and thinks that Dr. Achar also knows Sanskrit. The war took place during the Sandhi period or the declining period of the Dwapara yuga and the Mahabharata says about the impending  start of the Kali yuga.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB

      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:43 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


      Look Sunil it is clear to everyone that you are lying about tithis. You do not know Mahabharata at all. Kaliyuga had already started as Krishna's shloka that I sent in another email amply proves. Attached here for the benefit of others:

      [प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
      आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।
      Translation:
      Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise. ]

      Unless you are claiming you know more then Lord Krishna himself about the start of Kaliyuga I see no reason to entertain your stupid fancies.

      Hence no request. If you knew the answer it would have come out by now.

      Have fun,
      Shivraj



      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:33 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

      Dimwit Shivraj,
      1)
      You wrote
      Quote
      Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."

      Unquote

      That is not a request. Firts withdraw the challenge on guts and make a sincere request saying that you want to learn about the dating of the Mahabharata war and see whether your request is kept or not.
      2)
      You wrote
      Quote
      "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."
      Unquote
      I have already presented the evidences on this in a group where Dr. Achar himself is a member and he knows it. First ask him whether this is a fact or not.

      Sincerely,
      SKB

      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:50 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


      Bhattacharjya Babu,
           At least half a dozen times I have asked you the same thing and I cut and paste two instances from earlier mails:

      1  "Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

      "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

           Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."


      2 . 
      "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."

        So for the nth time I am repeating the direct question to you:

          QUESTION ->  what are the wrong tithis of Dr Achar and why are they wrong?

      Regards,
      Shivraj



      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:09 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

      Shivraj,

      What was that direct question you asked me? I asked you to tell me and you are keeping quiet.


      Shame on you liar. There was no question that I have not answered. It is you who have not answered any question so far. What have you yourself done to prove the date of the Mahabharata war as 3067 BCE ? Did your heroAchar prove the tithi on the day of the start of the  Mahabharata war. Did he show you any text in support of the tithi of the death of the death of Bhishma. 

      If you want to learn from me then request me and you will be told to the best of my knowledge. Do you understand this? You are a kalanka (stigma) in the name of the brave Rajputs. Just don't refer to discussion with Sathaye to a group of people who have not seen any of those discussions. If you have the guts show them those discussions. Sathaye was confused and he first wrote his questions with a request and I taught him about the Yuga scale. I also taught you a lot about ancient Indian history and when your questions became  never-ending I told you that you have do your own reading and I cannot go on giving Internet-coaching to you. You ungrateful ignorant thick-headed fellow.

      SKB

      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:12 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


      This is a perfect example of you running away when asked a direct question.  You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot.

      In every debate this happens. Be it with Sunil Sathaye over the span of yugas or with me in numerous forums.

      And it has happened here too.

      Since you do not understand significance of variation of Delta T and how that nullifies Kaul and Koch why do you keep showing your ignorance? That too repeatedly!

      Regarding your other misinformed rant:

      "The Saka kala (Shalivahana saka) started iafter 3179 years of the Kaliyuga (see the works Brhmagupta and others) and the Kali yuga started 36 years after the Mahabharata war. Even a commoner will conclude from this that the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war cannot be correct. This is just to give you a glimpse. "

      No. You do not know Mahabharata yet.

      In Mahabharata to pacify Balrama,  who wants to kill Bhima because Bhima had struck a low blow on Duryodhana which was against the rules of warfare , Krishna himself says to Balrama that Kaliyuga has started :

      प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
      आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।

      Translation:
      Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise.

      Only misinformed doubt what is given in Mahabharata.


      And finally you say:
      "Detailed studies too prove beyond doubt that the Mahabharata war took place towards the end of the 3139 BCE."

      What is the evidence? And by whom?

      Hope this helps,
      Shivraj










      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:06 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Shivraj. I have no objection if you think that Dr. Achar is right. Be happy if you think you are smart enough to make the wrong date right by your rhetorics..



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Dear Sunil,
          You are not following anything that is being discussed. It is like bhains ke aage been bajana.    
          As you do not know what is the significance of the variation in delta T you can't comprehend that the 2 in 1 Kaul and Koc are just plain wrong. You parroting them is laughable.

          Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

      "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

           Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts.

      Regards,
      -Shivraj


      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:19 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Dear Shivraj,

      You are only making a fool of yourself. Dr. Achar's paper is full of errors. His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong.

      You gave reference of a paper published in 1986 , whereas Dieter and Kaul worked with more recent (i.e., post-1986) data.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB


      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:23 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


      Dear Sunil,
          You sound like an indoctrinated person of the book. When you have been told that Kaul and company cannot predict correctly that an eclipse will be penumbral or not, a fact they both understand now, why are you still clinging to the falsehood?

          Do you understand how knowing the correct rotation of earth matters in predicting eclipses or not?

         The problem with you is that you have a closed mind. Sorry to say this but this is a sign of old age.

         I have given you references on Delta variation which you refuse to read. I have given you reference from Dr Achar's paper which you refuse to read.

          Can you be more ridiculous?

          Please do not make a further fool of yourself.

      Regards,
      -Shivraj



      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Dear Shivraj,

      It is as plain as ever that you are opposing Dieter and Kaul's contesting the 3067 BCE date of the Mahabharata war and that is why you are trying to find fault with the astronomical study of Dieter and Kaul. Dieter and Kaul are absolutely right when they found that the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. Prof. Achar had not opposed that and that means he too agrees to the finding of Dieter and kaul. "Maunam sanmati lakshanam"
      I found that the Mahabharata war took place in 3139 BCE and along with other evidences the three consecutive eclipses of that year fits in with what is given in the Mahabharata. Dieter and Kaul checked the eclipses with their software and they found that three consecutive eclipses indeed occurred in that year. I agree with their software as that  is perfectly right. Dieter and Kaul only faltered on the interpretation of the visiblilty of the Penumbral Lunar eclipse as  they did not take into consideration that a Penumbral eclipse of 0.22 magnitude can be visible when the eclipse occurs in the twilight period.

      You are fighting a losing battle with Dieter and Kaul on this front.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB

      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:39 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


      Dear Sunil,
         When you do not understand what is being talked about what is the need to open your mouth?
      Regards,
      Shivraj



      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:50 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Why forget the main issue, i.e.,  the date of the Mahabharata? First get the confirmation from your mentor Dr. Achar that he still stands by his date of 3067 BCE.

      Dudh ka dudh panika pani ho jayega.



      From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


      Kalu and Koc's evidence is based on faulty delta T which Kaul now understands.

      It is imperative that you understand what is being discussed rather quickly.




      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:34 AM
      Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

      Do you think Dieter and Kaul had not given evidence?


      From: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
      To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      Cc: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeolo

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    • Sunil Bhattacharjya
      Dear Shivraj, God has not given you the capacity to understand and I have no intention to teach you any further after seeing your true colour.  To even a
      Message 2 of 4 , Aug 5, 2013
        Dear Shivraj,

        God has not given you the capacity to understand and I have no intention to teach you any further after seeing your true colour.  To even a school boy  with common sense it would have been clear from what I gave earlier, that the Shalivahana saka started on the 3139 years of Kali era and he would have known that the date of 3067 BCE for the Mahabharata war is wrong but you could not understand this simple thing. Tthat shows that you have no real intelligence. Thanks to God that he has given me the capacity to understand Sanskrit verses which even many big reputed scholar failed to interpret. You have problem with Sanskrit and not me.


        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:01 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


        Dear Sunil,
            How on earth can Puran take precedence over what is written in Mahabharata? That too words spoken by Krishna himself?

            You need to give up this delusion that you know any Sanskrit.

           



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:18 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

        Shivraj,

        ha ha ha Only an idiot like you, who does not know that the Mahabharata war took place in the declining Sandhyamsha period of the Dwapara yuga , will interpret the verse from the Mahabharata (9.59.21) to say that the Mahabharata war took place in the after start of the Kali yuga. The Vishnu Purana clearly says that on the very day Lord Krishna passed away the Kali yuga started. Call it brilliant or whatever you cerooked brain says does not matter to me . Now that you have lost you may try to use rhetorics as all losers do.

        You have to realize that you have not understood the verse from the Vishnu purana, as you do not know Sanskrit.



        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 6:32 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


        This is Brilliant Sunil!!

        Now you are saying that the Mahabharata verse 9.59.21 from Shalya Parva spoken by Lord Krishna himself is false!

        प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
        आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः || (9.59.21)

        I guess you know more then Krishna !!!

        Do you realise how ridiculuous you sound dear ?

        Hope the fog of misinformation lifts and you see clearly what is written in Mahabharata?

        Furthermore can you please stop mis representing what is given in Mahabharata?

        Shivraj




        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Cc: "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>
        Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:17 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

        Dear friends,

        Vishnu Purana says very very clearly that on the very day Lord Krishna left the Earth  the dark-bodied powerful Kali appeared (on the Erath). The relevant vesrse from Vishnu purana is as follows :

        यस्मिन्दिने हरिर्यातो दिवं सन्त्यज्य मेदिनीम् /
        तस्मिन्नेवावतीर्णोऽयं कालकायो बली कलिः // ५.३८.८ //

        The same ting is confirmed in the Bhagavatam also.

        Only a dimwit and liar like Shivraj will think that Kali yuga already occurred during the Mahabharata war. He does not know Sanskrit and thinks that Dr. Achar also knows Sanskrit. The war took place during the Sandhi period or the declining period of the Dwapara yuga and the Mahabharata says about the impending  start of the Kali yuga.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB

        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:43 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


        Look Sunil it is clear to everyone that you are lying about tithis. You do not know Mahabharata at all. Kaliyuga had already started as Krishna's shloka that I sent in another email amply proves. Attached here for the benefit of others:

        [प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
        आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।
        Translation:
        Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise. ]

        Unless you are claiming you know more then Lord Krishna himself about the start of Kaliyuga I see no reason to entertain your stupid fancies.

        Hence no request. If you knew the answer it would have come out by now.

        Have fun,
        Shivraj



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:33 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

        Dimwit Shivraj,
        1)
        You wrote
        Quote
        Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."

        Unquote

        That is not a request. Firts withdraw the challenge on guts and make a sincere request saying that you want to learn about the dating of the Mahabharata war and see whether your request is kept or not.
        2)
        You wrote
        Quote
        "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."
        Unquote
        I have already presented the evidences on this in a group where Dr. Achar himself is a member and he knows it. First ask him whether this is a fact or not.

        Sincerely,
        SKB

        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:50 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


        Bhattacharjya Babu,
             At least half a dozen times I have asked you the same thing and I cut and paste two instances from earlier mails:

        1  "Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

        "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

             Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."


        2 . 
        "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."

          So for the nth time I am repeating the direct question to you:

            QUESTION ->  what are the wrong tithis of Dr Achar and why are they wrong?

        Regards,
        Shivraj



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:09 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

        Shivraj,

        What was that direct question you asked me? I asked you to tell me and you are keeping quiet.


        Shame on you liar. There was no question that I have not answered. It is you who have not answered any question so far. What have you yourself done to prove the date of the Mahabharata war as 3067 BCE ? Did your heroAchar prove the tithi on the day of the start of the  Mahabharata war. Did he show you any text in support of the tithi of the death of the death of Bhishma. 

        If you want to learn from me then request me and you will be told to the best of my knowledge. Do you understand this? You are a kalanka (stigma) in the name of the brave Rajputs. Just don't refer to discussion with Sathaye to a group of people who have not seen any of those discussions. If you have the guts show them those discussions. Sathaye was confused and he first wrote his questions with a request and I taught him about the Yuga scale. I also taught you a lot about ancient Indian history and when your questions became  never-ending I told you that you have do your own reading and I cannot go on giving Internet-coaching to you. You ungrateful ignorant thick-headed fellow.

        SKB

        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:12 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


        This is a perfect example of you running away when asked a direct question.  You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot.

        In every debate this happens. Be it with Sunil Sathaye over the span of yugas or with me in numerous forums.

        And it has happened here too.

        Since you do not understand significance of variation of Delta T and how that nullifies Kaul and Koch why do you keep showing your ignorance? That too repeatedly!

        Regarding your other misinformed rant:

        "The Saka kala (Shalivahana saka) started iafter 3179 years of the Kaliyuga (see the works Brhmagupta and others) and the Kali yuga started 36 years after the Mahabharata war. Even a commoner will conclude from this that the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war cannot be correct. This is just to give you a glimpse. "

        No. You do not know Mahabharata yet.

        In Mahabharata to pacify Balrama,  who wants to kill Bhima because Bhima had struck a low blow on Duryodhana which was against the rules of warfare , Krishna himself says to Balrama that Kaliyuga has started :

        प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
        आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।

        Translation:
        Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise.

        Only misinformed doubt what is given in Mahabharata.


        And finally you say:
        "Detailed studies too prove beyond doubt that the Mahabharata war took place towards the end of the 3139 BCE."

        What is the evidence? And by whom?

        Hope this helps,
        Shivraj










        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:06 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Shivraj. I have no objection if you think that Dr. Achar is right. Be happy if you think you are smart enough to make the wrong date right by your rhetorics..



        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 4:41 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear Sunil,
            You are not following anything that is being discussed. It is like bhains ke aage been bajana.    
            As you do not know what is the significance of the variation in delta T you can't comprehend that the 2 in 1 Kaul and Koc are just plain wrong. You parroting them is laughable.

            Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

        "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

             Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts.

        Regards,
        -Shivraj


        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:19 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear Shivraj,

        You are only making a fool of yourself. Dr. Achar's paper is full of errors. His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong.

        You gave reference of a paper published in 1986 , whereas Dieter and Kaul worked with more recent (i.e., post-1986) data.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB


        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:23 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


        Dear Sunil,
            You sound like an indoctrinated person of the book. When you have been told that Kaul and company cannot predict correctly that an eclipse will be penumbral or not, a fact they both understand now, why are you still clinging to the falsehood?

            Do you understand how knowing the correct rotation of earth matters in predicting eclipses or not?

           The problem with you is that you have a closed mind. Sorry to say this but this is a sign of old age.

           I have given you references on Delta variation which you refuse to read. I have given you reference from Dr Achar's paper which you refuse to read.

            Can you be more ridiculous?

            Please do not make a further fool of yourself.

        Regards,
        -Shivraj



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
        Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Dear Shivraj,

        It is as plain as ever that you are opposing Dieter and Kaul's contesting the 3067 BCE date of the Mahabharata war and that is why you are trying to find fault with the astronomical study of Dieter and Kaul. Dieter and Kaul are absolutely right when they found that the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. Prof. Achar had not opposed that and that means he too agrees to the finding of Dieter and kaul. "Maunam sanmati lakshanam"
        I found that the Mahabharata war took place in 3139 BCE and along with other evidences the three consecutive eclipses of that year fits in with what is given in the Mahabharata. Dieter and Kaul checked the eclipses with their software and they found that three consecutive eclipses indeed occurred in that year. I agree with their software as that  is perfectly right. Dieter and Kaul only faltered on the interpretation of the visiblilty of the Penumbral Lunar eclipse as  they did not take into consideration that a Penumbral eclipse of 0.22 magnitude can be visible when the eclipse occurs in the twilight period.

        You are fighting a losing battle with Dieter and Kaul on this front.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB

        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
        Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:39 PM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


        Dear Sunil,
           When you do not understand what is being talked about what is the need to open your mouth?
        Regards,
        Shivraj



        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
        Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:50 AM
        Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

        Why forget the main issue, i.e.,  the date of the Mahabharata? First get the confirmation from your mentor Dr. Achar that he still stands by his date of 3067 BCE.

        Dudh ka dudh panika pani ho jayega.



        From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>

        (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
      • Sunil Bhattacharjya
        ha ha ha. When did I say Lord Krishna to be wrong. I said that you have do not have the capacity to  understand what Lord Krishna said. Your provoking me by
        Message 3 of 4 , Aug 5, 2013
          ha ha ha. When did I say Lord Krishna to be wrong. I said that you have do not have the capacity to  understand what Lord Krishna said. Your provoking me by falsely accusing me by saying that I ran away will not help you. I have not run away rather you did. Why don't you tell the receipients of these mails that Dr. Achar no longer gives you any support now as he knows that his tithi of Bhishma's death as well as his tithi of the start of the Mahabharata war are wrong.



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:40 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


          Great Joke Sunil.

          No you are not a teacher or any scholar. That is a delusion that you live in.

          If you want others to believe you are a scholar you can try and decipher what is written in Mahbharata Shloka 9.59.21 from Shalya Parva and prove what Krishna said is wrong!

          You don't have the knowledge to do it as you dont have the knowledge to come good on your claim that Dr Achar's tithis are wrong.

          You have run away again.







          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 9:07 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

          Dear Shivraj,

          God has not given you the capacity to understand and I have no intention to teach you any further after seeing your true colour.  To even a school boy  with common sense it would have been clear from what I gave earlier, that the Shalivahana saka started on the 3139 years of Kali era and he would have known that the date of 3067 BCE for the Mahabharata war is wrong but you could not understand this simple thing. Tthat shows that you have no real intelligence. Thanks to God that he has given me the capacity to understand Sanskrit verses which even many big reputed scholar failed to interpret. You have problem with Sanskrit and not me.


          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:01 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


          Dear Sunil,
              How on earth can Puran take precedence over what is written in Mahabharata? That too words spoken by Krishna himself?

              You need to give up this delusion that you know any Sanskrit.

             



          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:18 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

          Shivraj,

          ha ha ha Only an idiot like you, who does not know that the Mahabharata war took place in the declining Sandhyamsha period of the Dwapara yuga , will interpret the verse from the Mahabharata (9.59.21) to say that the Mahabharata war took place in the after start of the Kali yuga. The Vishnu Purana clearly says that on the very day Lord Krishna passed away the Kali yuga started. Call it brilliant or whatever you cerooked brain says does not matter to me . Now that you have lost you may try to use rhetorics as all losers do.

          You have to realize that you have not understood the verse from the Vishnu purana, as you do not know Sanskrit.



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; "hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com" <hinducalendar@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 6:32 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


          This is Brilliant Sunil!!

          Now you are saying that the Mahabharata verse 9.59.21 from Shalya Parva spoken by Lord Krishna himself is false!

          प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
          आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः || (9.59.21)

          I guess you know more then Krishna !!!

          Do you realise how ridiculuous you sound dear ?

          Hope the fog of misinformation lifts and you see clearly what is written in Mahabharata?

          Furthermore can you please stop mis representing what is given in Mahabharata?

          Shivraj




          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Cc: "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:17 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )

          Dear friends,

          Vishnu Purana says very very clearly that on the very day Lord Krishna left the Earth  the dark-bodied powerful Kali appeared (on the Erath). The relevant vesrse from Vishnu purana is as follows :

          यस्मिन्दिने हरिर्यातो दिवं सन्त्यज्य मेदिनीम् /
          तस्मिन्नेवावतीर्णोऽयं कालकायो बली कलिः // ५.३८.८ //

          The same ting is confirmed in the Bhagavatam also.

          Only a dimwit and liar like Shivraj will think that Kali yuga already occurred during the Mahabharata war. He does not know Sanskrit and thinks that Dr. Achar also knows Sanskrit. The war took place during the Sandhi period or the declining period of the Dwapara yuga and the Mahabharata says about the impending  start of the Kali yuga.

          Regards,
          Sunil KB

          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:43 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Krishna and Kaliyuga )


          Look Sunil it is clear to everyone that you are lying about tithis. You do not know Mahabharata at all. Kaliyuga had already started as Krishna's shloka that I sent in another email amply proves. Attached here for the benefit of others:

          [प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
          आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।
          Translation:
          Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise. ]

          Unless you are claiming you know more then Lord Krishna himself about the start of Kaliyuga I see no reason to entertain your stupid fancies.

          Hence no request. If you knew the answer it would have come out by now.

          Have fun,
          Shivraj



          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:33 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

          Dimwit Shivraj,
          1)
          You wrote
          Quote
          Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."

          Unquote

          That is not a request. Firts withdraw the challenge on guts and make a sincere request saying that you want to learn about the dating of the Mahabharata war and see whether your request is kept or not.
          2)
          You wrote
          Quote
          "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."
          Unquote
          I have already presented the evidences on this in a group where Dr. Achar himself is a member and he knows it. First ask him whether this is a fact or not.

          Sincerely,
          SKB

          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:50 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


          Bhattacharjya Babu,
               At least half a dozen times I have asked you the same thing and I cut and paste two instances from earlier mails:

          1  "Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

          "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

               Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts."


          2 . 
          "You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot."

            So for the nth time I am repeating the direct question to you:

              QUESTION ->  what are the wrong tithis of Dr Achar and why are they wrong?

          Regards,
          Shivraj



          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:09 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence

          Shivraj,

          What was that direct question you asked me? I asked you to tell me and you are keeping quiet.


          Shame on you liar. There was no question that I have not answered. It is you who have not answered any question so far. What have you yourself done to prove the date of the Mahabharata war as 3067 BCE ? Did your heroAchar prove the tithi on the day of the start of the  Mahabharata war. Did he show you any text in support of the tithi of the death of the death of Bhishma. 

          If you want to learn from me then request me and you will be told to the best of my knowledge. Do you understand this? You are a kalanka (stigma) in the name of the brave Rajputs. Just don't refer to discussion with Sathaye to a group of people who have not seen any of those discussions. If you have the guts show them those discussions. Sathaye was confused and he first wrote his questions with a request and I taught him about the Yuga scale. I also taught you a lot about ancient Indian history and when your questions became  never-ending I told you that you have do your own reading and I cannot go on giving Internet-coaching to you. You ungrateful ignorant thick-headed fellow.

          SKB

          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:12 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- (Brahmgupta mispresented) evidence


          This is a perfect example of you running away when asked a direct question.  You claim you have proved Achar wrong by pointing out wrong tithis and when asked to present evidence you scoot.

          In every debate this happens. Be it with Sunil Sathaye over the span of yugas or with me in numerous forums.

          And it has happened here too.

          Since you do not understand significance of variation of Delta T and how that nullifies Kaul and Koch why do you keep showing your ignorance? That too repeatedly!

          Regarding your other misinformed rant:

          "The Saka kala (Shalivahana saka) started iafter 3179 years of the Kaliyuga (see the works Brhmagupta and others) and the Kali yuga started 36 years after the Mahabharata war. Even a commoner will conclude from this that the 3067 BCE date for the Mahabharata war cannot be correct. This is just to give you a glimpse. "

          No. You do not know Mahabharata yet.

          In Mahabharata to pacify Balrama,  who wants to kill Bhima because Bhima had struck a low blow on Duryodhana which was against the rules of warfare , Krishna himself says to Balrama that Kaliyuga has started :

          प्राप्तं कलियुगं विद्वि प्रतिज्ञां पाण्डवस्य च।
          आनृण्यं यातु वैरस्य प्रतिज्ञायाश्च पाण्डवः।

          Translation:
          Kaliyuga is at hand. Remember also the promise made by the son of Pandu. Let, therefore, the son of Pandu be regarded to have requited the debt he owed to his enemy  and to have carried out his promise.

          Only misinformed doubt what is given in Mahabharata.


          And finally you say:
          "Detailed studies too prove beyond doubt that the Mahabharata war took place towards the end of the 3139 BCE."

          What is the evidence? And by whom?

          Hope this helps,
          Shivraj










          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 10:06 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Shivraj. I have no objection if you think that Dr. Achar is right. Be happy if you think you are smart enough to make the wrong date right by your rhetorics..



          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 4:41 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Dear Sunil,
              You are not following anything that is being discussed. It is like bhains ke aage been bajana.    
              As you do not know what is the significance of the variation in delta T you can't comprehend that the 2 in 1 Kaul and Koc are just plain wrong. You parroting them is laughable.

              Since you now make another tall claim about Dr Achar:

          "His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong."

               Prove it. Let us see if you have the guts.

          Regards,
          -Shivraj


          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          Cc: Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>; Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:19 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Dear Shivraj,

          You are only making a fool of yourself. Dr. Achar's paper is full of errors. His tithi  of the start of the war, his tithi of the death of Bhishma and many more are absolutely wrong. Even without astronomical software one can find from other textual data that Achar's date is absolutely wrong.

          You gave reference of a paper published in 1986 , whereas Dieter and Kaul worked with more recent (i.e., post-1986) data.

          Regards,
          Sunil KB


          From: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>
          To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:23 AM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence


          Dear Sunil,
              You sound like an indoctrinated person of the book. When you have been told that Kaul and company cannot predict correctly that an eclipse will be penumbral or not, a fact they both understand now, why are you still clinging to the falsehood?

              Do you understand how knowing the correct rotation of earth matters in predicting eclipses or not?

             The problem with you is that you have a closed mind. Sorry to say this but this is a sign of old age.

             I have given you references on Delta variation which you refuse to read. I have given you reference from Dr Achar's paper which you refuse to read.

              Can you be more ridiculous?

              Please do not make a further fool of yourself.

          Regards,
          -Shivraj



          From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
          To: shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; Navaratna Rajaram <rajaramnavaratna@...>
          Cc: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com" <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com" <asthikasamaj@yahoogroups.com>; Arun Kumar Upadhyay <arunupadhyay30@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; Sanjay Rath <guruji@...>; Rajender Krishan <RK@...>; "subhashk@..." <subhashk@...>; Pandit Siva Prasad Tata <sptata@...>; Ramanathan Ramakrishnan <ramanathan.ram2010@...>; Jayasree Saranathan <jayasree.saranathan@...>; saroj bala <sarojbala44@...>; "ancient indian astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:09 PM
          Subject: Re: Mahabharata date-- other evidence

          Dear Shivraj,

          It is as plain as ever that you are opposing Dieter and Kaul's contesting the 3067 BCE date of the Mahabharata war and that is why you are trying to find fault with the astronomical study of Dieter and Kaul. Dieter and Kaul are absolutely right when they found that the three consecutive eclipses in 3067 BCE were not visible in Hastinapur. Prof. Achar had not opposed that and that means he too agrees to the finding of Dieter and kaul. "Maunam sanmati lakshanam"
          I found that the Mahabharata war took place in 3139 BCE and along with other evidences the three consecutive eclipses of that year fits in with what is given in the Mahabharata. Dieter and Kaul checked the eclipses with their software and they found that three consecutive eclipses indeed occurred in that year. I agree with their software as that  is perfectly right. Dieter and Kaul only faltered on the interpretation of the visiblilty of the Penumbral Lunar eclipse as  they did not take into consideration that a Penumbral eclipse of 0.22 magnitude can be visible when the eclipse occurs in the twilight period.

          You are fighting a losing battle with Dieter and Kaul on this front.
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