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  • Sunil Bhattacharjya
    ha ha ha . Lalit s false assertions will not help. American mastodonts did have four tusks. Like these days all elephants do not have tusks, so also in the
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      ha ha ha . Lalit's false assertions will not help. American mastodonts did have four tusks. Like these days all elephants do not have tusks, so also in the ancient times  all the mstodonts did not necessarily have tusks. Lalit comes to argue with his half-baked knowledge depending on Wiukipedia alone.

      Secondly why is Lalit silent now about his insistence that Chaturyuga was 4'320,000 years long. By that also Lord Ram should have been born more than a million years ago and that makes Lord Ram a mythical person. My request to the friends is that please look at the Pauranic Chronology of the Suryavamsha and that will show you the list of descendents of Lord Ram upto Lord Buddfha. Lord Ram was a historical person born about 8,000 years ago and not a mythical person like Lalit wants to prove.


      SKB

      From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
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      Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:59 AM
      Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana

       
      Sunil Writes :  [[ Lalit Mishra is not aware that the mastodonts with four tusks were roaming the Earth ]]
       
      That's a false statement that Sunil made, mastodonts didn't have four tusks, Sunil is given url to correct himself, however, it's his choice, He can imitate Kaul and keep on posting false statments, No issues
       
       
      If Valmiki has said that Sri Rama incarnated in Treta, We shall follow Valmiki, Valmiki has also given another data that Sri Rama ruled for 10,000 Varsha ( Years), Sunil is expected to present his argument with correct textual and archaeological evidences reconciling other related citations made by Valmiki, in lack of his doing that, We shall keep ignoring him.
       
      Lalit Mishra


      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
      Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:09 AM
      Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
      Dear friends,

      1)
      Lalit Mishra is not aware that the mastodonts with four tusks were roaming the Earth as late as about 8,000 years ago .In my earlier mails I already gave the details, when there was such a debate with Srinandan.  Lalit's Wikipedia-based knowledge will not convince anybody.

      He advocates a Chatiuryuga span of 4320,000 years, which makes Lord Ram, who was on the earth in the Treta yuga a mythical person living more than a million years ago. Lalit Mishra has failed to produce the list of kings from Lord Ram to his descendent Brihadbala, who died in the Mahabharata war. Yet he does not have shame.
      2)
      He writes as follows;
      QuoteDon't tamper and mislead ....
      Unquote

      Why should I lose temper. I am rather amused at his foolishness.

      Regards,
      Sunil KB



      From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
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      Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:20 PM
      Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
       
      You have already lost your arguments on Four Tusk Elephents cited by Valmiki in Ramayana, Gomphotherium had four tusk whose remains are found in Asia and they were roaming around 10 Million Years back
       
       
      You had been incorrectly twisting the facts and stating that Mastodon as four tusk elephants whereas they are not
       
       
      Even with reduction of time span to 10,000 or 12,000 Yrs or even to 200 Yrs, no merit, no proofs you present in terms of historicity.

      Don't tamper and mislead ....
       

      From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
      To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
      Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:48 PM
      Subject: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
       
      Let us see how one can prove Ram to be historical person by adhering to the Chaturyuha span of 4,230,000 years. Suryavamsha and Chandravamsha lists of the puranas show the compatibilty of a Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only.  Shobhan Ganji, who gave a call (a terrorising call) in the Internet to beat me up very badly just because I did not not agree with the Chaturyuga span of 4320,000 years.  I believe only in a chaturyuga span of 12,000 solar years. Let Shobhan Ganji and his follower Lalit  Mishra prove the compatibility of the Chaturyuga  span of 4,320,000 years with the birth of a historical Rama by giving the geneological list of Loird Ram's descendents upto Brihadbala (a descendent of Lord Ram), who died in the Mahabharata war. I find that the  Pauranic genealogical lists from Lord Ram to his descendent Brihadbala, who died in the Mahabharata war, show the compatibility of the Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only. The list from Lord Ram to Lord Krishna also prove the compatibilty of the Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only. The people like Shobhan Ganji and Lalit Mishra do not even know that the Pauranic lists were not made by using the Wikipedia lists. Anybody with common sense knows that Wikipedia information are edited by different people inserting information, which they think to be right and that cannot contest the data of the Puranas. 

      Sincerely,
      Sunil KB
      From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
      To: shobhan_ganji@...; litsol@...; sunil_bhattacharjya@...; shivkhokra@...; jayasree.saranathan@...
      Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
      Don't worry Shobhan, He means, unless Sri Ram's time is confined with 12,000 yrs, Sri Ram is mythological. Declaring Sri Ram was anywhere before 12,000 yrs will make Ram historical. I shall be sending vedic mantras showing planets tonight, right now, I have some work in LIC office. His wikipedia list of Ikshvaku kings doesn't help, I have documented issues in wikipedia list that he doesn't know, have also collected cortective information that may help in reconstruction of the list, if somebody takes up that project tomorrow. Let's collate the textual evidences surfaced in this debate as Shivaraj Ji wants. These matters are very critical, very sensitive, demands utmost care and accountability, that these guys don't have. Ignore him. ------------------------------ On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:50 AM IST shobhan ganji wrote: > > >Sunil Bhattacharya you are big manipulator and fraud and you have no right to call me indirectly a fraud. Shivraj ji is a learned scholar let us present your theory and my theory and we will see who is right and who is wrong. It is amazing to see you calling me a terrorist. Don't you think I can use similar abusive language and label you with names if need be to make you shut. However, for bringing out truth, I am giving one more opportunity to let truth come to open . If you have guts and honesty , you present your interpretation to Shivraj ji and I will present my interpretation and evidence to him and we will see on whose side the truth is there. If you want to take the discussion to the next level of abusive language and foul playing or if you want to come to a saner position and argue peacefully with an expert like Shivraj ji , it is your choice.  > >________________________________ > From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...> >To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...> >Cc: AK Kaul <jyotirved@...> >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:23 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana > > > >Thank you Dieter. The astrological data in the Ramayana on the birth of Lord Ram have tremendous importance only to the people like me, but not for those people who believe that the span of the Chaturyuga is 4,320,000 years. You may know that because of advocating a span of 12,000 Solar years as the span of the Chaturyuga, one terrorist masquerading as a gentleman had even given a public call to beat me up. That is because, with that kind of calculation Lord Ram becomes a mythical figure born more than a million years ago.  > >Regards, >Sunil KB > > > >________________________________ > From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...> >To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "sunil_bhattacharjya@..." <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...> >Cc: AK Kaul <jyotirved@...> >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:48 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana > > > >Hi, > > >I attach the following PDFs: > >1. ramayana_crited_intro.pdf contains the introductory pages about the >recensions and variants of the epic. Lalit, if there is a minimum of >intellectual honesty in you, you will carefully read it and learn what >is the nature of this critical text edition. > > >2. ramayana_crited_astro.pdf contains the pages that I have sent you already. I am adding them for Sunil. > >Dieter > > >________________________________ > > From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...> >To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; "sivaexpo@..." <sivaexpo@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Cc: ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; > "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; > "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:30 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
      > > > >Dieter, >  >Facts are very
      clear that even if  you repeat your lie umpteen'th times, that won't become a > truth, Not a single scanned pages that you supplied says that Sri Ram's birth data is "NOT ORIGINAL" nor those editors ever attempted saying so, It's you who is trying to interpolate a lie and labeling a false story that has no base, I have reattached one of the scan page of critical edition of Ramayana that rather says that the particular verse is damagged contrary to your lie "NOT ORIGINAL". >  >I have examined the facts and collected papers written by those editors and then came forward to expose you and kaul are telling lie. >  >I had seen your tomboy AK Kaul's support extended to you against Valmiki's Ramayana, he says that Ramayana was not revealed millions of years, his comments reflect : >  >1. Kaul knows correct antiquity of Ramayana and Valmiki's revealation that Ramayana was composed in Treta is wrong, Seem's Kaul had seen rishi Valmiki and he shall give correct time of > composition of Ramayana. >2. Kaul has blissfuly avoided questioning the Lie that you made, this is how it becomes clear that he is an accomplice to your conspiracy. >3. Kaul has earlier not questioned you when you interpolated "Quarter" to meaning of sanskrit term "Navamsa", later on. You admitted that none of disctionaries give "quarter" for the meaning of "navamsa". >4. Kaul has also ridculed the evidence that RNI's surfaced from Kathak Samhita having plaentary details with Nodes, Since, he has no knowledge of Vedic Texts, he said Rahu mention shows a text is written in CEs, Who will teach him that Atharva Veda and Yajurveda both mentions Rahu in it, So, as per that ignorent Kaul's logic, neither Atharva Veda nor Yajurveda is Vedic Texts. >5. Kaul had all his life shouted that all our Purans are interpolated under influence of Greeks, It's just recently that he learnt from those who exposed him that > Chandogya Upnishad refers to Puranas, However, he is yet to learn that Shatpath Brahman also remembers Purans along with several other Vedic Texts. >  >Lisen Ram Chandran, >  >You should be open for more learnings, Look at how your prennts got you name after sri Rama, so respect Ramayana, Full of duality in your karmas, you are not elligible to understand what's Advaita is, stop imitations and prpoganda and efforts to turn Advaita in a narrowminded sect. >  >  >Lalit Mishra > >From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...> >To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; "sivaexpo@..." <sivaexpo@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Cc: > ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; > "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; > "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: > Ramayana > > > >Lalit, > >facts are very clear: The astrological verses about Rama's birth are not considered original by the critical edition of the Ramayana. I had attached scans of those pages, where the astrological verses do not appear in the critical text, only in the apparatus. When it became obvious that you had never heard of textual criticism, I referred you to some introductory pages of the work where it explicitly says that the edition aims at restoring the original version of the Ramayana. Did you ask me for scans of those pages? No, you did not. Did you try to get hold of the book in order to see what was written there? No, you did not. Instead it appears > that you asked all kind of people for their opinion. You obviously prefer to remain ignorant. > >Lalit, are you not interested in modern research about the > original wording of the Ramayana? Why do you not even look into it? > >Right now I am in France and do not have the material with me. I will provide it later this week after my return. I do not expect any insight from you, though. I know you well enough to predict your reaction. Times without number you have denied the existence of what was right in front of your eyes. You have never accepted any of my arguments, no matter how logical and cogent they may have been. Mr. Kaul is completely right when he saysthat people like you do not want to be convinced deliberately. It is useless to discuss with you. > > >Regards > >Dieter > > >From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...> >To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; "sivaexpo@..." <sivaexpo@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Cc: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "bsingh@..." <bsingh@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." > <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; Francious GAUTIER <francoisgautier26@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; A K Kaul <jyotirved@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" > <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma > <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...> >Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:23 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: > Ramayana > > > >Dieter, >  >I critically examined the veracity of your loud statement that you made in below post, I found you > are making a lie, None of the editors of ORI, Baroda, said so, it's you who cleverly manipulating and appending such a wrong conclusion, Why AK Kaul, who begins his posts with "Jai Shree Raama", has ignored your open blatant lie, perhapse, he could be an accomplice to your consipracies. >  >< The astrological verses appear only in versions of the northern recension of the epic and are considered not authentic.> >  >I also critically examined your manipulative and false presentation that ever there was two versions of recensions of Ramayana that ORI, Baroda discovered, It has never been like that, ORI, Baroda, collected 29 manuscripts from various place in whatsoever form they were available with whosoever and for the editor's ease and suitability they editors coined terms like "Northen Recension" and "Southern Recension", There has been no such categorization either in religion or in tradition or in > history, and you, for the sole purpose of misleading the audience kept telling that Astronomical configuratioin of Sri Rama doesn't occur in critical ramayana whereas it does. One of the editors ( V Raghvan) has already wrttien an account on those 29 MSS. used by ORI, Baroda, he says that "Southern Recensions" received the text from the north and didn't remain static. >  >It's also laughable to see you who produced 6 pages of the same Critial Ramayana to make your story without caring copyright act but when it comes for you to produce editor's view on Mutual Relation of the Recensions and their Versions, you make an execuse as, Poor and Sick .. >  >< I also have a few pages from the chapter "Mutual Relation of the Recensions and their Versions". I do not want to include them in this mail because I might violate copyright > >  >So, you live upto your reputation of > doing interpolations and manipulations in Indic texts. >  >Lalit Mishra >From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...> >To: "HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com" <HinduCalendar@yahoogroups.com>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; Lalit Mishra <litsol@...> >Cc: "snjoshy@..." <snjoshy@...>; "akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com" <akandabaratam@yahoogroups.com>; "mukti_marg@..." <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; "ar_sudhirkumar@..." <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; "bsingh@..." <bsingh@...>; "worldbrahmanfederation.canada@..." <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." > <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; "mishra.lalit@..." <mishra.lalit@...>; "sunil_bhattacharjya@..." <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; "gopi.maliwal@..." <gopi.maliwal@...>; "sgtalageri@..." <sgtalageri@...>; "francoisgautier26@..." <francoisgautier26@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:46 AM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: > Ramayana > > > >Hi, > >another promise I have to fulfil... > > >We were discussing Rama's astrolo

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    • Sunil Bhattacharjya
      Dear friends, It is amusing to see what Lalit is saying. Only an idiot will say like Lalit is saying. It is well-known that the American Mastodonts have four
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        Dear friends,

        It is amusing to see what Lalit is saying. Only an idiot will say like Lalit is saying. It is well-known that the American Mastodonts have four tusks : two upper tusks and two lower tusks. 

        In North America, mastodons  were  contemporaneous with historic North American Indian groups. These were found in the Lower Holocene period, i.e. later than 10,000 BCE. Mastodons had a worldwide distribution; their remains are quite common and are often very well preserved. It is believed that they have been killed by human beings and that is why they became extinct.

        As regards the span of the Chaturyuga the Scriptures clearly say that the span of Chaturyuga is 12,000 years and any intelligent person can understand that. Unfortunately for Lalit Mishra he is unable to understand that. 

        Regards,
        Sunil KB


        From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
        Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 12:43 PM
        Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana

        Sunil, You are absolutely wrong on mastdons, Not Mastdons but Gomphotherium had four tusks whose remains are found in Asia and they were roaming around 10 Million Years back, Read below link :
         
         
        Although, it's clear that you are wrong on Amercan Mastodonts, Further, Sri Rama was in India, not in America, So, your citation doesnt help you.
         
        On Yugas, You put your arguments in a document and reconciling all the data available in scriptures, Will see, you then, My response shall crack open an era in history of Indian Astronomy with dependable clarity.
         
        Lalit Mishra

        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "litsol@..." <litsol@...>
        Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:48 AM
        Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
        ha ha ha . Lalit's false assertions will not help. American mastodonts did have four tusks. Like these days all elephants do not have tusks, so also in the ancient times  all the mstodonts did not necessarily have tusks. Lalit comes to argue with his half-baked knowledge depending on Wiukipedia alone.

        Secondly why is Lalit silent now about his insistence that Chaturyuga was 4'320,000 years long. By that also Lord Ram should have been born more than a million years ago and that makes Lord Ram a mythical person. My request to the friends is that please look at the Pauranic Chronology of the Suryavamsha and that will show you the list of descendents of Lord Ram upto Lord Buddfha. Lord Ram was a historical person born about 8,000 years ago and not a mythical person like Lalit wants to prove.


        SKB
        From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
        To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
        Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:59 AM
        Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
         
        Sunil Writes :  [[ Lalit Mishra is not aware that the mastodonts with four tusks were roaming the Earth ]]
         
        That's a false statement that Sunil made, mastodonts didn't have four tusks, Sunil is given url to correct himself, however, it's his choice, He can imitate Kaul and keep on posting false statments, No issues
         
         
        If Valmiki has said that Sri Rama incarnated in Treta, We shall follow Valmiki, Valmiki has also given another data that Sri Rama ruled for 10,000 Varsha ( Years), Sunil is expected to present his argument with correct textual and archaeological evidences reconciling other related citations made by Valmiki, in lack of his doing that, We shall keep ignoring him.
         
        Lalit Mishra


        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
        Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:09 AM
        Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
        Dear friends,

        1)
        Lalit Mishra is not aware that the mastodonts with four tusks were roaming the Earth as late as about 8,000 years ago .In my earlier mails I already gave the details, when there was such a debate with Srinandan.  Lalit's Wikipedia-based knowledge will not convince anybody.

        He advocates a Chatiuryuga span of 4320,000 years, which makes Lord Ram, who was on the earth in the Treta yuga a mythical person living more than a million years ago. Lalit Mishra has failed to produce the list of kings from Lord Ram to his descendent Brihadbala, who died in the Mahabharata war. Yet he does not have shame.
        2)
        He writes as follows;
        QuoteDon't tamper and mislead ....
        Unquote

        Why should I lose temper. I am rather amused at his foolishness.

        Regards,
        Sunil KB



        From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
        To: "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; "litsol@..." <litsol@...>
        Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:20 PM
        Subject: Re: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
         
        You have already lost your arguments on Four Tusk Elephents cited by Valmiki in Ramayana, Gomphotherium had four tusk whose remains are found in Asia and they were roaming around 10 Million Years back
         
         
        You had been incorrectly twisting the facts and stating that Mastodon as four tusk elephants whereas they are not
         
         
        Even with reduction of time span to 10,000 or 12,000 Yrs or even to 200 Yrs, no merit, no proofs you present in terms of historicity.

        Don't tamper and mislead ....
         

        From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>
        To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; "jayasree.saranathan@..." <jayasree.saranathan@...>; jyotishgroup <jyotishgroup@yahoogroups.com>; "artizarrak@..." <artizarrak@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...>; ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; "> "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; "> "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>
        Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:48 PM
        Subject: [advaitin] Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
         
        Let us see how one can prove Ram to be historical person by adhering to the Chaturyuha span of 4,230,000 years. Suryavamsha and Chandravamsha lists of the puranas show the compatibilty of a Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only.  Shobhan Ganji, who gave a call (a terrorising call) in the Internet to beat me up very badly just because I did not not agree with the Chaturyuga span of 4320,000 years.  I believe only in a chaturyuga span of 12,000 solar years. Let Shobhan Ganji and his follower Lalit  Mishra prove the compatibility of the Chaturyuga  span of 4,320,000 years with the birth of a historical Rama by giving the geneological list of Loird Ram's descendents upto Brihadbala (a descendent of Lord Ram), who died in the Mahabharata war. I find that the  Pauranic genealogical lists from Lord Ram to his descendent Brihadbala, who died in the Mahabharata war, show the compatibility of the Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only. The list from Lord Ram to Lord Krishna also prove the compatibilty of the Chaturyuga span of 12,000 years only. The people like Shobhan Ganji and Lalit Mishra do not even know that the Pauranic lists were not made by using the Wikipedia lists. Anybody with common sense knows that Wikipedia information are edited by different people inserting information, which they think to be right and that cannot contest the data of the Puranas. 

        Sincerely,
        Sunil KB
        From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>
        To: shobhan_ganji@...; litsol@...; sunil_bhattacharjya@...; shivkhokra@...; jayasree.saranathan@...
        Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:28 PM
        Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
        Don't worry Shobhan, He means, unless Sri Ram's time is confined with 12,000 yrs, Sri Ram is mythological. Declaring Sri Ram was anywhere before 12,000 yrs will make Ram historical. I shall be sending vedic mantras showing planets tonight, right now, I have some work in LIC office. His wikipedia list of Ikshvaku kings doesn't help, I have documented issues in wikipedia list that he doesn't know, have also collected cortective information that may help in reconstruction of the list, if somebody takes up that project tomorrow. Let's collate the textual evidences surfaced in this debate as Shivaraj Ji wants. These matters are very critical, very sensitive, demands utmost care and accountability, that these guys don't have. Ignore him. ------------------------------ On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 10:50 AM IST shobhan ganji wrote: > > >Sunil Bhattacharya you are big manipulator and fraud and you have no right to call me indirectly a fraud. Shivraj ji is a learned scholar let us present your theory and my theory and we will see who is right and who is wrong. It is amazing to see you calling me a terrorist. Don't you think I can use similar abusive language and label you with names if need be to make you shut. However, for bringing out truth, I am giving one more opportunity to let truth come to open . If you have guts and honesty , you present your interpretation to Shivraj ji and I will present my interpretation and evidence to him and we will see on whose side the truth is there. If you want to take the discussion to the next level of abusive language and foul playing or if you want to come to a saner position and argue peacefully with an expert like Shivraj ji , it is your choice.  > >________________________________ > From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...> >To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...> >Cc: AK Kaul <jyotirved@...> >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 6:23 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana > > > >Thank you Dieter. The astrological data in the Ramayana on the birth of Lord Ram have tremendous importance only to the people like me, but not for those people who believe that the span of the Chaturyuga is 4,320,000 years. You may know that because of advocating a span of 12,000 Solar years as the span of the Chaturyuga, one terrorist masquerading as a gentleman had even given a public call to beat me up. That is because, with that kind of calculation Lord Ram becomes a mythical figure born more than a million years ago.  > >Regards, >Sunil KB > > > >________________________________ > From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...> >To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; "sunil_bhattacharjya@..." <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "shobhan_ganji@..." <shobhan_ganji@...>; "shivkhokra@..." <shivkhokra@...> >Cc: AK Kaul <jyotirved@...> >Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:48 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana > > > >Hi, > > >I attach the following PDFs: > >1. ramayana_crited_intro.pdf contains the introductory pages about the >recensions and variants of the epic. Lalit, if there is a minimum of >intellectual honesty in you, you will carefully read it and learn what >is the nature of this critical text edition. > > >2. ramayana_crited_astro.pdf contains the pages that I have sent you already. I am adding them for Sunil. > >Dieter > > >________________________________ > > From: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...> >To: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; "sivaexpo@..." <sivaexpo@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Cc: ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; > "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; > "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:30 PM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: Ramayana
        > > > >Dieter, >  >Facts are very
        clear that even if  you repeat your lie umpteen'th times, that won't become a > truth, Not a single scanned pages that you supplied says that Sri Ram's birth data is "NOT ORIGINAL" nor those editors ever attempted saying so, It's you who is trying to interpolate a lie and labeling a false story that has no base, I have reattached one of the scan page of critical edition of Ramayana that rather says that the particular verse is damagged contrary to your lie "NOT ORIGINAL". >  >I have examined the facts and collected papers written by those editors and then came forward to expose you and kaul are telling lie. >  >I had seen your tomboy AK Kaul's support extended to you against Valmiki's Ramayana, he says that Ramayana was not revealed millions of years, his comments reflect : >  >1. Kaul knows correct antiquity of Ramayana and Valmiki's revealation that Ramayana was composed in Treta is wrong, Seem's Kaul had seen rishi Valmiki and he shall give correct time of > composition of Ramayana. >2. Kaul has blissfuly avoided questioning the Lie that you made, this is how it becomes clear that he is an accomplice to your conspiracy. >3. Kaul has earlier not questioned you when you interpolated "Quarter" to meaning of sanskrit term "Navamsa", later on. You admitted that none of disctionaries give "quarter" for the meaning of "navamsa". >4. Kaul has also ridculed the evidence that RNI's surfaced from Kathak Samhita having plaentary details with Nodes, Since, he has no knowledge of Vedic Texts, he said Rahu mention shows a text is written in CEs, Who will teach him that Atharva Veda and Yajurveda both mentions Rahu in it, So, as per that ignorent Kaul's logic, neither Atharva Veda nor Yajurveda is Vedic Texts. >5. Kaul had all his life shouted that all our Purans are interpolated under influence of Greeks, It's just recently that he learnt from those who exposed him that > Chandogya Upnishad refers to Puranas, However, he is yet to learn that Shatpath Brahman also remembers Purans along with several other Vedic Texts. >  >Lisen Ram Chandran, >  >You should be open for more learnings, Look at how your prennts got you name after sri Rama, so respect Ramayana, Full of duality in your karmas, you are not elligible to understand what's Advaita is, stop imitations and prpoganda and efforts to turn Advaita in a narrowminded sect. >  >  >Lalit Mishra > >From: Dieter Koch <artizarrak@...> >To: Lalit Mishra <litsol@...>; shobhan ganji <shobhan_ganji@...>; "sivaexpo@..." <sivaexpo@...>; "brijshrivastava@..." <brijshrivastava@...>; deepak <deepak.gore@...>; deshmukh <deshmukhv@...>; "jyotirved@..." <jyotirved@...> >Cc: > ram mohan anantha pai <pairamblr@...>; "somnathsshenoy@..." <somnathsshenoy@...>; Krishna Joshi <snjoshy@...>; mukti marg <mukti_marg@...>; "srinandan@..." <srinandan@...>; ancient indian astrology <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>; ar sudhirkumar <ar_sudhirkumar@...>; worldbrahmanfederation canada <worldbrahmanfederation.canada@...>; "bharathgyan@..." <bharathgyan@...>; "bibhumisra@..." <bibhumisra@...>; "ancientarchaeologist@..." <ancientarchaeologist@...>; "hariom4959@..." <hariom4959@...>; "gayatridevivasudev@..." <gayatridevivasudev@...>; "aareni@..." <aareni@...>; "mail@..." <mail@...>; "giravani@..." <giravani@...>; "indianarchaeology@..." <indianarchaeology@...>; "kalyan97@..." <kalyan97@...>; > "vedakavi@..." <vedakavi@...>; "padmakarvartak@..." <padmakarvartak@...>; mishra lalit <mishra.lalit@...>; sunil bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@...>; "veerankp@..." <veerankp@...>; gopi maliwal <gopi.maliwal@...>; Shrikant Talageri <sgtalageri@...>; "sohum@..." <sohum@...>; Narahari B Achar (nachar) <nachar@...>; "koenraad.elst@..." <koenraad.elst@...>; koenraad_elst <koenraad.elst@...>; Rajesh Kochhar <rkochhar2000@...>; shivraj singh <shivkhokra@...>; "dilip.dhopavkar@..." <dilip.dhopavkar@...>; "advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin-owner@yahoogroups.com>; "advaitin@yahoogroups.com" <advaitin@yahoogroups.com>; "kuntimaddisada@..." <kuntimaddisada@...>; "putranm4@..." <putranm4@...>; "sriram257@..." <sriram257@...>; "profvk@..." <profvk@...>; > "sriram_sapthasathi@..." <sriram_sapthasathi@...>; "subrahmanian_v@..." <subrahmanian_v@...>; "advaitins@..." <advaitins@...>; "narayana145@..." <narayana145@...>; "mails4santosh@..." <mails4santosh@...>; SVB <tadit369@...>; Sridhar Govindan <appulali@...>; Sanjay Kumar <sanjay.kumar@...>; Saptarishis Astrology <admin@...>; "kn_rao@..." <kn_rao@...>; "knrastro@..." <knrastro@...>; "a_jagawat@..." <a_jagawat@...>; "a_sharma07@..." <a_sharma07@...>; Deepak Bisaria <deepakbisaria@...>; A Sharma <asharrmanj@...>; "airavat15@..." <airavat15@...> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [HinduCalendar] Re: >

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