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  • dushyant trivedi
    Dear Raj Bhardwaj, The article is interesting. In recent past we had discussed Shri Narendra Modi s horoscope and some of the readers are of the opinion that
    Message 1 of 30 , Dec 25, 2012
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      Dear Raj Bhardwaj,

      The article is interesting. In recent past we had discussed Shri Narendra Modi's horoscope and some of the readers are of the opinion that his ascendant is Libra and others are of the opinion that his ascendant is Scorpio.

      We need to have birth details of Shri Rahul Gandhi.

      Just like in the past during the reign of Kings it was always the Prince would become King. In astrology also it is stated that prediction should be given based on Desh Kaal and Kutumbha. In such a case Rahul Gandhi has an edge as he has better Lineage as compared to Shri Narendra Modi other things remaining the same.

      Hope to get the birth details of Shri Rahul Gandhi.

      D. D. Trivedi



      From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
      To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, 25 December 2012 7:31 PM
      Subject: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi

       
      Dear Sunil Ji,
      Namaste,
      I have gone thro the very interesting thread between you and Shibu Ji. Of late there is lot of discussion going on here and there, Groups,Media,News Channels. This has been picking up more ineterest all over, especially after loss of Congress in the Gujrat polls; and the sense of deep anger ,pain and anguish, the way UPA is handeling the issue of one of the most ghastly rape in Delhi.
      I have Rahul Gandhi's chart and have been noting quite a number of interesting points, from his chart, for about 2 years.Though, it is appropriate time to share my analysis in the group, however, to start the discussion I am giving below an article, from where we can take on the subject, collectively. I feel you and all members will find it worth discussion. Here I go with the article,which I have compressed, so that we can concentrate only on the major issue under discussion.
      My best wishes and regards
      Raj Bhardwaj
      THE ARTICLE : "In person, Modi comes across as an effective administrator, a proud Indian nationalist, and a committed if not zealous Hindu. He also is a policy maven—introverted, precise, and even passionate about the most technical of subjects. On almost all of these issues, his Gujarat is pushing, not following, New Delhi and India.
      "Modi may be branded by the (2002) riots, but Gujarat's economic performance is without peer in India, growing an average 10% each year for a decade. According to state published reports, pledged investments have grown from 76 MOUs amounting to $14 billion in 2003, to nearly 8,000 MOUs signed in 2011 for $450 billion. That is faster
      growth than almost any place on earth, including most of China."
      In comparison to the praises showered on Mr. Modi, the US Congressional Report made a passing mention about the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family. "Many expect (Rahul) Gandhi to be put forward as Congress's prime ministerial candidate in scheduled 2014 elections. Yet this heir-apparent remains dogged by questions about his abilities to lead the party, given a mixed record as an election strategist, uneasy style in public appearances, and reputation for gaffes."
      But it is too early to write off Mr. Rahul Gandhi. The charisma of Gandhi-Nehru family manages to hold together the Congress party that presently does not have any broadly acceptable leader other than his mother Ms Sonia Gandhi (who figures at 7th position in the recent Forbes list of world's most powerful women). Some speculate that Sonia, or her daughter Ms Priyanka Vadra, may be the dark horse at a later stage. But then there is the mystery of Sonia Gandhi's unknown illness that could affect her performance. And Priyanka is unlikely to cope with the electoral battle if her name crops up late.
      Interestingly, both Mr. Narendra Modi and Mr. Rahul Gandhi are bachelors, but a study in contrast. Mr. Modi, 62, is a postgraduate in political science from Gujarat University, and a seasoned grassroots top BJP leader known for his austere RSS-style living. In July 2007, he became the longest serving Chief Minister in Gujarat's history when he had been in power for 2063 days continuously. He was elected again for a third term on 23 December 2007 in the state elections, which he had cast as a "referendum on his rule."
      Mr. Rahul Gandhi had his education in elite schools and universities (St.Columba's/Doon/Harvard/Cambridge), entered politics in 2004, gained good experience in Congress party affairs, and enjoys all the good things that life offers. After graduation, Mr. Gandhi worked at a management consulting firm in London. In 2002 he was one of the directors of Mumbai-based technology outsourcing firm.
      In May 2004 elections, Mr. Rahul Gandhi won the Amethi Lok Sabha seat with a landslide majority and entered India's Parliament as an elected Member. In the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, Mr. Gandhi retained his Amethi seat. Although the media keeps talking contemptuously about India's dynastic politics, Mr. Rahul Gandhi has now emerged from his parents' shadow.
      Now guess who would be a suitable boy for India – Rahul or Narendra? Difficult to say…and depends on an individual's ideology or personal preference. I took a simpler and fun route…of astrology. Ms Suzanne White's famous Chinese astrology book provides a detailed insight into the character of the people born under particular Chinese birth signs. Mr. Modi, according to the Chinese astrology (based on animal signs), happens to be a `Tiger', and Mr. Rahul Gandhi a `Dog'.
      Excerpts from Ms Suzanne White's book: Mr. Narendra Modi is "a `Tiger'- principled, straight arrow, conservative and energetic, yet he maintains his charm. He's a powerhouse of energy and a doer of grand deeds. He is not one to leave projects unfinished. He's a bulldozer with the engine of a tank and the scope of at least sixteen aircraft carriers.
      "You cannot get him to sit down and spill his thoughts or hash out feelings. Other people's needs and the ramifications of complex emotional situations seem to escape this Tiger's notice. "This Tiger is a creature of legendary magnetism – not classically handsome or even sexy, but more like a charismatic Pied Piper who knows instinctively how to convince his audience and recruit the minds of others in his quest for superiority. It's no surprise that Charles de Gaulle was a Metal Tiger. This is a tough leader type who stops at nothing to reach his ends. He knows precisely where to aim for the jugular."  Mr. Modi shares his birth sign with Charles de Gaulle and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
      In Chinese astrology, Mr. Rahul Gandhi is a `Dog'. "This is the Dog who wants to change the world – at least his own world. He's strong-minded as well as generous and self-sacrificing. He's a brave, gallant person whose sole reason for being on this earth is to stalk the holy grail of perfection…They are logical, zealous, methodical
      and rigorous. They do not believe in violence or upheaval, feeling that gentler, more civilized methods can and do work…" Mr. Rahul Gandhi shares his birth sign with Mother Teresa, Jacques Cousteau, Akira Kurosawa, Andre Agassi, and Jennifer Lopez.
      So, in the near future, the Indian public could be treated to an exciting battle between India's two celebrated bachelors – a `Tiger' and a `Dog'. With a baited breath, the nation is awaiting public verdict; the sooner this is delivered the better! (Courtesy Daily Post, Chandigarh) 
       


    • Sunil Nair
      Dear shri Raj bhardwaj JI   I happy to see u interested in astro –discussions and I hope whole grp will Join soon and will giv their views without any worry
      Message 2 of 30 , Dec 25, 2012
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        Dear shri Raj bhardwaj JI
         
        I happy to see u interested in astro –discussions and I hope whole grp will Join soon and will giv their views without any worry or fear
         
        Let us b go wrong ,who cares ,after all we testing various dictums
         
        As requested by shri trivedi Ji pls share the birth data u hav then I may also join when ever I find time
         
        Hope those who complaints No discussions happening in grp will also Join and I wanted to see wheter they can perform when I am not active and I don’t want such scenario to happen again and hence I am limiting my comments here
         
        A baby has to walk on its own and I don’t blv in parenting Like a 60 yrs old wants still 90 yr old dad to support him which is  more common in Indian households which we calls as Indian family value which is pure dependence and lack of leadership qualities and simple slavish tendency 
         
         
        Rgrds sunil nair  

        --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj"  wrote:
        >

        > Dear Sunil Ji,

        > Namaste,

        > I have gone thro the very interesting thread between you and Shibu Ji.
        > Of late there is lot of discussion going on here and there,
        > Groups,Media,News Channels. This has been picking up more ineterest all
        > over, especially after loss of Congress in the Gujrat polls; and the
        > sense of deep anger ,pain and anguish, the way UPA is handeling the
        > issue of one of the most ghastly rape in Delhi.

        > I have Rahul Gandhi's chart and have been noting quite a number of
        > interesting points, from his chart, for about 2 years.Though, it is
        > appropriate time to share my analysis in the group, however, to start
        > the discussion I am giving below an article, from where we can take on
        > the subject, collectively. I feel you and all members will find it worth
        > discussion. Here I go with the article,which I have compressed, so that
        > we can concentrate only on the major issue under discussion.

        > My best wishes and regards

        > Raj Bhardwaj

        > THE ARTICLE : "In person, Modi comes across as an effective
        > administrator, a proud Indian nationalist, and a committed if not
        > zealous Hindu. He also is a policy maven—introverted, precise, and
        > even passionate about the most technical of subjects. On almost all of
        > these issues, his Gujarat is pushing, not following, New Delhi and
        > India.

        > "Modi may be branded by the (2002) riots, but Gujarat's economic
        > performance is without peer in India, growing an average 10% each year
        > for a decade. According to state published reports, pledged investments
        > have grown from 76 MOUs amounting to $14 billion in 2003, to nearly
        > 8,000 MOUs signed in 2011 for $450 billion. That is faster
        > growth than almost any place on earth, including most of China."

        > In comparison to the praises showered on Mr. Modi, the US Congressional
        > Report made a passing mention about the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi
        > family. "Many expect (Rahul) Gandhi to be put forward as
        > Congress's prime ministerial candidate in scheduled 2014 elections.
        > Yet this heir-apparent remains dogged by questions about his abilities
        > to lead the party, given a mixed record as an election strategist,
        > uneasy style in public appearances, and reputation for gaffes."

        > But it is too early to write off Mr. Rahul Gandhi. The charisma of
        > Gandhi-Nehru family manages to hold together the Congress party that
        > presently does not have any broadly acceptable leader other than his
        > mother Ms Sonia Gandhi (who figures at 7th position in the recent Forbes
        > list of world's most powerful women). Some speculate that Sonia, or
        > her daughter Ms Priyanka Vadra, may be the dark horse at a later stage.
        > But then there is the mystery of Sonia Gandhi's unknown illness that
        > could affect her performance. And Priyanka is unlikely to cope with the
        > electoral battle if her name crops up late.

        > Interestingly, both Mr. Narendra Modi and Mr. Rahul Gandhi are
        > bachelors, but a study in contrast. Mr. Modi, 62, is a postgraduate in
        > political science from Gujarat University, and a seasoned grassroots top
        > BJP leader known for his austere RSS-style living. In July 2007, he
        > became the longest serving Chief Minister in Gujarat's history when
        > he had been in power for 2063 days continuously. He was elected again
        > for a third term on 23 December 2007 in the state elections, which he
        > had cast as a "referendum on his rule."

        > Mr. Rahul Gandhi had his education in elite schools and universities
        > (St.Columba's/Doon/Harvard/Cambridge), entered politics in 2004,
        > gained good experience in Congress party affairs, and enjoys all the
        > good things that life offers. After graduation, Mr. Gandhi worked at a
        > management consulting firm in London. In 2002 he was one of the
        > directors of Mumbai-based technology outsourcing firm.

        > In May 2004 elections, Mr. Rahul Gandhi won the Amethi Lok Sabha seat
        > with a landslide majority and entered India's Parliament as an
        > elected Member. In the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, Mr. Gandhi retained his
        > Amethi seat. Although the media keeps talking contemptuously about
        > India's dynastic politics, Mr. Rahul Gandhi has now emerged from his
        > parents' shadow.

        > Now guess who would be a suitable boy for India – Rahul or Narendra?
        > Difficult to say…and depends on an individual's ideology or
        > personal preference. I took a simpler and fun route…of astrology. Ms
        > Suzanne White's famous Chinese astrology book provides a detailed
        > insight into the character of the people born under particular Chinese
        > birth signs. Mr. Modi, according to the Chinese astrology (based on
        > animal signs), happens to be a `Tiger', and Mr. Rahul Gandhi a
        > `Dog'.

        > Excerpts from Ms Suzanne White's book: 
        > Mr. Narendra Modi is "a `Tiger'- principled, straight arrow,
        > conservative and energetic, yet he maintains his charm. He's a
        > powerhouse of energy and a doer of grand deeds. He is not one to leave
        > projects unfinished. He's a bulldozer with the engine of a tank and
        > the scope of at least sixteen aircraft carriers.

        > "You cannot get him to sit down and spill his thoughts or hash out
        > feelings. Other people's needs and the ramifications of complex
        > emotional situations seem to escape this Tiger's notice. "This
        > Tiger is a creature of legendary magnetism – not classically
        > handsome or even sexy, but more like a charismatic Pied Piper who knows
        > instinctively how to convince his audience and recruit the minds of
        > others in his quest for superiority. It's no surprise that Charles
        > de Gaulle was a Metal Tiger. This is a tough leader type who stops at
        > nothing to reach his ends. He knows precisely where to aim for the
        > jugular." Mr. Modi shares his birth sign with Charles de Gaulle and
        > Dwight D. Eisenhower.

        > In Chinese astrology, Mr. Rahul Gandhi is a `Dog'. "This is
        > the Dog who wants to change the world – at least his own world.
        > He's strong-minded as well as generous and self-sacrificing.
        > He's a brave, gallant person whose sole reason for being on this
        > earth is to stalk the holy grail of perfection…They are logical,
        > zealous, methodical
        > and rigorous. They do not believe in violence or upheaval, feeling that
        > gentler, more civilized methods can and do work…" Mr. Rahul Gandhi
        > shares his birth sign with Mother Teresa, Jacques Cousteau, Akira
        > Kurosawa, Andre Agassi, and Jennifer Lopez.

        > So, in the near future, the Indian public could be treated to an
        > exciting battle between India's two celebrated bachelors – a
        > `Tiger' and a `Dog'. With a baited breath, the nation is
        > awaiting public verdict; the sooner this is delivered the better!
        > (Courtesy Daily Post, Chandigarh)
        >
      • Raj
        Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji, Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi, which I have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to
        Message 3 of 30 , Dec 25, 2012
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          Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,

          Namaste ! I am giving below  the birth details of Rahul Gandhi, which I have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to  match  with a few events.  During past 2 years a number of events have been discussed by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their "Circle". However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different time of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of great help for an healthy discussion.

          Date : June 19, 1970
          Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi

          With my best wishes and regards.

          Raj Bhardwaj

           

           

          --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
          >
          > Dear Raj Bhardwaj,
          >
          > The article is interesting. In recent past we had discussed Shri Narendra Modi's horoscope and some of the readers are of the opinion that his ascendant is Libra and others are of the opinion that his ascendant is Scorpio.
          >
          > We need to have birth details of Shri Rahul Gandhi.
          >
          > Just like in the past during the reign of Kings it was always the Prince would become King. In astrology also it is stated that prediction should be given based on Desh Kaal and Kutumbha. In such a case Rahul Gandhi has an edge as he has better Lineage as compared to Shri Narendra Modi other things remaining the same.
          >
          > Hope to get the birth details of Shri Rahul Gandhi.
          >
          > D. D. Trivedi
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ________________________________
          > From: Raj rajbhardwaj1949@...
          > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Tuesday, 25 December 2012 7:31 PM
          > Subject: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
          >
          >
          >  
          > Dear Sunil Ji,
          > Namaste,
          > I have gone thro the very interesting thread between you and Shibu Ji. Of late there is lot of discussion going on here and there, Groups,Media,News Channels. This has been picking up more ineterest all over, especially after loss of Congress in the Gujrat polls; and the sense of deep anger ,pain and anguish, the way UPA is handeling the issue of one of the most ghastly rape in Delhi.
          > I have Rahul Gandhi's chart and have been noting quite a number of interesting points, from his chart, for about 2 years.Though, it is appropriate time to share my analysis in the group, however, to start the discussion I am giving below an article, from where we can take on the subject, collectively. I feel you and all members will find it worth discussion. Here I go with the article,which I have compressed, so that we can concentrate only on the major issue under discussion.
          > My best wishes and regards
          > Raj Bhardwaj
          > THE ARTICLE : "In person, Modi comes across as an effective administrator, a proud Indian nationalist, and a committed if not zealous Hindu. He also is a policy mavenâ€"introverted, precise, and even passionate about the most technical of subjects. On almost all of these issues, his Gujarat is pushing, not following, New Delhi and India."Modi may be branded by the (2002) riots, but Gujarat's economic performance is without peer in India, growing an average 10% each year for a decade. According to state published reports, pledged investments have grown from 76 MOUs amounting to $14 billion in 2003, to nearly 8,000 MOUs signed in 2011 for $450 billion. That is faster
          > growth than almost any place on earth, including most of China."
          > In comparison to the praises showered on Mr. Modi, the US Congressional Report made a passing mention about the scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family. "Many expect (Rahul) Gandhi to be put forward as Congress's prime ministerial candidate in scheduled 2014 elections. Yet this heir-apparent remains dogged by questions about his abilities to lead the party, given a mixed record as an election strategist, uneasy style in public appearances, and reputation for gaffes."
          > But it is too early to write off Mr. Rahul Gandhi. The charisma of Gandhi-Nehru family manages to hold together the Congress party that presently does not have any broadly acceptable leader other than his mother Ms Sonia Gandhi (who figures at 7th position in the recent Forbes list of world's most powerful women). Some speculate that Sonia, or her daughter Ms Priyanka Vadra, may be the dark horse at a later stage. But then there is the mystery of Sonia Gandhi's unknown illness that could affect her performance. And Priyanka is unlikely to cope with the electoral battle if her name crops up late.
          > Interestingly, both Mr. Narendra Modi and Mr. Rahul Gandhi are bachelors, but a study in contrast. Mr. Modi, 62, is a postgraduate in political science from Gujarat University, and a seasoned grassroots top BJP leader known for his austere RSS-style living. In July 2007, he became the longest serving Chief Minister in Gujarat's history when he had been in power for 2063 days continuously. He was elected again for a third term on 23 December 2007 in the state elections, which he had cast as a "referendum on his rule."
          > Mr. Rahul Gandhi had his education in elite schools and universities (St.Columba's/Doon/Harvard/Cambridge), entered politics in 2004, gained good experience in Congress party affairs, and enjoys all the good things that life offers. After graduation, Mr. Gandhi worked at a management consulting firm in London. In 2002 he was one of the directors of Mumbai-based technology outsourcing firm.
          > In May 2004 elections, Mr. Rahul Gandhi won the Amethi Lok Sabha seat with a landslide majority and entered India's Parliament as an elected Member. In the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, Mr. Gandhi retained his Amethi seat. Although the media keeps talking contemptuously about India's dynastic politics, Mr. Rahul Gandhi has now emerged from his parents' shadow.
          > Now guess who would be a suitable boy for India â€" Rahul or Narendra? Difficult to say…and depends on an individual's ideology or personal preference. I took a simpler and fun route…of astrology. Ms Suzanne White's famous Chinese astrology book provides a detailed insight into the character of the people born under particular Chinese birth signs. Mr. Modi, according to the Chinese astrology (based on animal signs), happens to be a `Tiger', and Mr. Rahul Gandhi a `Dog'.
          > Excerpts from Ms Suzanne White's book: Mr. Narendra Modi is "a `Tiger'- principled, straight arrow, conservative and energetic, yet he maintains his charm. He's a powerhouse of energy and a doer of grand deeds. He is not one to leave projects unfinished. He's a bulldozer with the engine of a tank and the scope of at least sixteen aircraft carriers.
          > "You cannot get him to sit down and spill his thoughts or hash out feelings. Other people's needs and the ramifications of complex emotional situations seem to escape this Tiger's notice. "This Tiger is a creature of legendary magnetism â€" not classically handsome or even sexy, but more like a charismatic Pied Piper who knows instinctively how to convince his audience and recruit the minds of others in his quest for superiority. It's no surprise that Charles de Gaulle was a Metal Tiger. This is a tough leader type who stops at nothing to reach his ends. He knows precisely where to aim for the jugular."  Mr. Modi shares his birth sign with Charles de Gaulle and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
          > In Chinese astrology, Mr. Rahul Gandhi is a `Dog'. "This is the Dog who wants to change the world â€" at least his own world. He's strong-minded as well as generous and self-sacrificing. He's a brave, gallant person whose sole reason for being on this earth is to stalk the holy grail of perfection…They are logical, zealous, methodical
          > and rigorous. They do not believe in violence or upheaval, feeling that gentler, more civilized methods can and do work…" Mr. Rahul Gandhi shares his birth sign with Mother Teresa, Jacques Cousteau, Akira Kurosawa, Andre Agassi, and Jennifer Lopez.
          > So, in the near future, the Indian public could be treated to an exciting battle between India's two celebrated bachelors â€" a `Tiger' and a `Dog'. With a baited breath, the nation is awaiting public verdict; the sooner this is delivered the better! (Courtesy Daily Post, Chandigarh) 
          >  
          >

        • Sunil
          Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji Namaskar Many thanks for the data I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i
          Message 4 of 30 , Dec 26, 2012
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            Dear shri  Raj Bhardwaj Ji


            Namaskar 

             

            Many thanks for the data

             

            I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it 

             

            Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it

             

            Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will try to speack up and help in discussion 

             

            Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by  me  I was not after some name tho many keep silent later  even after the event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for  pop astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts which is proven many times 

             

            Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him and done some predictions  tho the poster himself is vanished after his agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend on them and heir pet theories 

             

            Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if  u cater 1000 times then response will b same

             

            Rgrds sunil nair

             

            --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
            >
            > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi, which I
            > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with a
            > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been discussed
            > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their "Circle".
            > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different time
            > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of great
            > help for an healthy discussion.
            >
            >
            > Date : June 19, 1970
            > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
            >
            > With my best wishes and regards.
            >
            > Raj Bhardwaj
            >
            >
          • Raj
            Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji, I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens to almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not
            Message 5 of 30 , Dec 27, 2012
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              Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,

              I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens to almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.

              Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.

              (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :-  There is no change in the chart ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of  Cancer.  In D-9, the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha of Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.

              (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are  in 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem. The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In  present MD of Moon , the Antar of Shani is from     21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.

              (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different Balas are also same,say for some  very minor difference.

              (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16) is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in both the vargas.

              (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same in both the charts.

              (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in both the charts.

              What I feel that as other members would also participate in this thread, we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we take it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.

              If  you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this case, while analysing political career , we may  take care of  Moon and Mercury, respectively.

              I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.

              I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All. 

              With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.

              Raj Bhardwaj

              --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
              >
              >
              > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Namaskar
              >
              >
              >
              > Many thanks for the data
              >
              >
              >
              > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
              > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
              >
              >
              >
              > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
              >
              >
              >
              > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will try
              > to speack up and help in discussion
              >
              >
              >
              > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by me
              > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
              > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
              > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts which
              > is proven many times
              >
              >
              >
              > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him and
              > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
              > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend on
              > them and heir pet theories
              >
              >
              >
              > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000 times
              > then response will b same
              >
              >
              >
              > Rgrds sunil nair
              >
              >
              > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
              > >
              > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi, which
              > I
              > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with a
              > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
              > discussed
              > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their "Circle".
              > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
              > time
              > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
              > great
              > > help for an healthy discussion.
              > >
              > >
              > > Date : June 19, 1970
              > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
              > >
              > > With my best wishes and regards.
              > >
              > > Raj Bhardwaj
              > >
              > >
              >

            • Sunil
              Dear Raj bhardwaj JI Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me and i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the
              Message 6 of 30 , Dec 27, 2012
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                Dear Raj bhardwaj JI


                Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me  and i dont care any threatening as  that can stop me frm telling the truth and exposing the frauds 

                ,this year i will make money frm enemies  who has sani +rahu transiting on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose their teeth like they bite iron pillar  and will hav to do a public apology also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care ,One pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,

                 

                Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart

                 

                I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i will go tru my methods 

                 

                Now we need to see the events in his which is major one

                 

                His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of dad died

                 

                Means a sort of curse on family is there

                 

                So we need to trace it birth chart  b4 Jumping on predicting  any further ,what do u say ??  Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood ) 

                 

                Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some secrets revealed

                 

                Main secret of  success in astrology is hard work

                 

                Rgrds sunil nair

                 

                --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                >
                >
                > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                >
                > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens to
                > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                >
                > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                >
                > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In D-9,
                > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha of
                > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                >
                > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are in
                > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem.
                > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the Antar
                > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                >
                > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different
                > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                >
                > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16)
                > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in
                > both the vargas.
                >
                > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same in
                > both the charts.
                >
                > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in both
                > the charts.
                >
                > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this thread,
                > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we take
                > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.
                >
                > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this case,
                > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                > Mercury, respectively.
                >
                > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                >
                > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                >
                > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                >
                > Raj Bhardwaj
                > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Namaskar
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Many thanks for the data
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
                > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will
                > try
                > > to speack up and help in discussion
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by me
                > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
                > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                > which
                > > is proven many times
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him and
                > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend
                > on
                > > them and heir pet theories
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000 times
                > > then response will b same
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Rgrds sunil nair
                > >
                > >
                > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                > > >
                > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi, which
                > > I
                > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with a
                > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                > > discussed
                > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                > "Circle".
                > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
                > > time
                > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
                > > great
                > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                > > >
                > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                > > >
                > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Raj
                Dear Sunil Ji and all members,, I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi, systematically. D-1 Chart : 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV
                Message 7 of 30 , Dec 28, 2012
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                  Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,

                  I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi, systematically.


                  D-1 Chart :  1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart

                  Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK ,  Sun is Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK  in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh  is in 12th house.

                  Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).

                  Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha,  with Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.

                  For other planets let us  consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in mystry.

                  Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the Mercury(being the  lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of the jataka has strentgh of just 2.

                  Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and Jupiter are in BALA Awastha,  Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita Awastha.

                  In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha, Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in Jagrita Awastha.

                  In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).  Here also It would be  pertinent to gather few facts that  the PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family. 
                  In the Activity
                  stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning), Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of Dancing).

                  The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun  and Jupiter are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.

                  Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.

                   AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will face  limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to perform certain work efficiently. 

                  ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may not be able to react to situations in positive manner.

                  MOOD or ATTITUDE:-  MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain  peacuful.  SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.  DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be depressive.  DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.

                  AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.

                  JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and noble path.

                  MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.

                  MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.

                  MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.

                  VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and opulent.

                  RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)

                  Next in Part-II

                  A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be able to attend such requests henceforth)

                  With my regards and best wisshes

                  Raj Bhardwaj

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   


                   

                  --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me and
                  > i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the truth
                  > and exposing the frauds
                  >
                  > ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu transiting
                  > on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose their
                  > teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                  > also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care ,One
                  > pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                  > his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i
                  > will go tru my methods
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of dad
                  > died
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Means a sort of curse on family is there
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                  > further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get
                  > married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some secrets
                  > revealed
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Rgrds sunil nair
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                  > >
                  > > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens
                  > to
                  > > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                  > > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                  > > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                  > >
                  > > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                  > > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                  > > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                  > >
                  > > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                  > > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                  > > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                  > D-9,
                  > > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                  > > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha
                  > of
                  > > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                  > >
                  > > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are
                  > in
                  > > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem.
                  > > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                  > Antar
                  > > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                  > >
                  > > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different
                  > > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                  > >
                  > > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16)
                  > > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in
                  > > both the vargas.
                  > >
                  > > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same
                  > in
                  > > both the charts.
                  > >
                  > > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                  > both
                  > > the charts.
                  > >
                  > > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                  > thread,
                  > > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                  > take
                  > > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.
                  > >
                  > > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                  > case,
                  > > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                  > > Mercury, respectively.
                  > >
                  > > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                  > >
                  > > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                  > > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                  > >
                  > > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                  > >
                  > > Raj Bhardwaj
                  > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Namaskar
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Many thanks for the data
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
                  > > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will
                  > > try
                  > > > to speack up and help in discussion
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by
                  > me
                  > > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
                  > > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                  > > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                  > > which
                  > > > is proven many times
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him
                  > and
                  > > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                  > > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend
                  > > on
                  > > > them and heir pet theories
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                  > times
                  > > > then response will b same
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                  > which
                  > > > I
                  > > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with
                  > a
                  > > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                  > > > discussed
                  > > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                  > > "Circle".
                  > > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
                  > > > time
                  > > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
                  > > > great
                  > > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                  > > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                  > > > >
                  > > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >

                • Sunil
                  Dear sh Raj Ji and sh trivedi JI Many thanks for Kick starting the discussion Hope all will also Join with u and I request every one to participate actively
                  Message 8 of 30 , Dec 28, 2012
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                    Dear sh Raj Ji and sh trivedi JI

                     

                    Many thanks for Kick starting the discussion

                     

                    Hope all will also Join with u and I request every one to participate actively and try to earm max exprnce

                     

                    Prediction coming true or Not is a  matter ,it has to come natural when u do hard work

                     

                    Rgrds sunil nair  



                    --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                    >
                    > I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi,
                    > systematically.
                    >
                    >
                    > D-1 Chart : 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can
                    > with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th
                    > house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th
                    > house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th
                    > house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi
                    > with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta
                    > with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                    >
                    > Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK , Sun is Prakramesh
                    > (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK
                    > is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in
                    > 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh is in 12th
                    > house.
                    >
                    > Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house
                    > may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                    >
                    > Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha, with Zero
                    > points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                    >
                    > For other planets let us consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2
                    > Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8
                    > and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has
                    > maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and
                    > PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is
                    > some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in
                    > mystry.
                    >
                    > Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also
                    > elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the
                    > Mercury(being the lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents
                    > well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of
                    > the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                    >
                    > Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and
                    > Jupiter are in BALA Awastha, Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA
                    > Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita
                    > Awastha.
                    >
                    > In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha,
                    > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in
                    > Jagrita Awastha.
                    >
                    > In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are
                    > Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen
                    > (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is
                    > Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious). Here
                    > also It would be pertinent to gather few facts that the PiK , BK and
                    > lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala
                    > Awasthas,denote the family.
                    > In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning),
                    > Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of
                    > Dancing).
                    >
                    > The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun and Jupiter are in
                    > Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in
                    > Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                    >
                    > Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                    >
                    > AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will
                    > face limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to
                    > perform certain work efficiently.
                    >
                    > ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium
                    > results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may
                    > not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                    >
                    > MOOD or ATTITUDE:- MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in
                    > Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain peacuful. SWASTHA planets
                    > have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural. DUKHIT awastha
                    > planets remain distressed and may be depressive. DEEN Awastha planets
                    > i.e. sad and depressed.
                    >
                    > AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated,
                    > wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                    >
                    > JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and
                    > noble path.
                    >
                    > MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                    >
                    > MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                    >
                    > MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good
                    > possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                    >
                    > VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and
                    > opulent.
                    >
                    > RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in
                    > proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                    >
                    > Next in Part-II
                    >
                    > A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also
                    > do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be
                    > able to attend such requests henceforth)
                    >
                    > With my regards and best wisshes
                    >
                    > Raj Bhardwaj
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

                  • chiranjiv mehta
                    He will make mistake with speech - words. Is more comfortable overseas. Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to his Dharma. LL is
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                      He will make mistake with speech - words.
                      Is more comfortable overseas.
                      Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to his Dharma.
                      LL is 12th from itself and is aspected by debilitated Moon from 6th house.
                      Both are in hidden houses of 6th and 12th.
                      He is soft almost retreating personality but in power will be harsh as Saturn aspects Lagna which has Sun and Mars.
                      is Mars the main planet contributing to loss of father (Mars Cojoined with Sun? ).
                      Mother seen to be anxious and shy figure ?? Is Rahul the power behind and she the front?
                       
                      May God bless him.

                      Chiranjiv Mehta


                      --- On Fri, 28/12/12, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:

                      From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                      Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                      To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Friday, 28 December, 2012, 4:20 PM

                       
                      Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                      I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi, systematically.

                      D-1 Chart :  1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                      Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK ,  Sun is Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK  in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh  is in 12th house.
                      Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                      Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha,  with Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                      For other planets let us  consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in mystry.
                      Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the Mercury(being the  lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                      Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and Jupiter are in BALA Awastha,  Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita Awastha.
                      In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha, Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in Jagrita Awastha.
                      In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).  Here also It would be  pertinent to gather few facts that  the PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family. 
                      In the Activity
                      stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning), Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of Dancing).
                      The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun  and Jupiter are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                      Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                       AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will face  limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to perform certain work efficiently. 
                      ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                      MOOD or ATTITUDE:-  MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain  peacuful.  SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.  DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be depressive.  DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.
                      AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                      JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and noble path.
                      MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                      MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                      MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                      VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and opulent.
                      RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                      Next in Part-II
                      A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be able to attend such requests henceforth)
                      With my regards and best wisshes
                      Raj Bhardwaj
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       

                       
                      --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me and
                      > i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the truth
                      > and exposing the frauds
                      >
                      > ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu transiting
                      > on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose their
                      > teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                      > also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care ,One
                      > pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                      > his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i
                      > will go tru my methods
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of dad
                      > died
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Means a sort of curse on family is there
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                      > further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get
                      > married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some secrets
                      > revealed
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Rgrds sunil nair
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                      > >
                      > > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens
                      > to
                      > > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                      > > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                      > > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                      > >
                      > > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                      > > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                      > > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                      > >
                      > > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                      > > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                      > > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                      > D-9,
                      > > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                      > > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha
                      > of
                      > > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                      > >
                      > > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are
                      > in
                      > > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem.
                      > > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                      > Antar
                      > > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                      > >
                      > > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different
                      > > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                      > >
                      > > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16)
                      > > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in
                      > > both the vargas.
                      > >
                      > > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same
                      > in
                      > > both the charts.
                      > >
                      > > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                      > both
                      > > the charts.
                      > >
                      > > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                      > thread,
                      > > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                      > take
                      > > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.
                      > >
                      > > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                      > case,
                      > > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                      > > Mercury, respectively.
                      > >
                      > > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                      > >
                      > > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                      > > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                      > >
                      > > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                      > >
                      > > Raj Bhardwaj
                      > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Namaskar
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Many thanks for the data
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
                      > > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will
                      > > try
                      > > > to speack up and help in discussion
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by
                      > me
                      > > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
                      > > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                      > > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                      > > which
                      > > > is proven many times
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him
                      > and
                      > > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                      > > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend
                      > > on
                      > > > them and heir pet theories
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                      > times
                      > > > then response will b same
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                      > which
                      > > > I
                      > > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with
                      > a
                      > > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                      > > > discussed
                      > > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                      > > "Circle".
                      > > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
                      > > > time
                      > > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
                      > > > great
                      > > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                      > > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                      > > > >
                      > > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Paddy
                      Reg father - Sa & Ra aspecting Su the father.-- That might signify loss of father They also signify no bro. Though Ju also aspects su & ma but seems like ju is
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                        Reg father - Sa & Ra aspecting Su the father.-- That might signify loss of father
                        They also signify no bro.

                        Though Ju also aspects su & ma
                        but seems like ju is powerless in 5???

                        Ju asp sa ---generally tech edu
                        But not applied here



                        frm another angle - seems like a good chart 2 handle multiple parties tpgether
                        Su + ma - won't let him 2b subbortinate 2 ny 1
                        Ra - experimentation + innovation 2 new ideas
                        Mo - 6th house -- mother deal maker???


                        chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@...> wrote:

                         

                        He will make mistake with speech - words.
                        Is more comfortable overseas.
                        Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to his Dharma.
                        LL is 12th from itself and is aspected by debilitated Moon from 6th house.
                        Both are in hidden houses of 6th and 12th.
                        He is soft almost retreating personality but in power will be harsh as Saturn aspects Lagna which has Sun and Mars.
                        is Mars the main planet contributing to loss of father (Mars Cojoined with Sun? ).
                        Mother seen to be anxious and shy figure ?? Is Rahul the power behind and she the front?
                         
                        May God bless him.

                        Chiranjiv Mehta


                        --- On Fri, 28/12/12, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:

                        From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                        Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                        To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Friday, 28 December, 2012, 4:20 PM

                         
                        Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                        I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi, systematically.

                        D-1 Chart :  1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                        Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK ,  Sun is Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK  in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh  is in 12th house.
                        Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                        Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha,  with Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                        For other planets let us  consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in mystry.
                        Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the Mercury(being the  lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                        Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and Jupiter are in BALA Awastha,  Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita Awastha.
                        In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha, Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in Jagrita Awastha.
                        In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).  Here also It would be  pertinent to gather few facts that  the PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family. 
                        In the Activity
                        stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning), Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of Dancing).
                        The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun  and Jupiter are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                        Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                         AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will face  limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to perform certain work efficiently. 
                        ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                        MOOD or ATTITUDE:-  MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain  peacuful.  SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.  DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be depressive.  DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.
                        AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                        JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and noble path.
                        MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                        MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                        MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                        VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and opulent.
                        RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                        Next in Part-II
                        A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be able to attend such requests henceforth)
                        With my regards and best wisshes
                        Raj Bhardwaj
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         

                         
                        --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me and
                        > i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the truth
                        > and exposing the frauds
                        >
                        > ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu transiting
                        > on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose their
                        > teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                        > also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care ,One
                        > pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                        > his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i
                        > will go tru my methods
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of dad
                        > died
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Means a sort of curse on family is there
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                        > further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get
                        > married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some secrets
                        > revealed
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Rgrds sunil nair
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                        > >
                        > > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens
                        > to
                        > > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                        > > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                        > > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                        > >
                        > > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                        > > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                        > > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                        > >
                        > > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                        > > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                        > > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                        > D-9,
                        > > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                        > > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha
                        > of
                        > > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                        > >
                        > > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are
                        > in
                        > > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem.
                        > > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                        > Antar
                        > > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                        > >
                        > > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different
                        > > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                        > >
                        > > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16)
                        > > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in
                        > > both the vargas.
                        > >
                        > > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same
                        > in
                        > > both the charts.
                        > >
                        > > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                        > both
                        > > the charts.
                        > >
                        > > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                        > thread,
                        > > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                        > take
                        > > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.
                        > >
                        > > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                        > case,
                        > > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                        > > Mercury, respectively.
                        > >
                        > > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                        > >
                        > > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                        > > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                        > >
                        > > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                        > >
                        > > Raj Bhardwaj
                        > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Namaskar
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Many thanks for the data
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
                        > > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will
                        > > try
                        > > > to speack up and help in discussion
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by
                        > me
                        > > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
                        > > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                        > > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                        > > which
                        > > > is proven many times
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him
                        > and
                        > > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                        > > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend
                        > > on
                        > > > them and heir pet theories
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                        > times
                        > > > then response will b same
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                        > which
                        > > > I
                        > > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with
                        > a
                        > > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                        > > > discussed
                        > > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                        > > "Circle".
                        > > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
                        > > > time
                        > > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
                        > > > great
                        > > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                        > > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                        > > > >
                        > > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >

                      • Sunil
                        Dear Paddy Ji and chiranjiv JI Good discussion ,Pls carry on Rgrds sunil nair ... loss of father ... tpgether ... Dharma. ... house. ... as Saturn aspects
                        Message 11 of 30 , Dec 28, 2012
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                          Dear Paddy Ji and chiranjiv JI

                           

                          Good discussion ,Pls carry on

                           

                          Rgrds sunil nair 

                          --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, Paddy wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > Reg father - Sa & Ra aspecting Su the father.-- That might signify loss of father
                          > They also signify no bro.
                          >
                          > Though Ju also aspects su & ma
                          > but seems like ju is powerless in 5???
                          >
                          > Ju asp sa ---generally tech edu
                          > But not applied here
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > frm another angle - seems like a good chart 2 handle multiple parties tpgether
                          > Su + ma - won't let him 2b subbortinate 2 ny 1
                          > Ra - experimentation + innovation 2 new ideas
                          > Mo - 6th house -- mother deal maker???
                          >
                          >
                          > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@... wrote:
                          >
                          > >He will make mistake with speech - words.
                          > >Is more comfortable overseas.
                          > >Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to his Dharma.
                          > >LL is 12th from itself and is aspected by debilitated Moon from 6th house.
                          > >Both are in hidden houses of 6th and 12th.
                          > >He is soft almost retreating personality but in power will be harsh as Saturn aspects Lagna which has Sun and Mars.
                          > >is Mars the main planet contributing to loss of father (Mars Cojoined with Sun? ).
                          > >Mother seen to be anxious and shy figure ?? Is Rahul the power behind and she the front?
                          > > 
                          > >May God bless him.
                          > >
                          > >Chiranjiv Mehta
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >--- On Fri, 28/12/12, Raj rajbhardwaj1949@... wrote:
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >From: Raj rajbhardwaj1949@...
                          > >Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                          > >To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                          > >Date: Friday, 28 December, 2012, 4:20 PM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                          > >I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi, systematically.
                          > >
                          > >D-1 Chart :  1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                          > >Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK ,  Sun is Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK  in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh  is in 12th house.
                          > >Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                          > >Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha,  with Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                          > >For other planets let us  consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in mystry.
                          > >Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the Mercury(being the  lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                          > >Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and Jupiter are in BALA Awastha,  Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita Awastha.
                          > >In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha, Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in Jagrita Awastha.
                          > >In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).  Here also It would be  pertinent to gather few facts that  the PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family. 
                          > >In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning), Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of Dancing).
                          > >The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun  and Jupiter are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                          > >Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                          > > AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will face  limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to perform certain work efficiently. 
                          > >ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                          > >MOOD or ATTITUDE:-  MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain  peacuful.  SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.  DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be depressive.  DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.
                          > >AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                          > >JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and noble path.
                          > >MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                          > >MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                          > >MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                          > >VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and opulent.
                          > >RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                          > >Next in Part-II
                          > >A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be able to attend such requests henceforth)
                          > >With my regards and best wisshes
                          > >Raj Bhardwaj
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > >
                          > > 
                          > >--- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me and
                          > >> i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the truth
                          > >> and exposing the frauds
                          > >>
                          > >> ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu transiting
                          > >> on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose their
                          > >> teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                          > >> also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care ,One
                          > >> pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                          > >> his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i
                          > >> will go tru my methods
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of dad
                          > >> died
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Means a sort of curse on family is there
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                          > >> further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get
                          > >> married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some secrets
                          > >> revealed
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Rgrds sunil nair
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                          > >> >
                          > >> > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens
                          > >> to
                          > >> > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                          > >> > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                          > >> > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                          > >> > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                          > >> > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                          > >> > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                          > >> > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                          > >> D-9,
                          > >> > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                          > >> > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present mahadasha
                          > >> of
                          > >> > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are
                          > >> in
                          > >> > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of Gem.
                          > >> > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                          > >> Antar
                          > >> > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts. Different
                          > >> > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga (16)
                          > >> > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala in
                          > >> > both the vargas.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same
                          > >> in
                          > >> > both the charts.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                          > >> both
                          > >> > the charts.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                          > >> thread,
                          > >> > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                          > >> take
                          > >> > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e. MOON.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                          > >> case,
                          > >> > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                          > >> > Mercury, respectively.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                          > >> > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Raj Bhardwaj
                          > >> > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Namaskar
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Many thanks for the data
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > I also has similar data â€"I think forwarded by some one,with a
                          > >> > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt it
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I will
                          > >> > try
                          > >> > > to speack up and help in discussion
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by
                          > >> me
                          > >> > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after the
                          > >> > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                          > >> > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                          > >> > which
                          > >> > > is proven many times
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him
                          > >> and
                          > >> > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                          > >> > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time spend
                          > >> > on
                          > >> > > them and heir pet theories
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                          > >> times
                          > >> > > then response will b same
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Rgrds sunil nair
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                          > >> which
                          > >> > > I
                          > >> > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match with
                          > >> a
                          > >> > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                          > >> > > discussed
                          > >> > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                          > >> > "Circle".
                          > >> > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a different
                          > >> > > time
                          > >> > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be of
                          > >> > > great
                          > >> > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                          > >> > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> >
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • Raj
                          Dear Sunil Ji, Paddy Ji and Chiranjeev Ji, Thanks for your inputs which will help this discussions more deep elaborative and worthwhile, I believe. I am
                          Message 12 of 30 , Dec 29, 2012
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                            Dear Sunil Ji, Paddy Ji  and Chiranjeev Ji,

                            Thanks for your inputs which will help this discussions more deep elaborative and worthwhile, I believe. I am giving below the next part of my analyses of the Birth Chart :-

                            PART-II

                             

                            D-9 Chart

                             

                            In this chart lagna is Sg, and 4th house is Pi, and their lord Jupiter is placed in 11th house of Li. in 2nd house of Cap, Rahu is placed. The lord of 2nd and 3rd house, Saturn is placed in 12th house of Sc. Ketu is in 3rd house. In the 4th house of Pi Mars and Moon, the lords of 5th and 8th and 12th houses are placed. In the 6th house of Ta, Mer is placed, who has lordship of 7th and 10th house., Ketu is in 8th house of Cn. The 9th lord Sun is placed in 12th alongwith Saturn. The debilitated Ve is in 10th house.

                             

                            In other words the D-I charts 7th house(Sg) has become the lagna sign in the D-9 chart. We may note here that in the Dwiswabhava Rashis, the 7th house and it's lord become Badhakarak Planet in the chart. Hence, Jupiter in D-1 and Mercury in D-9 have become Badhakaraka in the respective charts. Normally the Badhak planets create obstacles in the mind of the Jataka, or from the properties of the house they represent.7th house in the astrology is considered for a number of matters. Mainly marriage partener /partners in the trade, business, as also the problems/desease seen from the 7th house. However, aspects of other planets, can mitigate the problems,obstacles; depending upon their respective nature,lordship of houses,strength,weakness etc.

                             

                            In D-1 Sun and Mars from the Ist house are aspecting the 7th house, Sun being the lord of 3rd house and Mars being the lord of 6th and the 11th house. Jupiter as the lord of 7th and 10th house is placed in the  5th house, and aspected by debilitated Saturn from 11th house. This is reflecting the delay in marriage and progeny. Saturn also happens to be lord of 8th and 9th house.

                             

                            Continuing with the Badhakesh in D-9 Chart, Lagna and 4th house lord  Jup is in 11th house , and Badhakesh Mercury, lord of 7th and 10th house  is in the 6th house, aspected by Saturn and Sun from 12th house and  Rahu from the 2nd house. Here the Mercury is 7th and 10th house lord. Saturn is 2nd and 3rd house lord and Sun is the 9th house lord.

                             

                            Thus, we can see that Mercury as lagna and 4th lord in D-1 chart and Jupiter as lagna and 4th lord in D-9 are getting/creating obstacles for each other; and both the charts are major ones in any birth chart.   

                             

                             

                            I may say that like D-1, D-9 chart is also not quite  impressive  one. though both the charts have some Rajyogas, but again not so very important ones. Because such  Rajyogas do appear in a large number  of charts. For saving the space, I am not giving details of such yogas.

                             

                            We have seen that In D- chart the lagnesh Mercury is in 12th house, and this position of Mer makes it weak to give its  benefic results,I may venture to say that at least for TANU BHAVA, the most important bhava of a birth chart, it will remain a neutral planet. It may have some better effects for the 4th house, as it is placed in 9th bhava from the 4th.

                             

                            Having seen seen the lagna sign and the lagna lord in 12th, the next important factor is the Nakshatra in which the lagna and the lagnesh are posited. Lagna is in Ardra and lagnesh Mercury is in Rohini. Moon from the 6th house is having 7th aspect on Mer.  Here the  Moon is in Jyeshtha nakashtra,which represents Mercury. Thus, both the Mercury and Moon should be showing their affects some influential manner, due to the their respective Nakshatras.

                             

                            We may also note here that  Mercury is lagnesh as well the PITA KARAKA. The Moon is Dhanesh and  the ATMA KARAKA, as well.

                             

                            The owner of Lagna's nakhatra RAHU is placed in the 9th house. Here Rahu is in Satabhisha Nakshatra(his own nakshtra), placed in the 9th house in Aq, and Rahu is chara MATA KARAKA. The roles of these Karakas have great influence in the life of Rahul Gandhi.

                             

                            I will first discuss the Nakshatra of his Lagna i.e. Ardra ; and let us all see how much effects this is showing on his personality.

                             

                            " It has been noticed that various natives of Aridra have different shape of structure, right from the slim and short structure to fat and lengthy structure.

                             

                             He undertakes any work entrusted to him in a responsible manner. In the public meetings he creates an atmosphere of humor and keeps every body attracted to him. He has intuitive perception. He is good psychologist. His dealings with his friends and relatives will be of very much cordial type. In some cases it is also noticed that the native is thankless to the persons who have given him help. He does not have a constant type of behavior.

                             

                            He has the capacity to acquire and keep knowledge of almost all the subjects. However, in spite of these good qualities he cannot attain much fame or reward out of such knowledge. Since he is over sincere in the work and as also to the persons, even the slightest problem which may be confronted will land him into maximum mental agony. However, even during the time of extreme hardships both financial and mental, he can keep his head cool, behave in a most respectable and attractive manner. Because of this quality he is very much involved in others heart.

                             

                            He will not stick to only one line of work, whereas he would like to undertake so many works at a time. Even when he comes to know that the line of action or though which he has taken is the correct approach but according to others it is not like;  he will not hesitate to subdue and respect others. In case he undertakes research work on any particular line he can shine well. In the business field also he can attain much success.

                             

                            Most of the selfless social workers are born in this Nakshatra. He has the capacity to undertake any number of jobs at a time and complete perfection in all the fields can also be obtained. In case he undertakes a travel for a specific job, he will oversee other connected work which can be carried out simultaneously.

                             

                            Normally, the native earns his livelihood away from his home and family. In other words he is settled in foreign places. Period between 32years and 42 years of age will be the good period of rise for him.

                             

                            His marriage will be delayed. In case marriage takes place early he will be compelled to live separately from the family either due to difference of opinion between the couple or due to other circumstances beyond his control. He will have to face several inherent problems of the life. But he will not reflect his problems outwardly.

                            When the marriage takes place at a late stage his married life will be good. His spouse will exercise full control over him."

                             

                            He may have some diseases, which may turn to be sometimes incurable. For example, paralysis, heart trouble and dental problems. He is also prone to Asthma, esonophilia, and dry cough, ear trouble

                             

                            His lagna lord Merucry is in Rohini and is  charakaraka(significator) of PITA. Let us see the effect of this nakahatra in his life of both the Son and Putra:-

                             

                            " He is short tempered. Once he gets angry, it will not subside quite easily, and nobody can change his decision. He becomes extremely obstinate if some one attempts to over-ride his opinions or thwart his plans. He remains oblivious to any advice or ideas counter to his own.

                            He has special knack to find faults of others. Whereas, he cannot work with a fixed aim. He is ruled by his heart rather than his brain. While he is ready to sacrifice everything for his loved ones, he will not hesitate to cause extreme trouble to the hated. He feels impressed upon his own work.

                             

                            Acceptance of the truth and discard of the false is his plus point. His life is full of ups and downs as he does not try to pre-plan his objectives. He can attain great success in his life provided a little restraint is kept in the freedom of his mind. There is no tomorrow for him. He spends everything for today's comfort.

                             

                            3. As far as possible he tries to be more sincere and honest in all the work he undertakes. But he lacks patience and forgiveness. He tries to be jack off all arts and in the process he fails to pass through the path of requisite rhythm and system.

                             

                            His freedom of mind will quite often lead him to the downfall. It is also seen that some Rohini born persons have risen from the lowest rung of life due to the finest placements of other planets.

                             

                             

                            Periods between the age of 18 years and 36 years will be the most trial some periods. He will have to face a lot of problems economically, socially and on health grounds. It is often noticed that such people enjoy their life's best between the age of 38 years and 50 years and 65 years and 75 years of age. One of the primary factors to be born in mind is that he should never take anybody into confidence.. He has to be extra careful in his business partners and employees. There is an inherent drawback in him that he blindly believes others. For a happy existence, it is suggested that he should screen the persons thoroughly before confidence is bestowed on such persons.

                             

                             While he cannot enjoy full benefit from his father, he will be more attached to his mother and maternal uncle or maternal things. He will not hesitate to throw away any social or religious laws when warranted for. Hence his married life will be marred with disturbances.

                             

                            He is prone to diseases connected with blood, blood cancer, jaundice, urinary disorders, blood sugar, tuberculosis, respiratory problems, paralysis and throat trouble.

                             

                            Next the Rahu is in 9th house in Shatabhishaj Nakshatra. Here Rahu becomes Bhagyesh being in Aq sign, and is also his MATA KARAKA. This Nakshatra should show traits of his bhagyesh and his Mother, as well.

                             

                            Male Natives


                            " He will have a soft body, excellent memory power, wide forehead, attractive eyes, bright countenance, prominent nose and bulged abdomen. He would appear to belong to a aristocratic family at the first sight itself.

                             

                            He is of the type "Satyameva Jayate". He will not hesitate to sacrifice his own life for upholding the truth. As he is born with certain principles, he has to quite often confront with others as he cannot deviate from his principles of life. Selfless service is his motto. He insists on following the religious traditions. He is also of the adamant type. Once he takes a decision it is not easy for others to change his decision. While he is very intelligent and efficient in most of the walks of life, he is very soft in his heart. He is the mixture of good and bad.

                             

                            When he is provoked, he will rise like a bulldog, but that anger is soon subsided. As he does not believe in pomp and show, he has a feeling of shyness to exhibit his talents. However, his talents will be unearthed due to his interesting and attractive conversation, which will be highly instructive and educative.


                             Period upto 34 years of age will be a trial some period in his profession field. Period after 34 years will be the period of constant progress. He is highly suited for the practice of astrology, psychology and healing arts. His literary capacity and greatness will come to limelight even when he is very young. He is capable of acquiring very fine and high education. This Nakshatra has produced eminent doctors and research fellows in medicines( But not for Rahul).


                            Generally he has to face a lot of problems from his dear and near ones. Even then, he always extends  helping hand to his near and dears even without asking for such help. It has been noticed that native has to undergo maximum mental agony due to his brothers. He cannot also enjoy much benefit from his father, whereas full love and affection is derived from his mother.

                            It has also been found that he is not capable of leading a happy married life. In some cases, when there is severe affliction of Saturn and Jupiter, it has been found that the native remains a chronic bachelor throughout his life. While on the one hand he does not enjoy happy married life, his wife will have all the good qualities that are expected of a companion.

                             

                            Outwardly he may appear to have very good health but it is not like that. He cannot tolerate even the slightest affliction to the body. He is prone to urinary diseases, breathing trouble and diabetics. As he may develope excess inclination towards physical pleasures, he may have some ailments in the lower regionsexually transmitted diseases. However it will be kept a closely guarded secret from all, except his family physician. He may have problems with his jaws. He is also liable to suffer from colic troubles and must take precautions to protect himself from the diseases incidental to exposure to cold weather.
                             
                            Female Natives

                            Tall and lean, fairly handsome, elegant disposition. Flushy lips and broad cheeks with prominent temples and buttocks.
                            She will be very calm natured. But at certain times she is also hot-tempered. She is very much inclined in the religious activities as she is god fearing. Due to her hot-temperament, she is mostly confronted with family quarrel and this will result in frequent lack of mental peace.
                            She has very good memory. She is highly sympathetic and generous. While she does not expect anything in return for her humanitarian action, she is quite often misunderstood not only by the general public but also by her own family members.

                             

                            While she loves and adores her husband, her life will be full of problems. Sometimes long separation from her husband or widowhood has also been noticed. Her health will be a cause of concern for her. Urinary and uterus disorders have been noticed. She may also suffer from colic troubles and chest pain.

                             

                            I hope that the above analyses throws good light on the personality traits of Rahul and also his parents.

                             

                            I will continue with Part-III on Monday (31 Dec,2012) and that will perhaps be the final part.

                             

                            I again request that the discussion in this group may pleae not be shared in other groups. With my regards and best wishes.

                             

                            Raj Bhardwaj

                             

                            --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Paddy Ji and chiranjiv JI
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Good discussion ,Pls carry on
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Rgrds sunil nair
                            > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, Paddy wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Reg father - Sa & Ra aspecting Su the father.-- That might signify
                            > loss of father
                            > > They also signify no bro.
                            > >
                            > > Though Ju also aspects su & ma
                            > > but seems like ju is powerless in 5???
                            > >
                            > > Ju asp sa ---generally tech edu
                            > > But not applied here
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > frm another angle - seems like a good chart 2 handle multiple parties
                            > tpgether
                            > > Su + ma - won't let him 2b subbortinate 2 ny 1
                            > > Ra - experimentation + innovation 2 new ideas
                            > > Mo - 6th house -- mother deal maker???
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >He will make mistake with speech - words.
                            > > >Is more comfortable overseas.
                            > > >Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to his
                            > Dharma.
                            > > >LL is 12th from itself and is aspected by debilitated Moon from 6th
                            > house.
                            > > >Both are in hidden houses of 6th and 12th.
                            > > >He is soft almost retreating personality but in power will be harsh
                            > as Saturn aspects Lagna which has Sun and Mars.
                            > > >is Mars the main planet contributing to loss of father (Mars Cojoined
                            > with Sun? ).
                            > > >Mother seen to be anxious and shy figure ?? Is Rahul the power behind
                            > and she the front?
                            > > >Â
                            > > >May God bless him.
                            > > >
                            > > >Chiranjiv Mehta
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >--- On Fri, 28/12/12, Raj rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >From: Raj rajbhardwaj1949@
                            > > >Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                            > > >To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >Date: Friday, 28 December, 2012, 4:20 PM
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >Â
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                            > > >I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi,
                            > systematically.
                            > > >
                            > > >D-1 Chart :Â 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd
                            > house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30
                            > points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21
                            > points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23
                            > points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27
                            > points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37
                            > points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech
                            > Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                            > > >Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK , Sun is
                            > Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th
                            > lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AKÂ in the 6th,
                            > Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and
                            > lagnesh is in 12th house.
                            > > >Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house
                            > may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                            > > >Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha, with
                            > Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                            > > >For other planets let us consider only the 16 Vargas, herein
                            > Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn
                            > 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the
                            > MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the
                            > lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8
                            > points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of
                            > marriage, shrouded in mystry.
                            > > >Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also
                            > elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the
                            > Mercury(being the lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents
                            > well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of
                            > the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                            > > >Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and
                            > Jupiter are in BALA Awastha, Â Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA
                            > Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita
                            > Awastha.
                            > > >In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha,
                            > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in
                            > Jagrita Awastha.
                            > > >In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are
                            > Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen
                            > (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is
                            > Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).Â
                            > Here also It would be pertinent to gather few facts that the
                            > PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in
                            > Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family.Â
                            > > >In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning),
                            > Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of
                            > Dancing).
                            > > >The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun and Jupiter
                            > are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in
                            > Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                            > > >Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                            > > >Â AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha
                            > will face limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are
                            > unable to perform certain work efficiently.Â
                            > > >ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium
                            > results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may
                            > not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                            > > >MOOD or ATTITUDE:-Â MUDIT planets can give good results as they
                            > are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain peacuful.Â
                            > SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.
                            > Â DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be depressive.Â
                            > DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.
                            > > >AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded,
                            > emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                            > > >JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and
                            > noble path.
                            > > >MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                            > > >MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                            > > >MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good
                            > possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                            > > >VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and
                            > opulent.
                            > > >RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in
                            > proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                            > > >Next in Part-II
                            > > >A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please
                            > also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not
                            > be able to attend such requests henceforth)
                            > > >With my regards and best wisshes
                            > > >Raj Bhardwaj
                            > > >Â
                            > > >Â
                            > > >Â
                            > > >Â
                            > > >Â
                            > > >
                            > > >Â
                            > > >--- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me
                            > and
                            > > >> i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the
                            > truth
                            > > >> and exposing the frauds
                            > > >>
                            > > >> ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu
                            > transiting
                            > > >> on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose
                            > their
                            > > >> teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public
                            > apology
                            > > >> also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care
                            > ,One
                            > > >> pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                            > > >> his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but
                            > i
                            > > >> will go tru my methods
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of
                            > dad
                            > > >> died
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Means a sort of curse on family is there
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                            > > >> further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot
                            > get
                            > > >> married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some
                            > secrets
                            > > >> revealed
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Rgrds sunil nair
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it
                            > happens
                            > > >> to
                            > > >> > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not
                            > an
                            > > >> > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve,
                            > but
                            > > >> > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so
                            > far.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                            > > >> > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                            > > >> > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50
                            > AM.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the
                            > chart
                            > > >> > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem.
                            > The
                            > > >> > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                            > > >> D-9,
                            > > >> > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house
                            > of
                            > > >> > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present
                            > mahadasha
                            > > >> of
                            > > >> > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna
                            > are
                            > > >> in
                            > > >> > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of
                            > Gem.
                            > > >> > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                            > > >> Antar
                            > > >> > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts.
                            > Different
                            > > >> > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga
                            > (16)
                            > > >> > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero
                            > Bala in
                            > > >> > both the vargas.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is
                            > same
                            > > >> in
                            > > >> > both the charts.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same
                            > in
                            > > >> both
                            > > >> > the charts.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                            > > >> thread,
                            > > >> > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that
                            > we
                            > > >> take
                            > > >> > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e.
                            > MOON.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                            > > >> case,
                            > > >> > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                            > > >> > Mercury, respectively.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                            > > >> > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                            > > >> >
                            > > >> > Raj Bhardwaj
                            > > >> > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Namaskar
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Many thanks for the data
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > I also has similar data â€"I think forwarded by some
                            > one,with a
                            > > >> > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing
                            > abt it
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I
                            > will
                            > > >> > try
                            > > >> > > to speack up and help in discussion
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made
                            > by
                            > > >> me
                            > > >> > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after
                            > the
                            > > >> > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for
                            > pop
                            > > >> > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on
                            > charts
                            > > >> > which
                            > > >> > > is proven many times
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help
                            > him
                            > > >> and
                            > > >> > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after
                            > his
                            > > >> > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time
                            > spend
                            > > >> > on
                            > > >> > > them and heir pet theories
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater
                            > 1000
                            > > >> times
                            > > >> > > then response will b same
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > Rgrds sunil nair
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul
                            > Gandhi,
                            > > >> which
                            > > >> > > I
                            > > >> > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match
                            > with
                            > > >> a
                            > > >> > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                            > > >> > > discussed
                            > > >> > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                            > > >> > "Circle".
                            > > >> > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a
                            > different
                            > > >> > > time
                            > > >> > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will
                            > be of
                            > > >> > > great
                            > > >> > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                            > > >> > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > > >
                            > > >> > >
                            > > >> >
                            > > >>
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
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                            Dear Raj bharadwaJ JI Many thanks for posting your views on chart tho I am having some diffrnce of opinion on use of charakaraka scheme,badaka and use of
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                              Dear Raj bharadwaJ JI

                               

                              Many thanks  for posting your views on chart tho I am having some diffrnce of opinion on use of charakaraka scheme,badaka and use of varga as charts

                               

                              Any way if u r convinced of it then there is no hiccup on what I blv  or practice,so long as results is what matters   (jyothisham phalamadesham --Jyothisham is used for seeing the future and trends we depend jyothisha and it is not some Long lipservice of spirituality or repeating some rishi or acharyas  name and threten others  or not even politics in the name of Guru s,fake gurus can produce another parrots who is faking the same ),

                              i will post my views later or what i noticed in this chart 

                               

                              Hope every one will try and contribute for the same and we r waiting for your next part

                               

                              Thanks and with deep  rgrds and wish u a prosperous happy new year too

                               

                              Rgrds sunil nair  


                              --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Dear Sunil Ji, Paddy Ji and Chiranjeev Ji,
                              >
                              > Thanks for your inputs which will help this discussions more deep
                              > elaborative and worthwhile, I believe. I am giving below the next part
                              > of my analyses of the Birth Chart :-
                              >
                              > PART-II
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > D-9 Chart
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > In this chart lagna is Sg, and 4th house is Pi, and their lord Jupiter
                              > is placed in 11th house of Li. in 2nd house of Cap, Rahu is placed. The
                              > lord of 2nd and 3rd house, Saturn is placed in 12th house of Sc. Ketu is
                              > in 3rd house. In the 4th house of Pi Mars and Moon, the lords of 5th and
                              > 8th and 12th houses are placed. In the 6th house of Ta, Mer is placed,
                              > who has lordship of 7th and 10th house., Ketu is in 8th house of Cn. The
                              > 9th lord Sun is placed in 12th alongwith Saturn. The debilitated Ve is
                              > in 10th house.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > In other words the D-I charts 7th house(Sg) has become the lagna sign in
                              > the D-9 chart. We may note here that in the Dwiswabhava Rashis, the 7th
                              > house and it's lord become Badhakarak Planet in the chart. Hence,
                              > Jupiter in D-1 and Mercury in D-9 have become Badhakaraka in the
                              > respective charts. Normally the Badhak planets create obstacles in the
                              > mind of the Jataka, or from the properties of the house they
                              > represent.7th house in the astrology is considered for a number of
                              > matters. Mainly marriage partener /partners in the trade, business, as
                              > also the problems/desease seen from the 7th house. However, aspects of
                              > other planets, can mitigate the problems,obstacles; depending upon their
                              > respective nature,lordship of houses,strength,weakness etc.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > In D-1 Sun and Mars from the Ist house are aspecting the 7th house, Sun
                              > being the lord of 3rd house and Mars being the lord of 6th and the 11th
                              > house. Jupiter as the lord of 7th and 10th house is placed in the 5th
                              > house, and aspected by debilitated Saturn from 11th house. This is
                              > reflecting the delay in marriage and progeny. Saturn also happens to be
                              > lord of 8th and 9th house.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Continuing with the Badhakesh in D-9 Chart, Lagna and 4th house lord
                              > Jup is in 11th house , and Badhakesh Mercury, lord of 7th and 10th house
                              > is in the 6th house, aspected by Saturn and Sun from 12th house and
                              > Rahu from the 2nd house. Here the Mercury is 7th and 10th house lord.
                              > Saturn is 2nd and 3rd house lord and Sun is the 9th house lord.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Thus, we can see that Mercury as lagna and 4th lord in D-1 chart and
                              > Jupiter as lagna and 4th lord in D-9 are getting/creating obstacles for
                              > each other; and both the charts are major ones in any birth chart.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I may say that like D-1, D-9 chart is also not quite impressive one.
                              > though both the charts have some Rajyogas, but again not so very
                              > important ones. Because such Rajyogas do appear in a large number of
                              > charts. For saving the space, I am not giving details of such yogas.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > We have seen that In D- chart the lagnesh Mercury is in 12th house, and
                              > this position of Mer makes it weak to give its benefic results,I may
                              > venture to say that at least for TANU BHAVA, the most important bhava of
                              > a birth chart, it will remain a neutral planet. It may have some better
                              > effects for the 4th house, as it is placed in 9th bhava from the 4th.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Having seen seen the lagna sign and the lagna lord in 12th, the next
                              > important factor is the Nakshatra in which the lagna and the lagnesh are
                              > posited. Lagna is in Ardra and lagnesh Mercury is in Rohini. Moon from
                              > the 6th house is having 7th aspect on Mer. Here the Moon is in
                              > Jyeshtha nakashtra,which represents Mercury. Thus, both the Mercury and
                              > Moon should be showing their affects some influential manner, due to the
                              > their respective Nakshatras.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > We may also note here that Mercury is lagnesh as well the PITA KARAKA.
                              > The Moon is Dhanesh and the ATMA KARAKA, as well.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > The owner of Lagna's nakhatra RAHU is placed in the 9th house. Here
                              > Rahu is in Satabhisha Nakshatra(his own nakshtra), placed in the 9th
                              > house in Aq, and Rahu is chara MATA KARAKA. The roles of these Karakas
                              > have great influence in the life of Rahul Gandhi.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I will first discuss the Nakshatra of his Lagna i.e. Ardra ; and let us
                              > all see how much effects this is showing on his personality.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > " It has been noticed that various natives of Aridra have different
                              > shape of structure, right from the slim and short structure to fat and
                              > lengthy structure.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He undertakes any work entrusted to him in a responsible manner. In the
                              > public meetings he creates an atmosphere of humor and keeps every body
                              > attracted to him. He has intuitive perception. He is good psychologist.
                              > His dealings with his friends and relatives will be of very much cordial
                              > type. In some cases it is also noticed that the native is thankless to
                              > the persons who have given him help. He does not have a constant type of
                              > behavior.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He has the capacity to acquire and keep knowledge of almost all the
                              > subjects. However, in spite of these good qualities he cannot attain
                              > much fame or reward out of such knowledge. Since he is over sincere in
                              > the work and as also to the persons, even the slightest problem which
                              > may be confronted will land him into maximum mental agony. However, even
                              > during the time of extreme hardships both financial and mental, he can
                              > keep his head cool, behave in a most respectable and attractive manner.
                              > Because of this quality he is very much involved in others heart.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He will not stick to only one line of work, whereas he would like to
                              > undertake so many works at a time. Even when he comes to know that the
                              > line of action or though which he has taken is the correct approach but
                              > according to others it is not like; he will not hesitate to subdue and
                              > respect others. In case he undertakes research work on any particular
                              > line he can shine well. In the business field also he can attain much
                              > success.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Most of the selfless social workers are born in this Nakshatra. He has
                              > the capacity to undertake any number of jobs at a time and complete
                              > perfection in all the fields can also be obtained. In case he undertakes
                              > a travel for a specific job, he will oversee other connected work which
                              > can be carried out simultaneously.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Normally, the native earns his livelihood away from his home and family.
                              > In other words he is settled in foreign places. Period between 32years
                              > and 42 years of age will be the good period of rise for him.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > His marriage will be delayed. In case marriage takes place early he will
                              > be compelled to live separately from the family either due to difference
                              > of opinion between the couple or due to other circumstances beyond his
                              > control. He will have to face several inherent problems of the life. But
                              > he will not reflect his problems outwardly.
                              >
                              > When the marriage takes place at a late stage his married life will be
                              > good. His spouse will exercise full control over him."
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He may have some diseases, which may turn to be sometimes incurable. For
                              > example, paralysis, heart trouble and dental problems. He is also prone
                              > to Asthma, esonophilia, and dry cough, ear trouble
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > His lagna lord Merucry is in Rohini and is charakaraka(significator) of
                              > PITA. Let us see the effect of this nakahatra in his life of both the
                              > Son and Putra:-
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > " He is short tempered. Once he gets angry, it will not subside
                              > quite easily, and nobody can change his decision. He becomes extremely
                              > obstinate if some one attempts to over-ride his opinions or thwart his
                              > plans. He remains oblivious to any advice or ideas counter to his own.
                              >
                              > He has special knack to find faults of others. Whereas, he cannot work
                              > with a fixed aim. He is ruled by his heart rather than his brain. While
                              > he is ready to sacrifice everything for his loved ones, he will not
                              > hesitate to cause extreme trouble to the hated. He feels impressed upon
                              > his own work.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Acceptance of the truth and discard of the false is his plus point. His
                              > life is full of ups and downs as he does not try to pre-plan his
                              > objectives. He can attain great success in his life provided a little
                              > restraint is kept in the freedom of his mind. There is no tomorrow for
                              > him. He spends everything for today's comfort.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > 3. As far as possible he tries to be more sincere and honest in all the
                              > work he undertakes. But he lacks patience and forgiveness. He tries to
                              > be jack off all arts and in the process he fails to pass through the
                              > path of requisite rhythm and system.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > His freedom of mind will quite often lead him to the downfall. It is
                              > also seen that some Rohini born persons have risen from the lowest rung
                              > of life due to the finest placements of other planets.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Periods between the age of 18 years and 36 years will be the most trial
                              > some periods. He will have to face a lot of problems economically,
                              > socially and on health grounds. It is often noticed that such people
                              > enjoy their life's best between the age of 38 years and 50 years and 65
                              > years and 75 years of age. One of the primary factors to be born in mind
                              > is that he should never take anybody into confidence.. He has to be
                              > extra careful in his business partners and employees. There is an
                              > inherent drawback in him that he blindly believes others. For a happy
                              > existence, it is suggested that he should screen the persons thoroughly
                              > before confidence is bestowed on such persons.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > While he cannot enjoy full benefit from his father, he will be more
                              > attached to his mother and maternal uncle or maternal things. He will
                              > not hesitate to throw away any social or religious laws when warranted
                              > for. Hence his married life will be marred with disturbances.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He is prone to diseases connected with blood, blood cancer, jaundice,
                              > urinary disorders, blood sugar, tuberculosis, respiratory problems,
                              > paralysis and throat trouble.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Next the Rahu is in 9th house in Shatabhishaj Nakshatra. Here Rahu
                              > becomes Bhagyesh being in Aq sign, and is also his MATA KARAKA. This
                              > Nakshatra should show traits of his bhagyesh and his Mother, as well.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Male Natives
                              >
                              >
                              > " He will have a soft body, excellent memory power, wide forehead,
                              > attractive eyes, bright countenance, prominent nose and bulged abdomen.
                              > He would appear to belong to a aristocratic family at the first sight
                              > itself.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > He is of the type "Satyameva Jayate". He will not hesitate to sacrifice
                              > his own life for upholding the truth. As he is born with certain
                              > principles, he has to quite often confront with others as he cannot
                              > deviate from his principles of life. Selfless service is his motto. He
                              > insists on following the religious traditions. He is also of the adamant
                              > type. Once he takes a decision it is not easy for others to change his
                              > decision. While he is very intelligent and efficient in most of the
                              > walks of life, he is very soft in his heart. He is the mixture of good
                              > and bad.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > When he is provoked, he will rise like a bulldog, but that anger is soon
                              > subsided. As he does not believe in pomp and show, he has a feeling of
                              > shyness to exhibit his talents. However, his talents will be unearthed
                              > due to his interesting and attractive conversation, which will be highly
                              > instructive and educative.
                              >
                              >
                              > Period upto 34 years of age will be a trial some period in his
                              > profession field. Period after 34 years will be the period of constant
                              > progress. He is highly suited for the practice of astrology, psychology
                              > and healing arts. His literary capacity and greatness will come to
                              > limelight even when he is very young. He is capable of acquiring very
                              > fine and high education. This Nakshatra has produced eminent doctors and
                              > research fellows in medicines( But not for Rahul).
                              >
                              >
                              > Generally he has to face a lot of problems from his dear and near ones.
                              > Even then, he always extends helping hand to his near and dears even
                              > without asking for such help. It has been noticed that native has to
                              > undergo maximum mental agony due to his brothers. He cannot also enjoy
                              > much benefit from his father, whereas full love and affection is derived
                              > from his mother.
                              >
                              >
                              > It has also been found that he is not capable of leading a happy married
                              > life. In some cases, when there is severe affliction of Saturn and
                              > Jupiter, it has been found that the native remains a chronic bachelor
                              > throughout his life. While on the one hand he does not enjoy happy
                              > married life, his wife will have all the good qualities that are
                              > expected of a companion.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Outwardly he may appear to have very good health but it is not like
                              > that. He cannot tolerate even the slightest affliction to the body. He
                              > is prone to urinary diseases, breathing trouble and diabetics. As he may
                              > develope excess inclination towards physical pleasures, he may have some
                              > ailments in the lower regionsexually transmitted diseases. However it
                              > will be kept a closely guarded secret from all, except his family
                              > physician. He may have problems with his jaws. He is also liable to
                              > suffer from colic troubles and must take precautions to protect himself
                              > from the diseases incidental to exposure to cold weather.
                              >
                              > Female Natives
                              >
                              >
                              > Tall and lean, fairly handsome, elegant disposition. Flushy lips and
                              > broad cheeks with prominent temples and buttocks.
                              > She will be very calm natured. But at certain times she is also
                              > hot-tempered. She is very much inclined in the religious activities as
                              > she is god fearing. Due to her hot-temperament, she is mostly confronted
                              > with family quarrel and this will result in frequent lack of mental
                              > peace.
                              > She has very good memory. She is highly sympathetic and generous. While
                              > she does not expect anything in return for her humanitarian action, she
                              > is quite often misunderstood not only by the general public but also by
                              > her own family members.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > While she loves and adores her husband, her life will be full of
                              > problems. Sometimes long separation from her husband or widowhood has
                              > also been noticed. Her health will be a cause of concern for her.
                              > Urinary and uterus disorders have been noticed. She may also suffer from
                              > colic troubles and chest pain.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I hope that the above analyses throws good light on the personality
                              > traits of Rahul and also his parents.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I will continue with Part-III on Monday (31 Dec,2012) and that will
                              > perhaps be the final part.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I again request that the discussion in this group may pleae not be
                              > shared in other groups. With my regards and best wishes.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Raj Bhardwaj
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear Paddy Ji and chiranjiv JI
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Good discussion ,Pls carry on
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Rgrds sunil nair
                              > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, Paddy wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Reg father - Sa & Ra aspecting Su the father.-- That might signify
                              > > loss of father
                              > > > They also signify no bro.
                              > > >
                              > > > Though Ju also aspects su & ma
                              > > > but seems like ju is powerless in 5???
                              > > >
                              > > > Ju asp sa ---generally tech edu
                              > > > But not applied here
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > frm another angle - seems like a good chart 2 handle multiple
                              > parties
                              > > tpgether
                              > > > Su + ma - won't let him 2b subbortinate 2 ny 1
                              > > > Ra - experimentation + innovation 2 new ideas
                              > > > Mo - 6th house -- mother deal maker???
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > >He will make mistake with speech - words.
                              > > > >Is more comfortable overseas.
                              > > > >Rahu in 9th house with 9th HL debilitated - means he is averse to
                              > his
                              > > Dharma.
                              > > > >LL is 12th from itself and is aspected by debilitated Moon from 6th
                              > > house.
                              > > > >Both are in hidden houses of 6th and 12th.
                              > > > >He is soft almost retreating personality but in power will be harsh
                              > > as Saturn aspects Lagna which has Sun and Mars.
                              > > > >is Mars the main planet contributing to loss of father (Mars
                              > Cojoined
                              > > with Sun? ).
                              > > > >Mother seen to be anxious and shy figure ?? Is Rahul the power
                              > behind
                              > > and she the front?
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >May God bless him.
                              > > > >
                              > > > >Chiranjiv Mehta
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >--- On Fri, 28/12/12, Raj rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >From: Raj rajbhardwaj1949@
                              > > > >Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                              > > > >To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > >Date: Friday, 28 December, 2012, 4:20 PM
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                              > > > >I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi,
                              > > systematically.
                              > > > >
                              > > > >D-1 Chart :Â 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd
                              > > house Can with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30
                              > > points/4th house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with
                              > 21
                              > > points/6th house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with
                              > 23
                              > > points/8th house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27
                              > > points/10th house Pi with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn,
                              > 37
                              > > points/12th house Ta with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech
                              > > Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                              > > > >Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK , Sun is
                              > > Prakramesh (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th
                              > > lord. Jup-DK is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AKÂ in the 6th,
                              > > Rahu-MK is in 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and
                              > > lagnesh is in 12th house.
                              > > > >Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th
                              > house
                              > > may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                              > > > >Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha, with
                              > > Zero points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                              > > > >For other planets let us consider only the 16 Vargas, herein
                              > > Moon has 2 Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6,
                              > Saturn
                              > > 3, Rahu 8 and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the
                              > > MK has maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the
                              > > lagnesh and PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8
                              > > points,but here is some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of
                              > > marriage, shrouded in mystry.
                              > > > >Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as
                              > also
                              > > elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the
                              > > Mercury(being the lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points,
                              > represents
                              > > well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka
                              > of
                              > > the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                              > > > >Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and
                              > > Jupiter are in BALA Awastha, Â Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in
                              > YUVA
                              > > Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita
                              > > Awastha.
                              > > > >In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha,
                              > > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in
                              > > Jagrita Awastha.
                              > > > >In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are
                              > > Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen
                              > > (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is
                              > > Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious).Â
                              > > Here also It would be pertinent to gather few facts that the
                              > > PiK , BK and lastly the Rahu,who is overall in
                              > > Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala Awasthas,denote the family.Â
                              > > > >In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning),
                              > > Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of
                              > > Dancing).
                              > > > >The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun and Jupiter
                              > > are in Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are
                              > in
                              > > Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                              > > > >Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                              > > > >Â AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha
                              > > will face limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are
                              > > unable to perform certain work efficiently.Â
                              > > > >ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium
                              > > results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it
                              > may
                              > > not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                              > > > >MOOD or ATTITUDE:-Â MUDIT planets can give good results as they
                              > > are in Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remainÂ
                              > peacuful.Â
                              > > SWASTHA planets have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural.
                              > > Â DUKHIT awastha planets remain distressed and may be
                              > depressive.Â
                              > > DEEN Awastha planets i.e. sad and depressed.
                              > > > >AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded,
                              > > emaciated, wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                              > > > >JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning
                              > and
                              > > noble path.
                              > > > >MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                              > > > >MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                              > > > >MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good
                              > > possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                              > > > >VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and
                              > > opulent.
                              > > > >RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in
                              > > proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                              > > > >Next in Part-II
                              > > > >A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please
                              > > also do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will
                              > not
                              > > be able to attend such requests henceforth)
                              > > > >With my regards and best wisshes
                              > > > >Raj Bhardwaj
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >
                              > > > >Â
                              > > > >--- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter
                              > me
                              > > and
                              > > > >> i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the
                              > > truth
                              > > > >> and exposing the frauds
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu
                              > > transiting
                              > > > >> on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose
                              > > their
                              > > > >> teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public
                              > > apology
                              > > > >> also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who
                              > care
                              > > ,One
                              > > > >> pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us
                              > assume
                              > > > >> his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable
                              > but
                              > > i
                              > > > >> will go tru my methods
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro
                              > of
                              > > dad
                              > > > >> died
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Means a sort of curse on family is there
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                              > > > >> further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who
                              > cannot
                              > > get
                              > > > >> married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some
                              > > secrets
                              > > > >> revealed
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Rgrds sunil nair
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it
                              > > happens
                              > > > >> to
                              > > > >> > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not
                              > > an
                              > > > >> > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve,
                              > > but
                              > > > >> > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so
                              > > far.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart ,
                              > by
                              > > > >> > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                              > > > >> > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and
                              > 5.50
                              > > AM.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the
                              > > chart
                              > > > >> > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem.
                              > > The
                              > > > >> > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer.
                              > In
                              > > > >> D-9,
                              > > > >> > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th
                              > house
                              > > of
                              > > > >> > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present
                              > > mahadasha
                              > > > >> of
                              > > > >> > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna
                              > > are
                              > > > >> in
                              > > > >> > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house
                              > of
                              > > Gem.
                              > > > >> > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon ,
                              > the
                              > > > >> Antar
                              > > > >> > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts.
                              > > Different
                              > > > >> > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha
                              > Varga
                              > > (16)
                              > > > >> > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero
                              > > Bala in
                              > > > >> > both the vargas.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is
                              > > same
                              > > > >> in
                              > > > >> > both the charts.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same
                              > > in
                              > > > >> both
                              > > > >> > the charts.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > What I feel that as other members would also participate in
                              > this
                              > > > >> thread,
                              > > > >> > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that
                              > > we
                              > > > >> take
                              > > > >> > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same
                              > i.e.
                              > > MOON.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In
                              > this
                              > > > >> case,
                              > > > >> > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                              > > > >> > Mercury, respectively.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from
                              > the
                              > > > >> > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >> > Raj Bhardwaj
                              > > > >> > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Namaskar
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Many thanks for the data
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > I also has similar data â€"I think forwarded by some
                              > > one,with a
                              > > > >> > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing
                              > > abt it
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested
                              > I
                              > > will
                              > > > >> > try
                              > > > >> > > to speack up and help in discussion
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are
                              > made
                              > > by
                              > > > >> me
                              > > > >> > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even
                              > after
                              > > the
                              > > > >> > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict
                              > for
                              > > pop
                              > > > >> > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on
                              > > charts
                              > > > >> > which
                              > > > >> > > is proven many times
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to
                              > help
                              > > him
                              > > > >> and
                              > > > >> > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished
                              > after
                              > > his
                              > > > >> > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to
                              > time
                              > > spend
                              > > > >> > on
                              > > > >> > > them and heir pet theories
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater
                              > > 1000
                              > > > >> times
                              > > > >> > > then response will b same
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > Rgrds sunil nair
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul
                              > > Gandhi,
                              > > > >> which
                              > > > >> > > I
                              > > > >> > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to
                              > match
                              > > with
                              > > > >> a
                              > > > >> > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have
                              > been
                              > > > >> > > discussed
                              > > > >> > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                              > > > >> > "Circle".
                              > > > >> > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a
                              > > different
                              > > > >> > > time
                              > > > >> > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will
                              > > be of
                              > > > >> > > great
                              > > > >> > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                              > > > >> > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > > >
                              > > > >> > >
                              > > > >> >
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • Raj
                              Dear Sunil Ji, As promised, I am continuing with the birth chart analysis of Rahul Gandhi:- In D-1 Sun and Mars from the Ist house are aspecting the 7th house.
                              Message 14 of 30 , Jan 24, 2013
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                                Dear Sunil Ji,

                                As promised, I am continuing with the birth chart analysis of Rahul Gandhi:-

                                In D-1 Sun and Mars from the Ist house are aspecting the 7th house.  Placement of Sun indicates positivity for the lagna. Mars is also aspecting 4th,7th and 8th house.However Mars can give health problems every now and then, being the 6th lord , as also misunderstanding with the sister.

                                Second house of Cn is GL,with Venus (5th and 12th lord). Debilitated Moon is placed in the 8th house. Ketu is placed in 3rd house(Le). Jupiter as the lord of 7th(Badhakaraka house) and 10th house is placed in the  5th house, and aspected by debilitated Saturn from the 11th house. This is reflecting the delay in marriage and progeny. Saturn,lord of 8th and 9th house is aspecting 1st,5th and 8th house. Rahu is placed in the 9th.

                                Sun is Yogi, Saturn is Avyogi and Venus is Sahyogi planet.The 64th Navamsha is Jup and 22nd Drekan is Sat. 

                                In the D-9 chart, lagna is Sg. Jup is in 11th house.Rahu in 2nd house. The lord of 2nd and 2rd Sat is in 12th house posited with Sun,the bhagyesh. Mars(5th and 12th lord) and Moon (lord of 8th) are in 4th(Pi). Mercury the 7th lord and 10th lord ,badhakarka, is in 6th house. Deb Venus (6th and 11th lord is in 10th house of Vir.

                                In other words the  Jup the 7th house lord (Sg) in D-1 has become the lagna lord in the D-9 chart, and Mercury has become badhakarka in this chart. Thus both these planets have implications in these 2 charts and the houses where they are respectively placed in D-1 and D-9 i.e. Jup in 5th house of D-1, and Mercury in 6th house of D-9 chart respectively.

                                Normally the Badhas(obstacles) are indicative of thoughts which are either created in the mind/thought process/reactions to various situations,  by the badhak bhavas and planets,their Karkattva/relationships they represent from the badhak house.In both the D-1 and D-9 ,7th house in the Astrology is considered for a number of matters. Mainly marriage partener /parteners in the trade, business, as also the problems/desease seen from the 7th house. However, benefic aspects of other planets, can mitigate or aggravate the obstacles,depending upon their respective nature,lordship of bhavas,strength and the weaknes etc.

                                His own suffering and his mothers suffering can be seen from the 4th and 10th houses of D-1,D-9 and D-12 charts respectively,as these house are owned by Jup and Mercury respectively; and happen to be the Badhakas in these charts. His grandmother's brutal murder had also great impact on his mind,when he was just growing up, if we consider the 4th house from 10th house for the paternal Grand mother. 

                                The next important aspect of his  chart are Nakshatra. The Lagna is in Ardra and lagnesh Mercury is in Rohini. If we examine Ardra , It has been noticed that various natives of Aridra have different shape of structure, right from the slim and short structure to fat and lengthy structure.
                                 
                                Jataka  undertakes any work entrusted to him in a responsible manner. In the public meetings he creates an atmosphere of humor and keeps every body attracted to him. He has intuitive perception. He is good psychologist. His dealings with his friends and relatives will be of very much cordial type. In some cases it is also noticed that the native is thankless to the persons who have given him help and may not have constant type of behavior.
                                 
                                He has the capacity to acquire and keep knowledge of almost all the subjects. However, in spite of these good qualities he cannot attain much fame or reward out of such knowledge. Since he is over sincere in the work and as also to the persons, even the slightest problem which may be confronted will land him into maximum mental agony. However, even during the time of extreme hardships both financial and mental, he can keep his head cool, behave in a most respectable and attractive manner. Because of this quality he is very much involved in others heart.
                                 
                                He will not stick to only one line of work, whereas he would like to undertake a number of  work at any  time. Even when he comes to know that the line of action or though which he has taken is the correct approach but according to others it is not correct, he will not hesitate to subdue and respect others. In case he undertakes research work on any particular line he can shine well. In the business field also he can attain much success.
                                 
                                Most of the selfless social workers are born in this Nakshatra. In case he undertakes a travel for a specific job, he will oversee other connected work also which can be carried out simultaneously.
                                 
                                Normally, the native earns his livelihood away from his home and family. In other words he is settled in foreign places. Period between 32years and 42 years of age will be the good period of rise for him.
                                 
                                His marriage will be delayed. In case marriage takes place early he will be compelled to live separately from the family either due to difference of opinion between the couple or due to other circumstances beyond his control. He will have to face several inherent problems of the life. But he will not reflect his problems outwardly.When the marriage takes place at a late stage his married life will be good. His spouse will exercise full control over him."
                                 
                                He may have some diseases, which could also turn to be incurable. For example, paralysis, heart trouble and dental problems. He is also prone to Asthma, esonophilia, and dry cough, ear trouble."
                                 

                                The owner of Ardra Nakhatra, RAHU is placed in the 9th house of Aq. In this house Rahu is in his own nakshatra i.e. Satabhisha. Rahu is chara MATA KARAKA. This also reflects a good influence of his mother, in nurturing him as his Mother Guru in the politics.
                                 

                                His lagna lord Merucry is in Rohini and is  charakaraka(significator) of PITA. Let us see the effect of this nakahatra in his life of both the Son and Putra:-
                                 
                                " He is short tempered. Once he gets angry, it will not subside quite easily, and nobody can change his decision. He becomes extremely obstinate if some one attempts to over-ride his opinions or thwart his plans. He remains oblivious to any advice or ideas counter to his own. He has special knack to find faults of others. Whereas, he cannot work with a fixed aim. He is ruled by his heart rather than his brain. While he is ready to sacrifice everything for his loved ones, he will not hesitate to cause extreme trouble to the hated. He feels impressed upon his own work.
                                 
                                Acceptance of the truth and discard of the false is his plus point. His life is full of ups and downs as he does not try to pre-plan his objectives. He can attain great success in his life provided a little restraint is kept in the freedom of his mind. There is no tomorrow for him. He spends everything for today's comfort.
                                 
                                3. As far as possible he tries to be more sincere and honest in all the work he undertakes. But he lacks patience and forgiveness. He tries to be jack off all arts and in the process he fails to pass through the path of requisite rhythm and system.
                                 
                                His freedom of mind will quite often lead him to the downfall. It is also seen that some Rohini born persons have risen from the lowest rung of life due to the finest placements of other planets.
                                 
                                 
                                Periods between the age of 18 years and 36 years will be the most trial some periods. He will have to face a lot of problems economically, socially and on health grounds. It is often noticed that such people enjoy their life's best between the age of 38 years and 50 years and 65 years and 75 years of age. One of the primary factors to be born in mind is that he should never take anybody into confidence.. He has to be extra careful in his business partners and employees. There is an inherent drawback in him that he blindly believes others. For a happy existence, it is suggested that he should screen the persons thoroughly before confidence is bestowed on such persons.
                                 
                                While he cannot enjoy full benefit from his father, he will be more attached to his mother and maternal uncle or maternal things. He will not hesitate to throw away any social or religious laws when warranted for. Hence his married life will be marred with disturbances.
                                 
                                He is prone to diseases connected with blood, blood cancer, jaundice, urinary disorders, blood sugar, tuberculosis, respiratory problems, paralysis and throat trouble.
                                 

                                Next the Rahu is in 9th house in Shatabhishaj Nakshatra. Here Rahu becomes Bhagyesh being in Aq sign, and is also his MATA KARAKA. This Nakshatra should show traits of his bhagyesh and his Mother, as well' from the point of view of this nakshatra (both for the Son and Mother).

                                Male Natives


                                " He will have a soft body, excellent memory power, wide forehead, attractive eyes, bright countenance, prominent nose and bulged abdomen. He would appear to belong to a aristocratic family at the first sight itself. 

                                He is of the type "Satyameva Jayate". He will not hesitate to sacrifice his own life for upholding the truth. As he is born with certain principles, he has to quite often confront with others as he cannot deviate from his principles of life. Selfless service is his motto. He insists on following the religious traditions. He is also of the adamant type. Once he takes a decision it is not easy for others to change his decision. While he is very intelligent and efficient in most of the walks of life, he is very soft in his heart. He is the mixture of good and bad. 

                                When he is provoked, he will rise like a bulldog, but that anger is soon subsided. As he does not believe in pomp and show, he has a feeling of shyness to exhibit his talents. However, his talents will be unearthed due to his interesting and attractive conversation, which will be highly instructive and educative.


                                Period upto 34 years of age will be a trial some period in his profession field. Period after 34 years will be the period of constant progress. Generally he has to face a lot of problems from his dear and near ones. Even then, he always extends  helping hand to his near and dears even without asking for such help. It has been noticed that native has to undergo maximum mental agony due to his brothers. He also cannot enjoy much benefit from his father, whereas full love and affection is derived from his mother.


                                It has also been found that he is not capable of leading a happy married life. In some cases, when there is severe affliction of Saturn and Jupiter, the Jataka remains a chronic bachelor throughout his life. While on the one hand he does not enjoy happy married life, his wife will have all the good qualities that are expected of a companion.

                                Outwardly he may appear to have very good health. He cannot tolerate even the slightest affliction to the body. He is prone to urinary diseases, breathing  trouble and diabetics. As he may develope excess inclination towards physical pleasures, he may have some ailments in the lower region of abdomen.However it will be kept a closely guarded secret from all, except his family physician. He may also have problems, colic troubles and must take precautions to protect himself from the diseases incidental to exposure to cold weather.
                                 
                                Female Natives


                                Tall and lean, fairly handsome, elegant disposition. Flushy lips and broad cheeks with prominent temples.She will be very calm natured. But at certain times she is also hot-tempered. She is very much inclined in the religious activities as she is god fearing. Due to her hot-temperament, she is mostly confronted with family quarrel and this will result in frequent lack of mental peace.She has very good memory. She is highly sympathetic and generous. While she does not expect anything in return for her humanitarian action, she is quite often misunderstood not only by the general public but also by her own family members.
                                 

                                While she loves and adores her husband, her life will be full of problems. Sometimes long separation from her husband or widowhood has also been noticed. Her health will be a cause of concern for her. Urinary and uterus disorders have been noticed. She may also suffer from colic troubles and chest pain. 

                                I will continue in Part-III . With my regards and best wishes .

                                Raj Bhardwaj
                                vedicjyotishspeak@yahoogroups

                                --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                                >
                                > I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi,
                                > systematically.
                                >
                                >
                                > D-1 Chart : 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house Can
                                > with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th
                                > house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21 points/6th
                                > house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23 points/8th
                                > house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house Pi
                                > with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house Ta
                                > with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1 Chart
                                >
                                > Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK , Sun is Prakramesh
                                > (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord. Jup-DK
                                > is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in
                                > 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh is in 12th
                                > house.
                                >
                                > Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house
                                > may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                                >
                                > Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha, with Zero
                                > points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                                >
                                > For other planets let us consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has 2
                                > Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8
                                > and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has
                                > maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and
                                > PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is
                                > some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in
                                > mystry.
                                >
                                > Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also
                                > elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the
                                > Mercury(being the lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents
                                > well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka of
                                > the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                                >
                                > Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and
                                > Jupiter are in BALA Awastha, Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA
                                > Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita
                                > Awastha.
                                >
                                > In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha,
                                > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in
                                > Jagrita Awastha.
                                >
                                > In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are
                                > Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen
                                > (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is
                                > Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious). Here
                                > also It would be pertinent to gather few facts that the PiK , BK and
                                > lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and Khala
                                > Awasthas,denote the family.
                                > In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning),
                                > Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of
                                > Dancing).
                                >
                                > The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun and Jupiter are in
                                > Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in
                                > Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                                >
                                > Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                                >
                                > AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will
                                > face limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to
                                > perform certain work efficiently.
                                >
                                > ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium
                                > results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it may
                                > not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                                >
                                > MOOD or ATTITUDE:- MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in
                                > Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain peacuful. SWASTHA planets
                                > have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural. DUKHIT awastha
                                > planets remain distressed and may be depressive. DEEN Awastha planets
                                > i.e. sad and depressed.
                                >
                                > AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated,
                                > wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                                >
                                > JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and
                                > noble path.
                                >
                                > MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                                >
                                > MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                                >
                                > MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good
                                > possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                                >
                                > VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and
                                > opulent.
                                >
                                > RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in
                                > proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                                >
                                > Next in Part-II
                                >
                                > A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please also
                                > do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be
                                > able to attend such requests henceforth)
                                >
                                > With my regards and best wisshes
                                >
                                > Raj Bhardwaj
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me
                                > and
                                > > i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the truth
                                > > and exposing the frauds
                                > >
                                > > ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu transiting
                                > > on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose
                                > their
                                > > teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                                > > also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care
                                > ,One
                                > > pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                                > > his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but i
                                > > will go tru my methods
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of
                                > dad
                                > > died
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Means a sort of curse on family is there
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                                > > further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot get
                                > > married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some
                                > secrets
                                > > revealed
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Rgrds sunil nair
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                                > > >
                                > > > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it happens
                                > > to
                                > > > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                                > > > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve, but
                                > > > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                                > > >
                                > > > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                                > > > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                                > > > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50 AM.
                                > > >
                                > > > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                                > > > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem. The
                                > > > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                                > > D-9,
                                > > > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house of
                                > > > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present
                                > mahadasha
                                > > of
                                > > > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                                > > >
                                > > > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna are
                                > > in
                                > > > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of
                                > Gem.
                                > > > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                                > > Antar
                                > > > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                                > > >
                                > > > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts.
                                > Different
                                > > > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                                > > >
                                > > > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga
                                > (16)
                                > > > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero Bala
                                > in
                                > > > both the vargas.
                                > > >
                                > > > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is same
                                > > in
                                > > > both the charts.
                                > > >
                                > > > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                                > > both
                                > > > the charts.
                                > > >
                                > > > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                                > > thread,
                                > > > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                                > > take
                                > > > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e.
                                > MOON.
                                > > >
                                > > > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                                > > case,
                                > > > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                                > > > Mercury, respectively.
                                > > >
                                > > > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                                > > >
                                > > > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                                > > > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                                > > >
                                > > > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                                > > >
                                > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Namaskar
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Many thanks for the data
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with a
                                > > > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt
                                > it
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I
                                > will
                                > > > try
                                > > > > to speack up and help in discussion
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made by
                                > > me
                                > > > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after
                                > the
                                > > > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for pop
                                > > > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on charts
                                > > > which
                                > > > > is proven many times
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help him
                                > > and
                                > > > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after his
                                > > > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time
                                > spend
                                > > > on
                                > > > > them and heir pet theories
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                                > > times
                                > > > > then response will b same
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                                > > which
                                > > > > I
                                > > > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match
                                > with
                                > > a
                                > > > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                                > > > > discussed
                                > > > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                                > > > "Circle".
                                > > > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a
                                > different
                                > > > > time
                                > > > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be
                                > of
                                > > > > great
                                > > > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                                > > > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >

                              • Raj
                                Dear Sunil Ji, I am giving below the Part-III of the birth chart analysis of Rahul Gandhi. I hope some discussion on this chart takes place for enhancing our
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                                  Dear Sunil Ji,

                                  I am giving below the Part-III of the birth chart analysis of Rahul Gandhi. I hope some discussion on this chart takes place for enhancing our knowledge !

                                  MERCURY
                                  The lagna lord Mercury is in Rohini, placed in 12th house (Ta). This position of Mer is not considered melefic in Jyotish Texts. As per Brihatjataka, Mer in Ta makes a person learned one, respects his Gurus, always gets wealth, A giver of help to needy, has good number of female friends. As per Chamatkaar Chintamani, Mercury in 12th house mostly blesses with favourable results. He is a learned person, talks straight, a winner, spends on good deeds, helping nature. We can see that only Moon(which owns Rohini) has direct aspect on Mercury, from the 6th house. The traits for Rohini have already been narrated in Part-II.

                                  Moon the 2nd house and Ghati Lagna lord, debilitated in 6th house(Sc), is in the Jyeshtha Nakashatra (owned by Mer). The Moon also happens to be the Atma Karaka.Here it is considered to be creating confusions,health problems(Throat, Nose, Breath, abdomen,urinary infections,breatning,laziness, troubles frrom females,problems and obstacles in the work, number of enemies, set backs in the legal matters, and always desirous. Aspect of benefic Mer, can prove helpful. The effect of Moon being the Atma Karaka and in Jyeshtha nakshatra are given below:-

                                  " Very clean and sober in his mind, but these good qualities will not be noticed by others as he does not believe in show. He is the type of person to whom no secret should be told or given, as he is not able to keep many things  hidden in his mind even if it pertains to his own life. Unless he keeps it open to others he feels that something is missing in his life and good sleep is disturbed.  Due to this temperament he often faces a lot of problems and forms a wall to his progress in life. He never accepts the advice given by others, whereas he acts upon his own consciousness. For the sake of principle he takes on the spot decisions on several matters without seeing the opportunity and circumstances, which can lead him to a precarious state. At times, due to the condition of being hot tempered he will not hesitate to cause problems and troubles even to those who rendered him all possible help when required . He cannot expect any help from the relations.
                                  Outwardly, he appears to be very proud but when we go closer to him it will be evident that it is just the opposite.He must keep away all drugs and alcohol as he is prone to go out of control quickly which can spoil his hard earned reputation, put an hindrance to his profession as also in the family life.

                                  Constant change of jobs or professions are noticed.Period up to 50 years of age will be full of trial and any stability in his life starts thereafter only. Period from 18 years of age to 26 years of age will be period of maximum troubles. During this period he will have to undergo financial problems, mental agony as also in some case mental disarrangement. Period from 27th years of age will be a beginning of progress towards stability, even though the pace will be very slow up to his 50 years of age.

                                  As the Jyeshtha people like and love to likes to keep a separate identity and existence, they are generally not understood well by family members and near and dear ones. His own family (married life) will be completely harmonious and enjoyable  to the maximum, but health problems of his wife and/or separation due to some unavoidable circumstances will greatly affect his mind.

                                  JUPITER

                                  Jupiter, the badhakarka and 7th/10th lord is placed in 5th house of Li. Being lord of 10th house, it is placed in 8th from 10th, though in Trikona. Jupiter also happens to be DARA KARAKA. It is aspected by Saturn from 11th house and Rahu from 9th house. Jup in Libra is generally considered not completely benefic in shastras; though  one may get wealth,friends, and he likes to help others and is generally liked by all. However aspect of Saturn on 5th can create delay in progeny or if progeny arrives, no sukha from progeny may be experienced. However, Jupiter is in Chitra Nakshatra; and some effects of this would also have effect on Jup. This is discussed below :-

                                  He has a lean body. He can be recognized or identified even froma crowd of hundreds of people through his magnificent dealings and expressions. Very  intelligent and peace loving. He will not hesitate to go to any extreme for the sake of selfish benefits. There is a hidden inherent Godly gift for this Nakshatra born i.e., the ideas or opinions or advice expressed by him would initially appear to be a sheer nonsense but later on the same idea or opinion or advice will only prevail upon. There is also an inherent gift of intuition. Hence he is the type of person who is very much fit for the Astrological profession where intuition is very much needed.

                                  In some cases, it is also noticed that the native quite often see a lot of dreams which are actually becoming true. This would indirectly indicate that a divine power is automatically installed in the brain of Citra born.

                                  He is the type of person who is not bothered about the sentiments of others nor is he selfish to others. But in spite of this adamant attitude his dealings with the poorer section of the society will be very cordial and full of kindness. Quite often he is mistaken by others that he is very rude and stingy. He has a tendency of giving reply on any matter without forethought and he wakes up at the eleventh hour and try to rectify his utterances when it is too late.

                                  He has to confront his enemies at every step but he is capable of escaping any conspiracy. He has soft corner for the down trodden people and he devotes his time and energy for the uplift of this section of the society. But one of the hidden factors is that initially his approach to the down trodden will be without any selfish motive, which later on culminates into  motive of gains.

                                  Obstacles in the life are not a hurdle for the advancement.. He can overtake all these hurdles with his courage and hard work. He will not be leading a comfortable life up to the age of 32 years. Period between 33 years and 54 years of age will be his golden period.

                                  One of the redeeming features of Citra born is that he gets help and reward from unexpected quarters without putting much efforts. Age of 22, 27, 30, 36, 39, 43 and 48 years of age will be bad in all respect.

                                  While on the one hand he sincerely loves his co-borns, and parents, on the other hand he suspects the activities of the co-borns and parents. Citra born cannot, in most of the cases enjoy the benefit, love and affection from his father. It is also noticed that the father of the native leads a separated life. In any case, he has a life away from his father. One of the points noticed is that his father in spite of separation from the native have some distinct identity of his own i.e., will be famous or known in a particular field. He is more attached to his mother and enjoys benefits from the maternal side.

                                  Normally he cannot enjoy a happy married life. When we say a happy married life, while the marriage will be stable the relationship between the couples will not be cordial leading to frequent friction on small matters. He has to shoulder lot of responsibilities and face lot of criticisms throughout his life.

                                   Inflammation of kidney and bladder, brain fever, diseases connected with worms. Abdominal tumors or appendicitis also have been noticed.
                                   
                                  Female

                                  Females born in this Nakshatra will also equally enjoy the same results mentioned above for the male natives, except that the females are more subjected to the hands of unlucky fate. She has a beautiful envious body. She will be tall with equally matched fleshy body. Her eagerness for excess of freedom and unrespectable behavior makes problems still complicated. She is proud for no merits.  Can be a sinful and lazy female.

                                  She will have her education in science subjects. She may be a nurse or a model or a film actress. If planets are not well or moderately placed, she may be employed in agricultural field.

                                  Unless the horoscope of a female native is compared properly there is likelihood of death of the partner, divorce or complete absence of pleasure from the husband. In some cases, childlessness is also noticed.

                                  Now we may have look at Saturn, which is 8th and 9th lord and placed in debilitation in the 11th house. It has spects on lagna, 5th and 8th house. Saturn is Amatya Karaka and is in Bharni nakshatra. Ketu from 3rd house and Jup from 5th house are aspecting Saturn. Here it is also interesting to note apart from Saturn, Jupiter is also aspecting 9th house and lagna from the 5th house.

                                  SATURN

                                  Debilitated Saturn in the 11th house is the only planet, which is creating a Vipreet Rajyoga in the chart, the lord of 8th house in 11th,which is considered a very good Rajyoga. Let us see how Saturn is having effects on the chart in Bharani Nakshatra:-

                                  " Native is of medium size, with less hair, large forehead, bright eyes,beautiful teeth. His complexion will be ruddy and fairly long neck and face. Bharani born is not generally liked by all, in spite of the fact that he is pure hearted and does not like to harm anybody. When he wants to express his opinion in any matter he is just not bothered about the sentiments of others. He will not like to get anything for himself by buttering. Come what may, he is not ready to work against his consciousness whether  according to others, right or wrong. Due to this attitude he has to face a lot of resistance and failures.

                                  He won't hesitate to spoil the relationship even with near and dear ones on small matters. But when he is convinced of his fault, and if the critics/ opponents come forward with folded hands, he will completely forget their enmity and start reciprocating sincerely. Tactful behavior is alien to him. He is far away from the state of obedience. Arrogance quite often leads him to miseries. Subordination is equal to death for him. When he has to bow to others, he becomes pensive.

                                  He will generally be having a good all-round knowledge. He has the capacity to go deep into any matter. Even though Bharani born will shine well in public life, he tends to face criticism and loss of wealth.He likes to command others and will always be eager to establish supremacy. He cannot march forward without hurdles and will have to face stiff competition, and in the run he quite often faces failures. For others, he may appear to be arrogant, but the truth is that he is pure hearted. His life is full of ups and downs.

                                  Therefore it is advisable for such persons not involve in unnecessary arguments or competition. He will fight for certain principles which will ultimately lead him into trouble. . As said above that his life is full of ups and downs, there will not be any good or bad periods for long time. In short, ha has to always face a life of mixture of good and bad. He is quite capable of looking after others but he needs some one to look after him.
                                  Ultimately his beneficiary and friends turn against him. He cannot establish permanent relationship with anyone.After his 33 years of age there will be a positive change in his surroundings, in his life, and in his livelihood. He is fit for any type of work, particularly in administrative job, business, sports, automobile or restaurants. He can also be a good Judge.

                                  Generally he does not take care of his health. Main possible diseases are dental problem, diabetes and severe body pain, affliction of brain, high fever, apoplexy, ring worms and malaria. Normally he is a very poor eater. He believes in the principle of 'eating to live and living to eat'. He is afraid of water and as is the thought, he should be careful while traveling through water, taking bath in rivers, oceans and ponds.


                                  Dashas in his life

                                  At birth MERCURY dasha was in play from birth, which finished on 23-7-1971. Next was KETU  till 2-4-1980. Dasha of VENUS was for 20 years from 2-4-1980 upto 30-1-200, which was followed by dasha of SUN upto 30-3-2006. The present dasha of MOON is operative since 30-3-2006; and will end on 2-10-2016.
                                  This Mahadasha of Moon,who is the Ghati Lagna lord (GL is considered for Power,Rule,high responsibility) and also his Atmakaraka in the chart, has brought his personality in the public,the country started to recognise him in patches; and he has been able to get a large following from Youths, with his constant sincere efforts.
                                  Now he is running the Antardasha of Moon-Saturn from 2-7-2011 upto 29-1-2013.
                                  Lot of upheavel in the country and the Congress is being witnessed. January has been the most trying period for both country and Congress. Here the role of his Atma Karaka and the Amatya Karaka(Saturn- Ministers or Advisers) and his Mother (Rahu) have had great churning in his mind.

                                  Presently he is running the Sookshma dasha of Moon-Sat-Jup-Rahu from 18-1-2013 till 29-1-2013. The events of 19th and 20th January in his life are epoch making. Here the role of his, lord of GL (Moon), Bhagyesh(Saturn/Rahu), and lord of 10th house (Jup) have played their roles very effectively and forcefully, on 19th and 20th January, when all oher planets were also placed very well in their transits.

                                  As the Vice President of Congress Party , his address in the Congres Chintan Shivir is considered as one of the best political speech, as it was the speech of his father Rajiv Gandhi, when the circumstances and events catapulated him to become Prime Minister of India, at one of the most troubled period in the country, after independence.

                                  The present mahadasha of Moon is the 5th dasha in his life, which is considered to be very important. The remaining antardashas in his Moon Mahadasha are Mercury from 29-1-2013 till 1-7-21014, Ketu from 1-7-2014 till 30-1-2015, Venus from 30-1-2015 till  2-10-2016 and lastly Sun from 2-10-2016 upto 30-3-2017 . 

                                  After this his 6th Mahadasha of MARS will be for 07 yeras starting  from 30-3-2017 upto 20-3-2024. 

                                  For now, present mahadasha of Moon is throwing up  great challenges in his life, politically speaking.

                                  Raj Bhardwaj


                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   


                                  --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Dear Sunil Ji,
                                  >
                                  > As promised, I am continuing with the birth chart analysis of Rahul
                                  > Gandhi:-
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > In D-1 Sun and Mars from the Ist house are aspecting the 7th house.
                                  > Placement of Sun indicates positivity for the lagna. Mars is also
                                  > aspecting 4th,7th and 8th house.However Mars can give health problems
                                  > every now and then, being the 6th lord , as also misunderstanding with
                                  > the sister.
                                  >
                                  > Second house of Cn is GL,with Venus (5th and 12th lord). Debilitated
                                  > Moon is placed in the 8th house. Ketu is placed in 3rd house(Le).
                                  > Jupiter as the lord of 7th(Badhakaraka house) and 10th house is placed
                                  > in the 5th house, and aspected by debilitated Saturn from the 11th
                                  > house. This is reflecting the delay in marriage and progeny. Saturn,lord
                                  > of 8th and 9th house is aspecting 1st,5th and 8th house. Rahu is placed
                                  > in the 9th.
                                  >
                                  > Sun is Yogi, Saturn is Avyogi and Venus is Sahyogi planet.The 64th
                                  > Navamsha is Jup and 22nd Drekan is Sat.
                                  >
                                  > In the D-9 chart, lagna is Sg. Jup is in 11th house.Rahu in 2nd house.
                                  > The lord of 2nd and 2rd Sat is in 12th house posited with Sun,the
                                  > bhagyesh. Mars(5th and 12th lord) and Moon (lord of 8th) are in 4th(Pi).
                                  > Mercury the 7th lord and 10th lord ,badhakarka, is in 6th house. Deb
                                  > Venus (6th and 11th lord is in 10th house of Vir.
                                  >
                                  > In other words the Jup the 7th house lord (Sg) in D-1 has become the
                                  > lagna lord in the D-9 chart, and Mercury has become badhakarka in this
                                  > chart. Thus both these planets have implications in these 2 charts and
                                  > the houses where they are respectively placed in D-1 and D-9 i.e. Jup in
                                  > 5th house of D-1, and Mercury in 6th house of D-9 chart respectively.
                                  >
                                  > Normally the Badhas(obstacles) are indicative of thoughts which are
                                  > either created in the mind/thought process/reactions to various
                                  > situations, by the badhak bhavas and planets,their
                                  > Karkattva/relationships they represent from the badhak house.In both the
                                  > D-1 and D-9 ,7th house in the Astrology is considered for a number of
                                  > matters. Mainly marriage partener /parteners in the trade, business, as
                                  > also the problems/desease seen from the 7th house. However, benefic
                                  > aspects of other planets, can mitigate or aggravate the
                                  > obstacles,depending upon their respective nature,lordship of
                                  > bhavas,strength and the weaknes etc.
                                  >
                                  > His own suffering and his mothers suffering can be seen from the 4th and
                                  > 10th houses of D-1,D-9 and D-12 charts respectively,as these house are
                                  > owned by Jup and Mercury respectively; and happen to be the Badhakas in
                                  > these charts. His grandmother's brutal murder had also great impact on
                                  > his mind,when he was just growing up, if we consider the 4th house from
                                  > 10th house for the paternal Grand mother.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > The next important aspect of his chart are Nakshatra. The Lagna is in
                                  > Ardra and lagnesh Mercury is in Rohini. If we examine Ardra , It has
                                  > been noticed that various natives of Aridra have different shape of
                                  > structure, right from the slim and short structure to fat and lengthy
                                  > structure.
                                  >
                                  > Jataka undertakes any work entrusted to him in a responsible manner. In
                                  > the public meetings he creates an atmosphere of humor and keeps every
                                  > body attracted to him. He has intuitive perception. He is good
                                  > psychologist. His dealings with his friends and relatives will be of
                                  > very much cordial type. In some cases it is also noticed that the native
                                  > is thankless to the persons who have given him help and may not have
                                  > constant type of behavior.
                                  >
                                  > He has the capacity to acquire and keep knowledge of almost all the
                                  > subjects. However, in spite of these good qualities he cannot attain
                                  > much fame or reward out of such knowledge. Since he is over sincere in
                                  > the work and as also to the persons, even the slightest problem which
                                  > may be confronted will land him into maximum mental agony. However, even
                                  > during the time of extreme hardships both financial and mental, he can
                                  > keep his head cool, behave in a most respectable and attractive manner.
                                  > Because of this quality he is very much involved in others heart.
                                  >
                                  > He will not stick to only one line of work, whereas he would like to
                                  > undertake a number of work at any time. Even when he comes to know
                                  > that the line of action or though which he has taken is the correct
                                  > approach but according to others it is not correct, he will not hesitate
                                  > to subdue and respect others. In case he undertakes research work on any
                                  > particular line he can shine well. In the business field also he can
                                  > attain much success.
                                  >
                                  > Most of the selfless social workers are born in this Nakshatra. In case
                                  > he undertakes a travel for a specific job, he will oversee other
                                  > connected work also which can be carried out simultaneously.
                                  >
                                  > Normally, the native earns his livelihood away from his home and family.
                                  > In other words he is settled in foreign places. Period between 32years
                                  > and 42 years of age will be the good period of rise for him.
                                  >
                                  > His marriage will be delayed. In case marriage takes place early he will
                                  > be compelled to live separately from the family either due to difference
                                  > of opinion between the couple or due to other circumstances beyond his
                                  > control. He will have to face several inherent problems of the life. But
                                  > he will not reflect his problems outwardly.When the marriage takes place
                                  > at a late stage his married life will be good. His spouse will exercise
                                  > full control over him."
                                  >
                                  > He may have some diseases, which could also turn to be incurable. For
                                  > example, paralysis, heart trouble and dental problems. He is also prone
                                  > to Asthma, esonophilia, and dry cough, ear trouble."
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > The owner of Ardra Nakhatra, RAHU is placed in the 9th house of Aq. In
                                  > this house Rahu is in his own nakshatra i.e. Satabhisha. Rahu is chara
                                  > MATA KARAKA. This also reflects a good influence of his mother, in
                                  > nurturing him as his Mother Guru in the politics.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > His lagna lord Merucry is in Rohini and is charakaraka(significator) of
                                  > PITA. Let us see the effect of this nakahatra in his life of both the
                                  > Son and Putra:-
                                  >
                                  > " He is short tempered. Once he gets angry, it will not subside quite
                                  > easily, and nobody can change his decision. He becomes extremely
                                  > obstinate if some one attempts to over-ride his opinions or thwart his
                                  > plans. He remains oblivious to any advice or ideas counter to his own.
                                  > He has special knack to find faults of others. Whereas, he cannot work
                                  > with a fixed aim. He is ruled by his heart rather than his brain. While
                                  > he is ready to sacrifice everything for his loved ones, he will not
                                  > hesitate to cause extreme trouble to the hated. He feels impressed upon
                                  > his own work.
                                  >
                                  > Acceptance of the truth and discard of the false is his plus point. His
                                  > life is full of ups and downs as he does not try to pre-plan his
                                  > objectives. He can attain great success in his life provided a little
                                  > restraint is kept in the freedom of his mind. There is no tomorrow for
                                  > him. He spends everything for today's comfort.
                                  >
                                  > 3. As far as possible he tries to be more sincere and honest in all the
                                  > work he undertakes. But he lacks patience and forgiveness. He tries to
                                  > be jack off all arts and in the process he fails to pass through the
                                  > path of requisite rhythm and system.
                                  >
                                  > His freedom of mind will quite often lead him to the downfall. It is
                                  > also seen that some Rohini born persons have risen from the lowest rung
                                  > of life due to the finest placements of other planets.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Periods between the age of 18 years and 36 years will be the most trial
                                  > some periods. He will have to face a lot of problems economically,
                                  > socially and on health grounds. It is often noticed that such people
                                  > enjoy their life's best between the age of 38 years and 50 years and 65
                                  > years and 75 years of age. One of the primary factors to be born in mind
                                  > is that he should never take anybody into confidence.. He has to be
                                  > extra careful in his business partners and employees. There is an
                                  > inherent drawback in him that he blindly believes others. For a happy
                                  > existence, it is suggested that he should screen the persons thoroughly
                                  > before confidence is bestowed on such persons.
                                  >
                                  > While he cannot enjoy full benefit from his father, he will be more
                                  > attached to his mother and maternal uncle or maternal things. He will
                                  > not hesitate to throw away any social or religious laws when warranted
                                  > for. Hence his married life will be marred with disturbances.
                                  >
                                  > He is prone to diseases connected with blood, blood cancer, jaundice,
                                  > urinary disorders, blood sugar, tuberculosis, respiratory problems,
                                  > paralysis and throat trouble.
                                  >
                                  > Next the Rahu is in 9th house in Shatabhishaj Nakshatra. Here Rahu
                                  > becomes Bhagyesh being in Aq sign, and is also his MATA KARAKA. This
                                  > Nakshatra should show traits of his bhagyesh and his Mother, as well'
                                  > from the point of view of this nakshatra (both for the Son and Mother).
                                  >
                                  > Male Natives
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > " He will have a soft body, excellent memory power, wide forehead,
                                  > attractive eyes, bright countenance, prominent nose and bulged abdomen.
                                  > He would appear to belong to a aristocratic family at the first sight
                                  > itself.
                                  >
                                  > He is of the type "Satyameva Jayate". He will not hesitate to sacrifice
                                  > his own life for upholding the truth. As he is born with certain
                                  > principles, he has to quite often confront with others as he cannot
                                  > deviate from his principles of life. Selfless service is his motto. He
                                  > insists on following the religious traditions. He is also of the adamant
                                  > type. Once he takes a decision it is not easy for others to change his
                                  > decision. While he is very intelligent and efficient in most of the
                                  > walks of life, he is very soft in his heart. He is the mixture of good
                                  > and bad.
                                  >
                                  > When he is provoked, he will rise like a bulldog, but that anger is soon
                                  > subsided. As he does not believe in pomp and show, he has a feeling of
                                  > shyness to exhibit his talents. However, his talents will be unearthed
                                  > due to his interesting and attractive conversation, which will be highly
                                  > instructive and educative.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Period upto 34 years of age will be a trial some period in his
                                  > profession field. Period after 34 years will be the period of constant
                                  > progress. Generally he has to face a lot of problems from his dear and
                                  > near ones. Even then, he always extends helping hand to his near and
                                  > dears even without asking for such help. It has been noticed that native
                                  > has to undergo maximum mental agony due to his brothers. He also cannot
                                  > enjoy much benefit from his father, whereas full love and affection is
                                  > derived from his mother.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > It has also been found that he is not capable of leading a happy married
                                  > life. In some cases, when there is severe affliction of Saturn and
                                  > Jupiter, the Jataka remains a chronic bachelor throughout his life.
                                  > While on the one hand he does not enjoy happy married life, his wife
                                  > will have all the good qualities that are expected of a companion.
                                  >
                                  > Outwardly he may appear to have very good health. He cannot tolerate
                                  > even the slightest affliction to the body. He is prone to urinary
                                  > diseases, breathing trouble and diabetics. As he may develope excess
                                  > inclination towards physical pleasures, he may have some ailments in the
                                  > lower region of abdomen.However it will be kept a closely guarded secret
                                  > from all, except his family physician. He may also have problems, colic
                                  > troubles and must take precautions to protect himself from the diseases
                                  > incidental to exposure to cold weather.
                                  >
                                  > Female Natives
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Tall and lean, fairly handsome, elegant disposition. Flushy lips and
                                  > broad cheeks with prominent temples.She will be very calm natured. But
                                  > at certain times she is also hot-tempered. She is very much inclined in
                                  > the religious activities as she is god fearing. Due to her
                                  > hot-temperament, she is mostly confronted with family quarrel and this
                                  > will result in frequent lack of mental peace.She has very good memory.
                                  > She is highly sympathetic and generous. While she does not expect
                                  > anything in return for her humanitarian action, she is quite often
                                  > misunderstood not only by the general public but also by her own family
                                  > members.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > While she loves and adores her husband, her life will be full of
                                  > problems. Sometimes long separation from her husband or widowhood has
                                  > also been noticed. Her health will be a cause of concern for her.
                                  > Urinary and uterus disorders have been noticed. She may also suffer from
                                  > colic troubles and chest pain.
                                  >
                                  > I will continue in Part-III . With my regards and best wishes .
                                  >
                                  > Raj Bhardwaj
                                  > vedicjyotishspeak@yahoogroups
                                  >
                                  > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Sunil Ji and all members,,
                                  > >
                                  > > I am starting the analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi,
                                  > > systematically.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > D-1 Chart : 1st house Gem with Sun,Mars,with 24 AV Points/2nd house
                                  > Can
                                  > > with Venus,with 29 points/3rd house Leo with Ketu, with 30 points/4th
                                  > > house Virgo with 35 points/5th house Libra with (Ju),with 21
                                  > points/6th
                                  > > house Sc with Neech Moon, with 25 points/7th house Sg with 23
                                  > points/8th
                                  > > house Cap with 29 points/9th house Aq with Rahu, 27 points/10th house
                                  > Pi
                                  > > with 35 points/11th house Ar with Neech Saturn, 37 points/12th house
                                  > Ta
                                  > > with Lagnesh Mer,22 points.There is no Neech Rajbhanga Yoga in D-1
                                  > Chart
                                  > >
                                  > > Placement of Chara Karakas: - Sun-GK and Mars-BK , Sun is Prakramesh
                                  > > (3d lord), Mars-BK is Rogesh and Ayesh as the 6th and 11th lord.
                                  > Jup-DK
                                  > > is 7th and 10th lord. Moon is 2nd lord-AK in the 6th, Rahu-MK is in
                                  > > 9th,Saturn - AmK in 11th and lastly Mercury -Pik and lagnesh is in
                                  > 12th
                                  > > house.
                                  > >
                                  > > Overall the lst house, 5th house, 7th house, 9th house and 12th house
                                  > > may be said to be weak in AV strength(below 30).
                                  > >
                                  > > Sun the natural Pik and Charakarka GK is in Baal Awastha, with Zero
                                  > > points in Vaiseshikansha Bala of 10 Vargas and 16 Vargas.
                                  > >
                                  > > For other planets let us consider only the 16 Vargas, herein Moon has
                                  > 2
                                  > > Points, Mars 3 points ,Mercury 4, Jupiter 4, Venus 6, Saturn 3, Rahu 8
                                  > > and Ketu 7 points respectively. We may observe that RAHU the MK has
                                  > > maximum of 8 Points (Chandanvan), followed by Mercury, the lagnesh and
                                  > > PIK, with strength of 4 points. The Venus-PK has 8 points,but here is
                                  > > some mystry(which I will analyse in the area of marriage, shrouded in
                                  > > mystry.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thus through the strength of Father and Mother Charakarkas ; as also
                                  > > elder sister for whom the significator is Mars( with 3 points) and the
                                  > > Mercury(being the lagnesh of Rahul Gandhi with 4 points, represents
                                  > > well the overall image of the family members. Moon as the Atmakaraka
                                  > of
                                  > > the jataka has strentgh of just 2.
                                  > >
                                  > > Further, while looking into Age factor of planets,the Sun, Moon and
                                  > > Jupiter are in BALA Awastha, Mars,Mercury,Rahu and Ketu are in YUVA
                                  > > Avastha. The Venus is in Vridha Awastha and lastly the Saturn is Mrita
                                  > > Awastha.
                                  > >
                                  > > In the Alertness (D-1)Sun,Moon,Mercury are in Swapna Awastha,
                                  > > Mars,Jupiter,Venus,Saturn and Ketu are in Sushupta Awastha.Rahu is in
                                  > > Jagrita Awastha.
                                  > >
                                  > > In Moods (D-1), Sun is Shanta (Peaceful),Moon,Venus are
                                  > > Dukhit(distressed) plus Khala (mischievious),Mars and Jupiter are Deen
                                  > > (Sad), Ketu is Deen and Khala, Jupiter is Mudit(delighted), Rahu is
                                  > > Swasstha(comfortable),Mudit (delighted)and Khala (Mischivious). Here
                                  > > also It would be pertinent to gather few facts that the PiK , BK and
                                  > > lastly the Rahu,who is overall in Yuva,Jaagrita,Swastha,Mudit and
                                  > Khala
                                  > > Awasthas,denote the family.
                                  > > In the Activity stage of the planets: Sun is in Aagam (Returning),
                                  > > Moon,Mars,Venus,Rahu and Ketu are all in Nritya Lipsa (desirous of
                                  > > Dancing).
                                  > >
                                  > > The Activity of Planets in this chart is : Sun and Jupiter are in
                                  > > Aagama(returning), Moon ,Mars and Venus ,Rahu and Ket are in
                                  > > Nrityalipsa, Mercury is in Aagaman and Saturn in Upaveshan.
                                  > >
                                  > > Explanations for above given states of Planets:-.
                                  > >
                                  > > AGE:-A planet in Baal Awastha,Vridha Awastha and Mrita Awastha will
                                  > > face limitations and obstacles like human beings, and are unable to
                                  > > perform certain work efficiently.
                                  > >
                                  > > ALERTNESS:-Planets in Swapna Awastha have tendency to grant medium
                                  > > results.Planets in SUSHUPTA awastha is in sleeping or Nidra,hence it
                                  > may
                                  > > not be able to react to situations in positive manner.
                                  > >
                                  > > MOOD or ATTITUDE:- MUDIT planets can give good results as they are in
                                  > > Delighted stage. SHAANT planets may remain peacuful. SWASTHA planets
                                  > > have tendency to do well, are comfortable and natural. DUKHIT awastha
                                  > > planets remain distressed and may be depressive. DEEN Awastha planets
                                  > > i.e. sad and depressed.
                                  > >
                                  > > AVTIVITY:-SUN in Agaam: Troubled by enemies, fickle minded, emaciated,
                                  > > wanton, unable to follow dharma and karma.
                                  > >
                                  > > JUPITER in Agaam:- Comforts, Honours, Knowledge, Friends, lerning and
                                  > > noble path.
                                  > >
                                  > > MERCURY in Aggaman:- Visits Courts of Kings frequently,wealthy.
                                  > >
                                  > > MOON in Nrityalipsa:-Strong, Knowledge of Poetry and music.
                                  > >
                                  > > MARS in Nrityalipsa:- Wealthy through Royal connections. Has good
                                  > > possession of Gold,Diamonds etc.
                                  > >
                                  > > VENUS in Nrityalipsa:-Skilful in literature,arts. Meritorious and
                                  > > opulent.
                                  > >
                                  > > RAHU and KETU in Nrityalipsa:- Wanderer, has affairs, losses in
                                  > > proession, steals (ideas,thoughts, assets)
                                  > >
                                  > > Next in Part-II
                                  > >
                                  > > A request : Please do not circulate in oher Jyotish Groups. Please
                                  > also
                                  > > do not send me personal request for your chart reading, I will not be
                                  > > able to attend such requests henceforth)
                                  > >
                                  > > With my regards and best wisshes
                                  > >
                                  > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dear Raj bhardwaj JI
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Many thanks for the Good words and u Know that nothing can deter me
                                  > > and
                                  > > > i dont care any threatening as that can stop me frm telling the
                                  > truth
                                  > > > and exposing the frauds
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ,this year i will make money frm enemies who has sani +rahu
                                  > transiting
                                  > > > on imp bhava in chart if they come to fight with me and they lose
                                  > > their
                                  > > > teeth like they bite iron pillar and will hav to do a public apology
                                  > > > also for defrauding on rishies and ancient sidhantha s .so who care
                                  > > ,One
                                  > > > pandit yestrday came to me told me this same too ,
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks for starting the analysis on rahul Gandhi Ji chart
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I don't use GL etc and I use simple direct methods ( let us assume
                                  > > > his data is correct ) hence u all can use it if u r comfortable but
                                  > i
                                  > > > will go tru my methods
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Now we need to see the events in his which is major one
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > His dad died in a most pathetic way and his grand mother and bro of
                                  > > dad
                                  > > > died
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Means a sort of curse on family is there
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So we need to trace it birth chart b4 Jumping on predicting any
                                  > > > further ,what do u say ?? Plus he is a batchlor ( means who cannot
                                  > get
                                  > > > married than he accpeted some sanyasa or monk Hood )
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Also I invite other members to participate than waiting for some
                                  > > secrets
                                  > > > revealed
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Main secret of success in astrology is hard work
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Dear Sh Sunil Nair Ji,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I appreciate the feelings conveyed in your msg. I believe it
                                  > happens
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > almost all Jyotishis in the Groups; and like you, I am also not an
                                  > > > > exception. These tirades,thankless attitude will never improve,
                                  > but
                                  > > > > then, many of us will go on doing, what we have been doing so far.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Now coming to Rahul Gandhi's chart. I have checked the chart , by
                                  > > > > advancing the time of birth by 4 minutes. I am giving below the
                                  > > > > differences, between the time of birth taken as 5.46 AM and 5.50
                                  > AM.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (A) Birth time taken as 5:50 AM :- There is no change in the chart
                                  > > > > ,planets,Nakshatras. The Hora Lagna is in the 1st house of Gem.
                                  > The
                                  > > > > Ghati Lagna(Power,authority,ruling) is in 2nd house of Cancer. In
                                  > > > D-9,
                                  > > > > the Hora Lagna is in 3rd house of Aq. Ghati Lagna is in 7th house
                                  > of
                                  > > > > Gem. The mahadasha of Mer starts from 30-3-1957. In present
                                  > > mahadasha
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > Moon , the Antar of Shani is from 2-07-2011 till 29-1-2013.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (B)Birth time taken as 5:46 AM:- The Ghati Lagna and Hora Lagna
                                  > are
                                  > > > in
                                  > > > > 1st house of Ge. In D-9 Chart Ghati Lagna is in the 7th house of
                                  > > Gem.
                                  > > > > The MD of Mer starts from 17-4-1957. In present MD of Moon , the
                                  > > > Antar
                                  > > > > of Shani is from 21-07-2011 till 16-o2-2013.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (C) The sodhya,Rasi and Graha Pinda are same in both charts.
                                  > > Different
                                  > > > > Balas are also same,say for some very minor difference.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (D) The Vaiseshikansha bala of Dasa Varga (10) and Shodasha Varga
                                  > > (16)
                                  > > > > is same for all planets in both the charts, where Sun has Zero
                                  > Bala
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > both the vargas.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (E) The Age,Alertness, Mood and Activity of all the planaets is
                                  > same
                                  > > > in
                                  > > > > both the charts.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > (F) The Ashtak Varga and the Bindus of all the planets are same in
                                  > > > both
                                  > > > > the charts.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > What I feel that as other members would also participate in this
                                  > > > thread,
                                  > > > > we should select a common time of his birth; and I suggest that we
                                  > > > take
                                  > > > > it as 5:50 AM , in which the Ghati Lagna Swami will be same i.e.
                                  > > MOON.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > If you think otherwise, then the lord of GL will be Mer. In this
                                  > > > case,
                                  > > > > while analysing political career , we may take care of Moon and
                                  > > > > Mercury, respectively.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I shall wait for your suggestion; and begin with my reading.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I have started feeling litle peace of mind by detaching from the
                                  > > > > skirmishes and stupid threats by Mr Know All.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > With my best wishes and regards to you and all the members.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                  > > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Sunil" wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Dear shri Raj Bhardwaj Ji
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Namaskar
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Many thanks for the data
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I also has similar data –I think forwarded by some one,with
                                  > a
                                  > > > > > diffrnce of 4 minits ahead tho i never ever try to rectify it
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Now I limit my comments till some one realy start discussing abt
                                  > > it
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Till then I will b in silent mode ,if members are interested I
                                  > > will
                                  > > > > try
                                  > > > > > to speack up and help in discussion
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Even in any situations when ever political predictions are made
                                  > by
                                  > > > me
                                  > > > > > I was not after some name tho many keep silent later even after
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > > event happened ,I myself never ventured my self to predict for
                                  > pop
                                  > > > > > astrology trends and I hav my own proven methods to work on
                                  > charts
                                  > > > > which
                                  > > > > > is proven many times
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Even last time when some one asked abt modi Ji I tried to help
                                  > him
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > > done some predictions tho the poster himself is vanished after
                                  > his
                                  > > > > > agenda is finished and this people will not giv a damn to time
                                  > > spend
                                  > > > > on
                                  > > > > > them and heir pet theories
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Hence I am behaving roughly to many because even if u cater 1000
                                  > > > times
                                  > > > > > then response will b same
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Rgrds sunil nair
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji and Dushyant Ji,
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Namaste ! I am giving below the birth details of Rahul Gandhi,
                                  > > > which
                                  > > > > > I
                                  > > > > > > have. I have corrected the birth time by few minutes to match
                                  > > with
                                  > > > a
                                  > > > > > > few events. During past 2 years a number of events have been
                                  > > > > > discussed
                                  > > > > > > by me with few friends,who have confirmed these, from their
                                  > > > > "Circle".
                                  > > > > > > However if any member is having some info/knowledge of a
                                  > > different
                                  > > > > > time
                                  > > > > > > of birth, I request that it may please be shared. This will be
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > > great
                                  > > > > > > help for an healthy discussion.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Date : June 19, 1970
                                  > > > > > > Time : 05:46 AM, New Delhi
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > With my best wishes and regards.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • trivedi20
                                  Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM? Scientist
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                                    Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?

                                    Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.

                                    Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.

                                    Hope to get an answer.

                                    D D Trivedi
                                  • Sunil
                                    Dear Raj Ji Thanks for the elaborate write up I hope every one will start discussing the chart and giv out their opinions Let us see Rgrds sunil nair ...
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                                      Dear Raj Ji

                                       

                                      Thanks for the  elaborate  write up

                                       

                                      I hope every one will start discussing the chart and giv out their opinions

                                       

                                      Let us see

                                       

                                      Rgrds sunil nair  

                                      --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Dear Sunil Ji,
                                      >
                                      > I am giving below the Part-III of the birth chart analysis of Rahul
                                      > Gandhi. I hope some discussion on this chart takes place for enhancing
                                      > our knowledge !
                                      >
                                      > MERCURY
                                      > The lagna lord Mercury is in Rohini, placed in 12th house (Ta). This
                                      > position of Mer is not considered melefic in Jyotish Texts. As per
                                      > Brihatjataka, Mer in Ta makes a person learned one, respects his Gurus,
                                      > always gets wealth, A giver of help to needy, has good number of female
                                      > friends. As per Chamatkaar Chintamani, Mercury in 12th house mostly
                                      > blesses with favourable results. He is a learned person, talks straight,
                                      > a winner, spends on good deeds, helping nature. We can see that only
                                      > Moon(which owns Rohini) has direct aspect on Mercury, from the 6th
                                      > house. The traits for Rohini have already been narrated in Part-II.
                                      >
                                      > Moon the 2nd house and Ghati Lagna lord, debilitated in 6th house(Sc),
                                      > is in the Jyeshtha Nakashatra (owned by Mer). The Moon also happens to
                                      > be the Atma Karaka.Here it is considered to be creating
                                      > confusions,health problems(Throat, Nose, Breath, abdomen,urinary
                                      > infections,breatning,laziness, troubles frrom females,problems and
                                      > obstacles in the work, number of enemies, set backs in the legal
                                      > matters, and always desirous. Aspect of benefic Mer, can prove helpful.
                                      > The effect of Moon being the Atma Karaka and in Jyeshtha nakshatra are
                                      > given below:-
                                      >
                                      > " Very clean and sober in his mind, but these good qualities will not be
                                      > noticed by others as he does not believe in show. He is the type of
                                      > person to whom no secret should be told or given, as he is not able to
                                      > keep many things hidden in his mind even if it pertains to his own
                                      > life. Unless he keeps it open to others he feels that something is
                                      > missing in his life and good sleep is disturbed. Due to this
                                      > temperament he often faces a lot of problems and forms a wall to his
                                      > progress in life. He never accepts the advice given by others, whereas
                                      > he acts upon his own consciousness. For the sake of principle he takes
                                      > on the spot decisions on several matters without seeing the opportunity
                                      > and circumstances, which can lead him to a precarious state. At times,
                                      > due to the condition of being hot tempered he will not hesitate to cause
                                      > problems and troubles even to those who rendered him all possible help
                                      > when required . He cannot expect any help from the relations.
                                      > Outwardly, he appears to be very proud but when we go closer to him it
                                      > will be evident that it is just the opposite.He must keep away all drugs
                                      > and alcohol as he is prone to go out of control quickly which can spoil
                                      > his hard earned reputation, put an hindrance to his profession as also
                                      > in the family life.
                                      >
                                      > Constant change of jobs or professions are noticed.Period up to 50 years
                                      > of age will be full of trial and any stability in his life starts
                                      > thereafter only. Period from 18 years of age to 26 years of age will be
                                      > period of maximum troubles. During this period he will have to undergo
                                      > financial problems, mental agony as also in some case mental
                                      > disarrangement. Period from 27th years of age will be a beginning of
                                      > progress towards stability, even though the pace will be very slow up to
                                      > his 50 years of age.
                                      >
                                      > As the Jyeshtha people like and love to likes to keep a separate
                                      > identity and existence, they are generally not understood well by family
                                      > members and near and dear ones. His own family (married life) will be
                                      > completely harmonious and enjoyable to the maximum, but health problems
                                      > of his wife and/or separation due to some unavoidable circumstances will
                                      > greatly affect his mind.
                                      >
                                      > JUPITER
                                      >
                                      > Jupiter, the badhakarka and 7th/10th lord is placed in 5th house of Li.
                                      > Being lord of 10th house, it is placed in 8th from 10th, though in
                                      > Trikona. Jupiter also happens to be DARA KARAKA. It is aspected by
                                      > Saturn from 11th house and Rahu from 9th house. Jup in Libra is
                                      > generally considered not completely benefic in shastras; though one may
                                      > get wealth,friends, and he likes to help others and is generally liked
                                      > by all. However aspect of Saturn on 5th can create delay in progeny or
                                      > if progeny arrives, no sukha from progeny may be experienced. However,
                                      > Jupiter is in Chitra Nakshatra; and some effects of this would also have
                                      > effect on Jup. This is discussed below :-
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > He has a lean body. He can be recognized or identified even froma crowd
                                      > of hundreds of people through his magnificent dealings and expressions.
                                      > Very intelligent and peace loving. He will not hesitate to go to any
                                      > extreme for the sake of selfish benefits. There is a hidden inherent
                                      > Godly gift for this Nakshatra born i.e., the ideas or opinions or advice
                                      > expressed by him would initially appear to be a sheer nonsense but later
                                      > on the same idea or opinion or advice will only prevail upon. There is
                                      > also an inherent gift of intuition. Hence he is the type of person who
                                      > is very much fit for the Astrological profession where intuition is very
                                      > much needed.
                                      >
                                      > In some cases, it is also noticed that the native quite often see a lot
                                      > of dreams which are actually becoming true. This would indirectly
                                      > indicate that a divine power is automatically installed in the brain of
                                      > Citra born.
                                      >
                                      > He is the type of person who is not bothered about the sentiments of
                                      > others nor is he selfish to others. But in spite of this adamant
                                      > attitude his dealings with the poorer section of the society will be
                                      > very cordial and full of kindness. Quite often he is mistaken by others
                                      > that he is very rude and stingy. He has a tendency of giving reply on
                                      > any matter without forethought and he wakes up at the eleventh hour and
                                      > try to rectify his utterances when it is too late.
                                      >
                                      > He has to confront his enemies at every step but he is capable of
                                      > escaping any conspiracy. He has soft corner for the down trodden people
                                      > and he devotes his time and energy for the uplift of this section of the
                                      > society. But one of the hidden factors is that initially his approach to
                                      > the down trodden will be without any selfish motive, which later on
                                      > culminates into motive of gains.
                                      >
                                      > Obstacles in the life are not a hurdle for the advancement.. He can
                                      > overtake all these hurdles with his courage and hard work. He will not
                                      > be leading a comfortable life up to the age of 32 years. Period between
                                      > 33 years and 54 years of age will be his golden period.
                                      >
                                      > One of the redeeming features of Citra born is that he gets help and
                                      > reward from unexpected quarters without putting much efforts. Age of 22,
                                      > 27, 30, 36, 39, 43 and 48 years of age will be bad in all respect.
                                      >
                                      > While on the one hand he sincerely loves his co-borns, and parents, on
                                      > the other hand he suspects the activities of the co-borns and parents.
                                      > Citra born cannot, in most of the cases enjoy the benefit, love and
                                      > affection from his father. It is also noticed that the father of the
                                      > native leads a separated life. In any case, he has a life away from his
                                      > father. One of the points noticed is that his father in spite of
                                      > separation from the native have some distinct identity of his own i.e.,
                                      > will be famous or known in a particular field. He is more attached to
                                      > his mother and enjoys benefits from the maternal side.
                                      >
                                      > Normally he cannot enjoy a happy married life. When we say a happy
                                      > married life, while the marriage will be stable the relationship between
                                      > the couples will not be cordial leading to frequent friction on small
                                      > matters. He has to shoulder lot of responsibilities and face lot of
                                      > criticisms throughout his life.
                                      >
                                      > Inflammation of kidney and bladder, brain fever, diseases connected
                                      > with worms. Abdominal tumors or appendicitis also have been noticed.
                                      >
                                      > Female
                                      >
                                      > Females born in this Nakshatra will also equally enjoy the same results
                                      > mentioned above for the male natives, except that the females are more
                                      > subjected to the hands of unlucky fate. She has a beautiful envious
                                      > body. She will be tall with equally matched fleshy body. Her eagerness
                                      > for excess of freedom and unrespectable behavior makes problems still
                                      > complicated. She is proud for no merits. Can be a sinful and lazy
                                      > female.
                                      >
                                      > She will have her education in science subjects. She may be a nurse or a
                                      > model or a film actress. If planets are not well or moderately placed,
                                      > she may be employed in agricultural field.
                                      >
                                      > Unless the horoscope of a female native is compared properly there is
                                      > likelihood of death of the partner, divorce or complete absence of
                                      > pleasure from the husband. In some cases, childlessness is also noticed.
                                      >
                                      > Now we may have look at Saturn, which is 8th and 9th lord and placed in
                                      > debilitation in the 11th house. It has spects on lagna, 5th and 8th
                                      > house. Saturn is Amatya Karaka and is in Bharni nakshatra. Ketu from 3rd
                                      > house and Jup from 5th house are aspecting Saturn. Here it is also
                                      > interesting to note apart from Saturn, Jupiter is also aspecting 9th
                                      > house and lagna from the 5th house.
                                      >
                                      > SATURN
                                      >
                                      > Debilitated Saturn in the 11th house is the only planet, which is
                                      > creating a Vipreet Rajyoga in the chart, the lord of 8th house in
                                      > 11th,which is considered a very good Rajyoga. Let us see how Saturn is
                                      > having effects on the chart in Bharani Nakshatra:-
                                      >
                                      > " Native is of medium size, with less hair, large forehead, bright
                                      > eyes,beautiful teeth. His complexion will be ruddy and fairly long neck
                                      > and face. Bharani born is not generally liked by all, in spite of the
                                      > fact that he is pure hearted and does not like to harm anybody. When he
                                      > wants to express his opinion in any matter he is just not bothered about
                                      > the sentiments of others. He will not like to get anything for himself
                                      > by buttering. Come what may, he is not ready to work against his
                                      > consciousness whether according to others, right or wrong. Due to this
                                      > attitude he has to face a lot of resistance and failures.
                                      >
                                      > He won't hesitate to spoil the relationship even with near and dear ones
                                      > on small matters. But when he is convinced of his fault, and if the
                                      > critics/ opponents come forward with folded hands, he will completely
                                      > forget their enmity and start reciprocating sincerely. Tactful behavior
                                      > is alien to him. He is far away from the state of obedience. Arrogance
                                      > quite often leads him to miseries. Subordination is equal to death for
                                      > him. When he has to bow to others, he becomes pensive.
                                      >
                                      > He will generally be having a good all-round knowledge. He has the
                                      > capacity to go deep into any matter. Even though Bharani born will shine
                                      > well in public life, he tends to face criticism and loss of wealth.He
                                      > likes to command others and will always be eager to establish supremacy.
                                      > He cannot march forward without hurdles and will have to face stiff
                                      > competition, and in the run he quite often faces failures. For others,
                                      > he may appear to be arrogant, but the truth is that he is pure hearted.
                                      > His life is full of ups and downs.
                                      >
                                      > Therefore it is advisable for such persons not involve in unnecessary
                                      > arguments or competition. He will fight for certain principles which
                                      > will ultimately lead him into trouble. . As said above that his life is
                                      > full of ups and downs, there will not be any good or bad periods for
                                      > long time. In short, ha has to always face a life of mixture of good and
                                      > bad. He is quite capable of looking after others but he needs some one
                                      > to look after him.
                                      > Ultimately his beneficiary and friends turn against him. He cannot
                                      > establish permanent relationship with anyone.After his 33 years of age
                                      > there will be a positive change in his surroundings, in his life, and in
                                      > his livelihood. He is fit for any type of work, particularly in
                                      > administrative job, business, sports, automobile or restaurants. He can
                                      > also be a good Judge.
                                      >
                                      > Generally he does not take care of his health. Main possible diseases
                                      > are dental problem, diabetes and severe body pain, affliction of brain,
                                      > high fever, apoplexy, ring worms and malaria. Normally he is a very poor
                                      > eater. He believes in the principle of 'eating to live and living to
                                      > eat'. He is afraid of water and as is the thought, he should be careful
                                      > while traveling through water, taking bath in rivers, oceans and ponds.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Dashas in his life
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > At birth MERCURY dasha was in play from birth, which finished on
                                      > 23-7-1971. Next was KETU till 2-4-1980. Dasha of VENUS was for 20 years
                                      > from 2-4-1980 upto 30-1-200, which was followed by dasha of SUN upto
                                      > 30-3-2006. The present dasha of MOON is operative since 30-3-2006; and
                                      > will end on 2-10-2016.
                                      > This Mahadasha of Moon,who is the Ghati Lagna lord (GL is considered for
                                      > Power,Rule,high responsibility) and also his Atmakaraka in the chart,
                                      > has brought his personality in the public,the country started to
                                      > recognise him in patches; and he has been able to get a large following
                                      > from Youths, with his constant sincere efforts.
                                      > Now he is running the Antardasha of Moon-Saturn from 2-7-2011 upto
                                      > 29-1-2013.
                                      > Lot of upheavel in the country and the Congress is being witnessed.
                                      > January has been the most trying period for both country and Congress.
                                      > Here the role of his Atma Karaka and the Amatya Karaka(Saturn- Ministers
                                      > or Advisers) and his Mother (Rahu) have had great churning in his mind.
                                      >
                                      > Presently he is running the Sookshma dasha of Moon-Sat-Jup-Rahu from
                                      > 18-1-2013 till 29-1-2013. The events of 19th and 20th January in his
                                      > life are epoch making. Here the role of his, lord of GL (Moon),
                                      > Bhagyesh(Saturn/Rahu), and lord of 10th house (Jup) have played their
                                      > roles very effectively and forcefully, on 19th and 20th January, when
                                      > all oher planets were also placed very well in their transits.
                                      >
                                      > As the Vice President of Congress Party , his address in the Congres
                                      > Chintan Shivir is considered as one of the best political speech, as it
                                      > was the speech of his father Rajiv Gandhi, when the circumstances and
                                      > events catapulated him to become Prime Minister of India, at one of the
                                      > most troubled period in the country, after independence.
                                      >
                                      > The present mahadasha of Moon is the 5th dasha in his life, which is
                                      > considered to be very important. The remaining antardashas in his Moon
                                      > Mahadasha are Mercury from 29-1-2013 till 1-7-21014, Ketu from 1-7-2014
                                      > till 30-1-2015, Venus from 30-1-2015 till 2-10-2016 and lastly Sun from
                                      > 2-10-2016 upto 30-3-2017 .
                                      >
                                      > After this his 6th Mahadasha of MARS will be for 07 yeras starting from
                                      > 30-3-2017 upto 20-3-2024.
                                      >
                                      > For now, present mahadasha of Moon is throwing up great challenges in
                                      > his life, politically speaking.
                                      >
                                      > Raj Bhardwaj
                                      >
                                      >
                                    • Raj
                                      Trivedi Ji, Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the
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                                        Trivedi Ji,
                                        Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.

                                        Raj Bhardwaj

                                        --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@... wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                        >
                                        > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                        >
                                        > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                        >
                                        > Hope to get an answer.
                                        >
                                        > D D Trivedi
                                        >
                                      • dushyant trivedi
                                        Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj, I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers. In my experience I have rarely come
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                                          Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,

                                          I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.

                                          In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.

                                          D D Trivedi



                                          From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                                          To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi

                                           
                                          Trivedi Ji,
                                          Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.

                                          Raj Bhardwaj

                                          --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@... wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                          >
                                          > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                          >
                                          > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                          >
                                          > Hope to get an answer.
                                          >
                                          > D D Trivedi
                                          >



                                        • Raj
                                          Dear Trivedi Ji, Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being
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                                            Dear Trivedi Ji,

                                            Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.

                                            Raj Bhardwaj

                                            --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                            >
                                            > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                            >
                                            > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                            >
                                            > D D Trivedi
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ________________________________
                                            > From: Raj
                                            > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >  
                                            > Trivedi Ji,
                                            > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                            >
                                            > Raj Bhardwaj
                                            >
                                            > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                            > >
                                            > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                            > >
                                            > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                            > >
                                            > > Hope to get an answer.
                                            > >
                                            > > D D Trivedi
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • Raj
                                            Dear All, Chart of Narendra Modi Like any politician,celebraties , Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi have also quite unconfirmed times of birth shared by given by
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                                              Dear All,

                                              Chart of Narendra Modi

                                              Like any politician,celebraties , Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi have also quite unconfirmed times of birth shared by given by different people from many sources.

                                              I have already completed my analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi. Now, I am begining with the chart of Narendra Modi. In his chart the lagna being in Libra and the Scorpio is differently given. As every astrologers goes by his own strong intution, which tends to match with the personality being  analysed,through different yardsticks used by the astrologers, hence in this  case  I am inclined to  go by Sc lagna, as it fits better for his chart. Some broad reasoning here:-

                                              1. If we consider Libra lagna there is only one planet in Trikona (Trine) in this chart  i.e. Jup in fifth house. More importantly, there ara no planets in the Kendras (quadrants),which makes the chart quite weak.

                                              2. I cannot help, but quote here the  extracts from analysis of chart in Libra lagna, by a Jyotishi from Gujrat,having his website,where it is stated that:-It was during Venus/Saturn/Rahu (Mahadasa of Venus, Antardasa of Saturn and Pratyantar dasa of Rahu) when Narendra Modi was made Chief Minister of Gujrat.  And, as it had to be – it was a very challenging task for Narendra  Modi.  The economy of Gujarat was reeling under the adverse effects of several natural calamities, including a massive earthquake in January 2001. And, the strong Jupiter in Narendra Modi horoscope helped him significantly and he decided to take the bull by its horns.  Narendra Modi horoscope is one planet phenomenon i.e. Jupiter; and more opposition and rivalry will make it more strong.  One cannot win Narendra Modi by force, or argument or by opposing him till he continues to follow the traits of Jupiter. He speaks very carefully yet dominantly, he is a strong believer in cultural ethics and he is wise enough to understand the apparently hidden intentions of his political rivals.

                                               Mahadasa of Moon, which will commence from August 2012, is however not appearing much favorable in Narendra Modi Horoscope.  Right from start of Moon Mahadasa, Narendra Modi may face health issues and severe problems in his personal life.  There may be fear of losing post and reputation; and he may not be able to manage his political affairs as done in past. The reason behind this is the influence of Mars over Moon and Jupiter. Being lord of second and seventh houses; Mars is a Maraka planet for Narendra Modi, and being in its own rashi in second house, Mars has attained significant strength.  The Mahadasa lord Moon is debilitated and united with Mars in second house; and Mars also has its fourth aspect over Jupiter.  In Navamsha Chart of Narendra Modi horoscope, Mars has become debilitated and Moon has acquired the zodiac sign of Mercury.  Therefore, the astrology readings of Moon Mahadasa are not looking promising and strong enough for Narendra Modi. He may not only loose his position; but also face helplessness to deal with his opponents, who are just waiting for the opportunity. 

                                              The Mahadasa of Moon is also looking dangerous for his personal security; and Narendra Modi is very likely to face security threats from anti-social elements.  Narendra Modi has to be very careful in this regard right from start of Moon Mahadasa from August 2012 onwards.The forthcoming Lok Sabha elections are scheduled in 2014; and during that time Antardasa of Rahu will be operational in Moon Mahadasa.  The Moon/Rahu Bhukti has seldom been favorable for personal, professional and social rise of a person.  In Narendra Modi Horoscope,  sixth placed Rahu is having its aspect over Mars + Moon union in second house.  The Mahadasa Lord Moon is under Maraka influence of strong Mars; and may not be able to deal independently during Rahu antardasa.  Therefore, the chances of Narendra Modi becoming Prime Minister of India are almost NIL.  On the contrary, Narendra Modi may be facing strong challenges, security threats and instability in his political career during Moon Mahadasa starting from August 2012, and, I would like to reiterate that Narendra Modi should be very careful and cautious during Moon Mahadasa for overall aspects of his life."

                                              I am not at all  basing my analyses of Sc lagna chart ,just because what another Jyotishi has narrated about Narendera Modi  having Libra lagna and  the onset of Moon Dasha;  It is my attempt to make  a study in contrast:-

                                               " In the Sc lagna, there are Mars and Moon in trine (Lagna),  Rahu in trine (5th), Jup in quadrant (4th),Venus and Sat also in quadrant (10th house). Thus, a total of 6 planets  are in Trikona and Kendras,which makes the chart quite powerful. Three planets i.e. Ketu, Sun and Mercury are in 11th house. The  lagna is in Jyeshtha nakahara, which throws light on his personality, and is  known very well to the general public  The Ghati Lagna is also in Sc.  His short lived married life is well known. However, Moon,Mars,Venus and Saturn grant him every plesure in the life, which will always remain a deeply kept secret in his mind/soul, due the great blessings of Jupiter in the 4th house of public.

                                              He is presently running the dasha of Moon from 22-11-2010 till 22-11-20. Now it is Rahu from 19-4-12 till 23-10-13.   Under this Saturn is running from  25-9-12 till 20-12-12 , and he has won the assemble elections of Gujrat and become the Chief Minister, once again,for third stint.

                                              The lagna is in Jyeshtha, which shows:- He has a very good physical stamina and attractive countenance. He is very clean in his mind and is very sober.  He is hot tempered and obstinate. Due to this temperament he often faces a lot of problems and forms a wall to his progress in life. He never accepts the advice given by others, whereas he acts upon his own consciousness.

                                              For the sake of principle he takes on the spot decisions on several matters without seeing the opportunity and circumstances, which ultimately leads him to a precarious state. Due to the condition of the hot temperament he will not hesitate to cause problems and troubles even to those who rendered him all possible help when required.He cannot expect any help from the relations.

                                              Outwardly, he appears to be very proud but when we go closer to him it will be evident that it is just the opposite.He must keep away all drugs and alcohol as he is prone to go out of control quickly which will spoil his hard earned reputation, put an hindrance to his profession as also in the family life.He will leave his home at a very young age and seek refuge in a distant place. He has to earn his bread strictly due to his own efforts. Because of the sincerity shown in the work field he normally comes up quickly in any position he holds. Constant change of jobs or professions are noticed.

                                              Period from 18 years of age to 26 years of age will be period of maximum troubles. During this period he will have to undergo financial problems, mental agony as also in some case mental disarrangement. Period from 27th years of age will be a beginning of progress towards stability, even though the pace will be very slow up to his 50 years of age.He is generally not liked by his near and dear ones. This is mainly due to the fact that Jyeshta born likes to keep a separate identity and existencePeriod up to 50 years of age will be full of trial and any stability in his life starts thereafter only.

                                              His lagna lord MARS is in Vishakha Nakshtra:-"His face will be round, bright and physical appearance extremely attractive. He will have full of vigor and vitality as also intelligence of the highest order. He is firm believer of God and leads a life of truthful existence. He does not believe in the orthodox principles nor the age old tradition. He is fond of adopting modern ideas.Mostly he lives away from his family. He is ready to give weight to others in excess of what is actually required depending on the weight of the persons to whom he is dealing with.Slavery is suicidal for him. While he is very much religiously active, he does not follow any superstitious religious fanaticism. He treats all religions, castes and creed as one. He is a follower of Gandhian philosophy of 'Ahimsa Paramodharma' (Religion is Non-violence) and 'Truth is God'. In certain cases such type of persons come across the thoughts of accepting  Sanyasa (saintism), at few intervals of their life. When we say sanyasa it does not mean that complete detraction from the 'Grihastashram' (duty towards the family). One can simultaneously look after the family and follow sanyasa.

                                              He is a very good orator and has the capacity to attract crowds. He will win several prizes in elocution competition. Hence he is the fittest person to be in the political circle. There is a peculiar spending tendency in him. While on the one side he is very stingy on the spending on the other side he is extratravagant,where it is not required.He is fit for doing an independent business, job involving high responsibility, banking and religious professions, mathematician or a teacher.

                                              Certain unavoidable circumstances and atmosphere may warrant his mother to be away from the native. There may be several beneficial points of his father with which he can always be proud of. Even then, not much help will be derived from his father also. In other words, we have to come to a conclusion  that the native leads more or less a life of an orphan. There may be a lot of difference of opinion between his father and him on several points where an amicable settlement on any matter may not be possible.It is due to these reasons he is right from the childhood a hardworking and self made person.

                                              Since he has inherent vigor and vitality given by the God, his health will normally be very good. However, he is prone to paralytic attack. In many cases (Mine, my paternal side,friendly circle; and some other case studies),I have observed this malady, But, in most cases it was temporary,and permanent in few cases.Mostly it happens after the age of 60 plus.

                                              I will continue with the next part!!.


                                              With my best wishes and regards.

                                              Raj Bhardwaj

                                               


                                              --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                              >
                                              > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                              >
                                              > Raj Bhardwaj
                                              >
                                              > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                              > >
                                              > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                              > >
                                              > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                              > >
                                              > > D D Trivedi
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ________________________________
                                              > > From: Raj
                                              > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                              > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >  
                                              > > Trivedi Ji,
                                              > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                              > >
                                              > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > D D Trivedi
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              >

                                            • Arun Upadhyay
                                              I am curious that most of the successful politicians of India have strong Rahu. Rahu indicates politics, but it also indicates Mlecchha influence. Probably,
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Jan 27, 2013
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                                                I am curious that most of the successful politicians of India have strong Rahu. Rahu indicates politics, but it also indicates Mlecchha influence. Probably, only the politicians with British-American backing can rule India after 'Transfer of Power" not Independence by Britain to its groups in 1947.
                                                -Arun


                                                From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                                                To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 11:15 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi

                                                 
                                                Dear All,
                                                Chart of Narendra Modi
                                                Like any politician,celebraties , Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi have also quite unconfirmed times of birth shared by given by different people from many sources.
                                                I have already completed my analysis of birth chart of Rahul Gandhi. Now, I am begining with the chart of Narendra Modi. In his chart the lagna being in Libra and the Scorpio is differently given. As every astrologers goes by his own strong intution, which tends to match with the personality being  analysed,through different yardsticks used by the astrologers, hence in this  case  I am inclined to  go by Sc lagna, as it fits better for his chart. Some broad reasoning here:-
                                                1. If we consider Libra lagna there is only one planet in Trikona (Trine) in this chart  i.e. Jup in fifth house. More importantly, there ara no planets in the Kendras (quadrants),which makes the chart quite weak.
                                                2. I cannot help, but quote here the  extracts from analysis of chart in Libra lagna, by a Jyotishi from Gujrat,having his website,where it is stated that:-It was during Venus/Saturn/Rahu (Mahadasa of Venus, Antardasa of Saturn and Pratyantar dasa of Rahu) when Narendra Modi was made Chief Minister of Gujrat.  And, as it had to be – it was a very challenging task for Narendra  Modi.  The economy of Gujarat was reeling under the adverse effects of several natural calamities, including a massive earthquake in January 2001. And, the strong Jupiter in Narendra Modi horoscope helped him significantly and he decided to take the bull by its horns.  Narendra Modi horoscope is one planet phenomenon i.e. Jupiter; and more opposition and rivalry will make it more strong.  One cannot win Narendra Modi by force, or argument or by opposing him till he continues to follow the traits of Jupiter. He speaks very carefully yet dominantly, he is a strong believer in cultural ethics and he is wise enough to understand the apparently hidden intentions of his political rivals.
                                                 Mahadasa of Moon, which will commence from August 2012, is however not appearing much favorable in Narendra Modi Horoscope.  Right from start of Moon Mahadasa, Narendra Modi may face health issues and severe problems in his personal life.  There may be fear of losing post and reputation; and he may not be able to manage his political affairs as done in past. The reason behind this is the influence of Mars over Moon and Jupiter. Being lord of second and seventh houses; Mars is a Maraka planet for Narendra Modi, and being in its own rashi in second house, Mars has attained significant strength.  The Mahadasa lord Moon is debilitated and united with Mars in second house; and Mars also has its fourth aspect over Jupiter.  In Navamsha Chart of Narendra Modi horoscope, Mars has become debilitated and Moon has acquired the zodiac sign of Mercury.  Therefore, the astrology readings of Moon Mahadasa are not looking promising and strong enough for Narendra Modi. He may not only loose his position; but also face helplessness to deal with his opponents, who are just waiting for the opportunity. 
                                                The Mahadasa of Moon is also looking dangerous for his personal security; and Narendra Modi is very likely to face security threats from anti-social elements.  Narendra Modi has to be very careful in this regard right from start of Moon Mahadasa from August 2012 onwards.The forthcoming Lok Sabha elections are scheduled in 2014; and during that time Antardasa of Rahu will be operational in Moon Mahadasa.  The Moon/Rahu Bhukti has seldom been favorable for personal, professional and social rise of a person.  In Narendra Modi Horoscope,  sixth placed Rahu is having its aspect over Mars + Moon union in second house.  The Mahadasa Lord Moon is under Maraka influence of strong Mars; and may not be able to deal independently during Rahu antardasa.  Therefore, the chances of Narendra Modi becoming Prime Minister of India are almost NIL.  On the contrary, Narendra Modi may be facing strong challenges, security threats and instability in his political career during Moon Mahadasa starting from August 2012, and, I would like to reiterate that Narendra Modi should be very careful and cautious during Moon Mahadasa for overall aspects of his life."
                                                I am not at all  basing my analyses of Sc lagna chart ,just because what another Jyotishi has narrated about Narendera Modi  having Libra lagna and  the onset of Moon Dasha;  It is my attempt to make  a study in contrast:-
                                                 " In the Sc lagna, there are Mars and Moon in trine (Lagna),  Rahu in trine (5th), Jup in quadrant (4th),Venus and Sat also in quadrant (10th house). Thus, a total of 6 planets  are in Trikona and Kendras,which makes the chart quite powerful. Three planets i.e. Ketu, Sun and Mercury are in 11th house. The  lagna is in Jyeshtha nakahara, which throws light on his personality, and is  known very well to the general public  The Ghati Lagna is also in Sc.  His short lived married life is well known. However, Moon,Mars,Venus and Saturn grant him every plesure in the life, which will always remain a deeply kept secret in his mind/soul, due the great blessings of Jupiter in the 4th house of public.
                                                He is presently running the dasha of Moon from 22-11-2010 till 22-11-20. Now it is Rahu from 19-4-12 till 23-10-13.   Under this Saturn is running from  25-9-12 till 20-12-12 , and he has won the assemble elections of Gujrat and become the Chief Minister, once again,for third stint.
                                                The lagna is in Jyeshtha, which shows:- He has a very good physical stamina and attractive countenance. He is very clean in his mind and is very sober.  He is hot tempered and obstinate. Due to this temperament he often faces a lot of problems and forms a wall to his progress in life. He never accepts the advice given by others, whereas he acts upon his own consciousness.
                                                For the sake of principle he takes on the spot decisions on several matters without seeing the opportunity and circumstances, which ultimately leads him to a precarious state. Due to the condition of the hot temperament he will not hesitate to cause problems and troubles even to those who rendered him all possible help when required.He cannot expect any help from the relations.
                                                Outwardly, he appears to be very proud but when we go closer to him it will be evident that it is just the opposite.He must keep away all drugs and alcohol as he is prone to go out of control quickly which will spoil his hard earned reputation, put an hindrance to his profession as also in the family life.He will leave his home at a very young age and seek refuge in a distant place. He has to earn his bread strictly due to his own efforts. Because of the sincerity shown in the work field he normally comes up quickly in any position he holds. Constant change of jobs or professions are noticed.
                                                Period from 18 years of age to 26 years of age will be period of maximum troubles. During this period he will have to undergo financial problems, mental agony as also in some case mental disarrangement. Period from 27th years of age will be a beginning of progress towards stability, even though the pace will be very slow up to his 50 years of age.He is generally not liked by his near and dear ones. This is mainly due to the fact that Jyeshta born likes to keep a separate identity and existencePeriod up to 50 years of age will be full of trial and any stability in his life starts thereafter only.
                                                His lagna lord MARS is in Vishakha Nakshtra:-"His face will be round, bright and physical appearance extremely attractive. He will have full of vigor and vitality as also intelligence of the highest order. He is firm believer of God and leads a life of truthful existence. He does not believe in the orthodox principles nor the age old tradition. He is fond of adopting modern ideas.Mostly he lives away from his family. He is ready to give weight to others in excess of what is actually required depending on the weight of the persons to whom he is dealing with.Slavery is suicidal for him. While he is very much religiously active, he does not follow any superstitious religious fanaticism. He treats all religions, castes and creed as one. He is a follower of Gandhian philosophy of 'Ahimsa Paramodharma' (Religion is Non-violence) and 'Truth is God'. In certain cases such type of persons come across the thoughts of accepting  Sanyasa (saintism), at few intervals of their life. When we say sanyasa it does not mean that complete detraction from the 'Grihastashram' (duty towards the family). One can simultaneously look after the family and follow sanyasa.
                                                He is a very good orator and has the capacity to attract crowds. He will win several prizes in elocution competition. Hence he is the fittest person to be in the political circle. There is a peculiar spending tendency in him. While on the one side he is very stingy on the spending on the other side he is extratravagant,where it is not required.He is fit for doing an independent business, job involving high responsibility, banking and religious professions, mathematician or a teacher.
                                                Certain unavoidable circumstances and atmosphere may warrant his mother to be away from the native. There may be several beneficial points of his father with which he can always be proud of. Even then, not much help will be derived from his father also. In other words, we have to come to a conclusion  that the native leads more or less a life of an orphan. There may be a lot of difference of opinion between his father and him on several points where an amicable settlement on any matter may not be possible.It is due to these reasons he is right from the childhood a hardworking and self made person.
                                                Since he has inherent vigor and vitality given by the God, his health will normally be very good. However, he is prone to paralytic attack. In many cases (Mine, my paternal side,friendly circle; and some other case studies),I have observed this malady, But, in most cases it was temporary,and permanent in few cases.Mostly it happens after the age of 60 plus.
                                                I will continue with the next part!!.

                                                With my best wishes and regards.
                                                Raj Bhardwaj
                                                 

                                                --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                >
                                                > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                >
                                                > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                >
                                                > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                > >
                                                > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                > >
                                                > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                > >
                                                > > D D Trivedi
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > ________________________________
                                                > > From: Raj
                                                > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >  
                                                > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                > >
                                                > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > D D Trivedi
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                >


                                              • dushyant trivedi
                                                Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji, I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India s Future.
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Jan 27, 2013
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                                                  Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,

                                                  I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period between 2015 to 2025.

                                                  Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India no. 3.

                                                  This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader whoever he is.

                                                  Hoping for the best.

                                                  I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.

                                                  D. D. Trivedi



                                                  From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                                                  To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi

                                                   
                                                  Dear Trivedi Ji,

                                                  Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.

                                                  Raj Bhardwaj

                                                  --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                  >
                                                  > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                  >
                                                  > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                  >
                                                  > D D Trivedi
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ________________________________
                                                  > From: Raj
                                                  > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                  > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >  
                                                  > Trivedi Ji,
                                                  > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                  >
                                                  > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > D D Trivedi
                                                  > >
                                                  >



                                                • chiranjiv mehta
                                                  Dear Members, Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs united
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Jan 27, 2013
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                                                    Dear Members,
                                                    Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                    The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                    From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules India.
                                                    That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some unproven politician.
                                                     
                                                    About the Golden period, from where I stand the present sight is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call it golden, or burning bright ??? 
                                                    the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will it finance the same ?
                                                    That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                    Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency.   
                                                    For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.

                                                    Chiranjiv Mehta


                                                    --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@...> wrote:

                                                    From: dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@...>
                                                    Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                    To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM

                                                     
                                                    Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,

                                                    I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period between 2015 to 2025.

                                                    Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India no. 3.

                                                    This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader whoever he is.

                                                    Hoping for the best.

                                                    I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.

                                                    D. D. Trivedi



                                                    From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                                                    To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                    Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi

                                                     
                                                    Dear Trivedi Ji,

                                                    Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.

                                                    Raj Bhardwaj

                                                    --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                    >
                                                    > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                    >
                                                    > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                    >
                                                    > D D Trivedi
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > ________________________________
                                                    > From: Raj
                                                    > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                    > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >  
                                                    > Trivedi Ji,
                                                    > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                    >
                                                    > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > D D Trivedi
                                                    > >
                                                    >



                                                  • Raj
                                                    Dear Chiranjiv Ji, A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we all have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Jan 28, 2013
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                                                      Dear Chiranjiv Ji,
                                                      A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we all have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the States),always take themselves as First amongst the most privilaged of  all; and the Country always stands Last !

                                                      Can the Golden period in a nation become a reality with such mindset. We as Astrologers can only attempt the birth chart analysis of any and all the politicians ,and their Parties, who nominate their choice to lead the country. People of our country cannot nominate themselves any candidate, but simply have to vote for the parties.

                                                      Do we see any really capable and proven personality, who can take us  to the garden path of the Golden Period. Can the voters be chosers, really , in the prevalent electoral systems ??

                                                      Raj Bhardwaj

                                                       

                                                      --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Dear Members,
                                                      >
                                                      > Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                      > The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                      > From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules India.
                                                      > That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some unproven politician.
                                                      >  
                                                      > About the Golden period, from where I stand the present sight is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call it golden, or burning bright ??? 
                                                      > the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will it finance the same ?
                                                      > That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                      > Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency.   
                                                      > For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.
                                                      >
                                                      > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > From: dushyant trivedi
                                                      > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                      > To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com"
                                                      > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >  
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
                                                      >
                                                      > I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period between 2015 to 2025.
                                                      >
                                                      > Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India no. 3.
                                                      >
                                                      > This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader whoever he is.
                                                      >
                                                      > Hoping for the best.
                                                      >
                                                      > I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.
                                                      >
                                                      > D. D. Trivedi
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > From: Raj
                                                      > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                      > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >  
                                                      >
                                                      > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                      >
                                                      > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                      >
                                                      > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > D D Trivedi
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > ________________________________
                                                      > > From: Raj
                                                      > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                      > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >  
                                                      > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                      > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > D D Trivedi
                                                      > > >
                                                      > >
                                                      >

                                                    • Raj
                                                      Dear All, I am giving below the final part of Narendra Modi s birth chart analysis:- In this chart Ghati Lagna is in the 1st house(Sc),where 1st and 9th lord
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Jan 28, 2013
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                                                        Dear All,

                                                        I am giving below the final part of Narendra Modi's birth chart analysis:-

                                                        In this chart Ghati Lagna is in the 1st house(Sc),where 1st and 9th lord Mars and Moon are posited together. The 2nd and 5th lord Jup is placed in 4th house. The 3rd and 4th house lord Sat is placed in 10th, alongwith 7th and 11th lord Venus. Rahu  is placed in 5th, aspected by Sun , Mer(R) and Ketu  from the 11th house.

                                                        Saturn is combust , further in the planatery war Mercury(R)  is winner and Saturn is loser. Further, Sun is both the loser and winner. The degrees of these planets are  very close to each other,Sun is at   0Vi 38'45.30", Mercury is at 0 Vi 43'44.06" and the Saturn is at 29 Le 39' 54.59".

                                                        AGE :- Sun is Mrita, Moon is Vridha, Mars is Mrita, Mercury is Mrita, Jup is Kumara,Venus is Yuva, Saturn , Rahu and Ketu are also is Mrita Awastha.

                                                        ALERTNESS:- Sun ,Moon,Jupiter and Ketu are Dreaming, Mars, Mercury are awake, Venus ,Saturn and Rahu are Asleep.

                                                        MOOD:- Sun,Moon and Jupiter are Dukhit (Distressed),Mars is Swastha(Comfortable),Mercury is Deepta(glowing), Venus ,Saturn,Rahu and Ketu are Deen(Sad). The further classification of Mood of these planets are:-

                                                        Moon ,Mars,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn are all Khala (Mischievous ).Mercury, Saturn and Ketu are also in Kopit (Angry) state of mood.

                                                        ACTIVITY:- Sun , Mars, Mercury,Saturn and Ketu are Prakashan (Glowing), Moon and Venus are in Nrityalipsa (Desirous of dancing) Rahu is in Sleep.and lastly Jupiter is in Agamana (Coming).

                                                        Vaiseshikansha Bala: In the 16 Div Charts :- Sun is 0, Moon is 2, Mars is 6, Mercury 04, Jup is 04,Venus , Saturn and Rahu are 02, Ketu is 04.

                                                        ( The above  planatery wins, losses in war, moods,a ge, alertness ,activity are really very difficult to fathom out their effects in the chart accurately and correctly; and this is a very  important factor in any individual's chart, thus will really need a very deep and thorough study, to understand overall benefic or melefic effects in the birth chart so far in his life , as also during his future periods. This  can be and will be a very long and detailed analysis to understand the overall effects. Ony a Guru in the field will be able to do justice. Thus I am leaving it here. 

                                                        In the D-9 chart, the position of the planets is not that strong. Saturn is in lagna(Sg). Sun and Mer are in 2nd (Cap), Ketu in 3rd (Aq),Deb.Mars in 8th (Can),Venus and Rahu in 9th(Le),Moon in 10th (Vir) and Jup in 12th(Sc).

                                                        In the lagna chart the 1st house is  in Jyeshtha. It's effects ,in short can be summarised as below:-

                                                        General Characteristics: Mental brilliance and analytical ability, few friends, cheerful and virtuous.

                                                        Translation: Elder sister, the middle finger or the holy river Ganges, The Eldest (last of the best).

                                                        Symbol: earring or circular protective talisman that may represent Vishnu's disc. Animal Symbol: Male Deer or Hare,

                                                        Ruling Planet: Mercury
                                                        Nature: Rakshasa (demon)
                                                        Presiding deity: Indra - King of the Gods.

                                                        Favorable: Most successful of their family; keeps friends and builds a good support network; generous; self-reliant; eventually wealthy; takes charge of the family; passionate response to love; reputable; receives fame and honors; takes control; gets things done when they want to; virtuous; satisfied; talented at music; capacity for inventive design; creative genius; interested in the occult; can accomplish anything they set their minds to; want to make a difference.

                                                        Unfavorable: Angry; has family problems; too intense for others; self-important; egotism; hides their feelings and intentions; peaceful demeanor covers impatience and immorality; conniving; control freak; makes other dependent on them to gain control; possessive; dramatizes illness and troubles to gain sympathy; has many illnesses; many job changes; early troubles in life; tormented; hypocritical and secretive behavior.


                                                        The 1st house and Ghati Lagna lord Mar (also the PK) is in Vishakha, and it reflects, in brief:-

                                                        General Characteristics: Energy strength and potential power, bright in appearance, distinct in speaking, skilled at making money.

                                                        Symbol: A large tree with spreading branches giving protection to others, potters wheel, a decorated gateway used for marriage ceremonies.

                                                        Translation: Enter the heavens

                                                        Animal Symbol: Male Tiger
                                                        Ruling Planet: Jupiter
                                                        Nature: Rakshasa (demon)
                                                        Presiding deity: Indra - the god of transformation and Agni the god of fire.

                                                        Favorable: Intelligence of the highest order; bright appearance; attracts others; clever; has respect for intelligent and spiritual people; enterprising; self-satisfied; determined; gets things done; humanitarian; politically inclined; can appear soft but is very powerful underneath; excellent communicator; persuasive speech; leadership qualities; truthful; sexually alluring; a good mate in marriage; benefits through marriage; traveling and through change; mathematical talent; courageous; powerful achiever.

                                                        Unfavorable: Overly talkative; negative; militant; creates quarrels between people; restless; covetous of other's success; feels isolated; critical of others; fault finding; infidelity; too much ambition - spread too thin; manipulate others to meet their own needs; socially isolated; not open to advice; offensive; stingy; not easy to like; greedy; deceitful; aggressive; domineering; quick to take offense; argumentative; jealous; frustration and anger when goals impeded; suspicious; possessive; envious; feels suppressed and taken advantage of by others; too many interests; not satisfied by accomplishments; restlessness - changes partners

                                                        Moon (MK), 9th lord is with Mars in lagna-Anuradha

                                                        General Characteristics: Rich, live in foreign countries, unable to bear hunger, move from place to place.Translation: A small flash of lightening, a tiny spark, successSymbol: Lotus flower - ability and perseverance to blossom in the midst of life's trials and tribulations, a row or furrow.
                                                        Animal Symbol: Female Deer or Hare
                                                        Ruling Planet: Saturn
                                                        Nature: Deva (god-like)
                                                        Presiding deity: Mitra - the God of friendship and partnership who promotes
                                                        cooperation among humanity.

                                                        Favorable: Wise; spirited; fun-loving; attractive; vigorous; well-liked; spiritual seeker; interested in ancient knowledge; hard working; capacity for astrology; devoted; brave; enjoys travel; healthy; accommodates many people; enjoys social life and organizations; benefits more if they live away from their place of birth; ability to attract and maintain friendships; cooperates with others; ability to lead and form alliances.Unfavorable: Has remorse; guarded; cut off; deceitful; held back by others; can not cope with hunger or thirst; emotionally needy; rebellious; adheres to bad advice and suffers consequences; jealous and controlling of others; unaware of their effect on others which results in problems; may be melancholic due to a lack of maternal nurturing; anger issues; moves frequently due to dissatisfaction; tries too hard in terms of spiritual progress.

                                                        Yogakaraka Jupiter (PiK) is in 4th house-Dhanishtha:-

                                                        General Characteristics: A liberal, rich person, brave and fond of music.
                                                        Translation: Complete wealth.
                                                        Symbol: Musical drum.
                                                        Animal Symbol: Female lion
                                                        Ruling Planet: Mars
                                                        Nature: Rakshasic (demonic)
                                                        Presiding deity: The eight Vasus - the solar gods of energy and light.

                                                        Favorable: Insightful; perceptive; earns a good living; charitable giving; brave; does well in foreign countries; lives on both spiritual and material levels; liberal; compassionate; bold; good conversationalist; enjoys music and dance; good organizational abilities; ambitious; concerned with accomplishments and developing their careers; likes old and mystifying things; skilled in astrology.

                                                        Unfavorable: Aggressive; ruthless; inconsiderate; worried; can hurt others; makes up stories; lies; withholds information; don't like to be told what to do; argumentative; too talkative; select incompatible companions; lusts after material; careless; sexual difficulties; delayed/denied marriage; wants everything for themselves; covetous of other's success; self absorbed; narcissistic.

                                                        Rahu (AmK)is in 5th house-U.Bhadra

                                                        General Characteristics: Happy people able speakers, children, grandchildren, conquer enemies, virtuous.
                                                        Translation: The beautiful left foot or Ray of Light
                                                        Symbol: Two back legs of a bed.
                                                        Animal Symbol: Female cow
                                                        Ruling Planet: Saturn
                                                        Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                        Presiding deity: Ahirbudhnya - the serpent of the deep sea - fertility, kundalini
                                                        and need for seclusion.

                                                        Favorable: Attractive; good problem-solving ability; inspiring speaker; disciplined; kind; compassionate; has principles; contented; generous; submissive yet financially successful; tends to make money on their own; economical; charitable; humanitarian; merciful; smart; benefits from children or beginners; drawn to the unknown; virtuous; happy; wise; loves family; self sacrificing benefits from gifts and inheritance; overcomes enemies; satisfied; service oriented; controls anger; marital happiness; balanced; nourishes others; good advisor.

                                                        Unfavorable: withdrawn; unenthusiastic; develops a set of long-term enemies or gets into disputes that take a long time to resolve; thinks too much about their own outcomes; self-centered financial focus; gossip; lazy; addict; irresponsible; highly emotional.

                                                        Saturn(AK) in 10th house /Sun(DK) ,Mercury (GK) and Ketu in 11th house- All are in U.Phalguni

                                                        General Characteristics: Emphasis on healing others. Earn money by their learning, liked by all, live a life in comfort and luxury.
                                                        Translation: The latter red one or a fig tree
                                                        Symbol: A bed or 2 rear legs of a cot.
                                                        Animal Symbol: Male Cow (bull)
                                                        Ruling Planet: Sun
                                                        Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                        Presiding deity: Aryaman rules leadership, honor, nobility and rules society.

                                                        Favorable: Popular; hard worker; ambitious; benefits from those in power; good communicator; successful; friendly; reliable; focused; happy nature; loves luxury and comfort; material desires are fulfilled; capacity for enjoying life; liberal yet has fixed principles; balanced leader; happy; socially adept; generally fortunate; generous; kind; compassionate; courage; endurance; spiritual and mental advancements.

                                                        Unfavorable: Prmiscuous; over-giving; egotistical; restless; inconsiderate of others feelings; obstinate; disdainful; bossy; vain; arrogant; takes too much for themselves; stubborn; critical; resentful; a social climber; may be sad or angry under a happy smile; lack belief in their own power.

                                                        Venus (BK) in 10th house - P.Phalguni

                                                        General Characteristics: sweet speech, generosity, a habit of wandering, government service.
                                                        Translation: The Former Red One or A Fig Tree
                                                        Symbol: Swinging hammock - rest and restoration, front legs of a bed, or a
                                                        post.
                                                        Animal Symbol: Female Rat
                                                        Ruling Planet: Venus
                                                        Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                        Presiding deity: Bhaga - the god of good fortune and prosperity.

                                                        Favorable: Creative; intelligent, active; charming; sincere; leadership skills; carefree; focus is on the body; physical approaches to healing; open minded; sweet speech; generous; wants fame and attention; faithful to issues and those they believe in; mystical nature; spokesperson; aristocratic; cultured; refined; gifted in the fine arts; youthful; exuberant; loving; good relationships.

                                                        Unfavorable: Vanity; indulgent; impulsive mind; severe; promiscuous nature; narcissism; reckless; focused on getting what they want; spends carelessly - creates debt; addictive personality; hates being uncomfortable; needs stimulation; becomes depressed if do not get what they want; vindictive; lack of planning; unmotivated.

                                                        Presently he is running the 6th dasha in the life i.e Moon from 22-11-2010. Under this the antar is of  Rahu from 19-4-2012 to 23-1-2013. He has won the 3rd term as CM of Gujrat. Jupiter antar is in force from 23-01-2013 till 19-2-2015. General elections can be held anytime in 2013 or as schedule in April May,2014 .

                                                        We do not know whether he will be really projected as prospective candidate by the BJP. In case he is projected, what I can say at this time is that he will be able to win as an MP for the next Lok Sabha, but how future developments will take place in the political arena, will only give us answers, if he would be   actually projected as PM.

                                                        There are a lots of misses between an MP and the ultimately He/She becoming The PM !

                                                        With best wishes and regards.

                                                        Raj Bhardwaj
                                                        vedicjyotishspeak@yahoogroups

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,
                                                        > A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we all
                                                        > have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the
                                                        > States),always take themselves as First amongst the most privilaged of
                                                        > all; and the Country always stands Last !
                                                        >
                                                        > Can the Golden period in a nation become a reality with such mindset. We
                                                        > as Astrologers can only attempt the birth chart analysis of any and all
                                                        > the politicians ,and their Parties, who nominate their choice to lead
                                                        > the country. People of our country cannot nominate themselves any
                                                        > candidate, but simply have to vote for the parties.
                                                        >
                                                        > Do we see any really capable and proven personality, who can take us to
                                                        > the garden path of the Golden Period. Can the voters be chosers, really
                                                        > , in the prevalent electoral systems ??
                                                        >
                                                        > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Dear Members,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their
                                                        > respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs
                                                        > united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                        > > The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when
                                                        > Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                        > > From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules
                                                        > India.
                                                        > > That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some unproven
                                                        > politician.
                                                        > > Â
                                                        > > About the Golden period, from where I stand the present sight
                                                        > is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call it
                                                        > golden, or burning bright ???Â
                                                        > > the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will it
                                                        > finance the same ?
                                                        > > That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                        > > Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into
                                                        > cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency. Â Â
                                                        > > For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing
                                                        > in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > From: dushyant trivedi
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                        > > To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com"
                                                        > > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Â
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store.
                                                        > Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many
                                                        > in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period
                                                        > between 2015 to 2025.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good
                                                        > at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India
                                                        > no. 3.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader
                                                        > whoever he is.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Hoping for the best.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > D. D. Trivedi
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > From: Raj
                                                        > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > > Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                        > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Â
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments
                                                        > unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are
                                                        > being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik
                                                        > lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other
                                                        > than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It
                                                        > would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi
                                                        > wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become
                                                        > excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who
                                                        > have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna
                                                        > but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > D D Trivedi
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > ________________________________
                                                        > > > From: Raj
                                                        > > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                        > > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > ÂÂ
                                                        > > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                        > > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very
                                                        > difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data
                                                        > in the internet.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are
                                                        > there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like
                                                        > say PM?
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna
                                                        > but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > D D Trivedi
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > >
                                                        >

                                                      • Sunil
                                                        Dear Raj bhardwaj Ji Thanks for ur write up Actually our problem in celebrity astrology is lack of authetic data and hence we cannot confirm it and predict
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                                                          Dear Raj bhardwaj Ji

                                                           

                                                          Thanks for ur write up

                                                           

                                                          Actually our problem in celebrity astrology is lack of authetic data and hence we cannot confirm it and predict with confidence only based on all this and we need to use other tools too 

                                                           

                                                          We Know Vajpai Ji has 3 birtht times and some has 2 yrs diffrnce even

                                                          Astrologers were using it and some has predicted also correctly

                                                           

                                                          Any way we will discuss more abt all this later

                                                           

                                                          I expect others to discuss actively

                                                           

                                                          Rgrds sunilnair  

                                                          --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Dear All,
                                                          >
                                                          > I am giving below the final part of Narendra Modi's birth chart
                                                          > analysis:-
                                                          >
                                                          > In this chart Ghati Lagna is in the 1st house(Sc),where 1st and 9th lord
                                                          > Mars and Moon are posited together. The 2nd and 5th lord Jup is placed
                                                          > in 4th house. The 3rd and 4th house lord Sat is placed in 10th,
                                                          > alongwith 7th and 11th lord Venus. Rahu is placed in 5th, aspected by
                                                          > Sun , Mer(R) and Ketu from the 11th house.
                                                          >
                                                          > Saturn is combust , further in the planatery war Mercury(R) is winner
                                                          > and Saturn is loser. Further, Sun is both the loser and winner. The
                                                          > degrees of these planets are very close to each other,Sun is at 0Vi
                                                          > 38'45.30", Mercury is at 0 Vi 43'44.06" and the Saturn is at 29 Le 39'
                                                          > 54.59".
                                                          >
                                                          > AGE :- Sun is Mrita, Moon is Vridha, Mars is Mrita, Mercury is Mrita,
                                                          > Jup is Kumara,Venus is Yuva, Saturn , Rahu and Ketu are also is Mrita
                                                          > Awastha.
                                                          >
                                                          > ALERTNESS:- Sun ,Moon,Jupiter and Ketu are Dreaming, Mars, Mercury are
                                                          > awake, Venus ,Saturn and Rahu are Asleep.
                                                          >
                                                          > MOOD:- Sun,Moon and Jupiter are Dukhit (Distressed),Mars is
                                                          > Swastha(Comfortable),Mercury is Deepta(glowing), Venus ,Saturn,Rahu and
                                                          > Ketu are Deen(Sad). The further classification of Mood of these planets
                                                          > are:-
                                                          >
                                                          > Moon ,Mars,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn are all Khala (Mischievous
                                                          > ).Mercury, Saturn and Ketu are also in Kopit (Angry) state of mood.
                                                          >
                                                          > ACTIVITY:- Sun , Mars, Mercury,Saturn and Ketu are Prakashan (Glowing),
                                                          > Moon and Venus are in Nrityalipsa (Desirous of dancing) Rahu is in
                                                          > Sleep.and lastly Jupiter is in Agamana (Coming).
                                                          >
                                                          > Vaiseshikansha Bala: In the 16 Div Charts :- Sun is 0, Moon is 2, Mars
                                                          > is 6, Mercury 04, Jup is 04,Venus , Saturn and Rahu are 02, Ketu is 04.
                                                          >
                                                          > ( The above planatery wins, losses in war, moods,a ge, alertness
                                                          > ,activity are really very difficult to fathom out their effects in the
                                                          > chart accurately and correctly; and this is a very important factor in
                                                          > any individual's chart, thus will really need a very deep and thorough
                                                          > study, to understand overall benefic or melefic effects in the birth
                                                          > chart so far in his life , as also during his future periods. This can
                                                          > be and will be a very long and detailed analysis to understand the
                                                          > overall effects. Ony a Guru in the field will be able to do justice.
                                                          > Thus I am leaving it here.
                                                          >
                                                          > In the D-9 chart, the position of the planets is not that strong. Saturn
                                                          > is in lagna(Sg). Sun and Mer are in 2nd (Cap), Ketu in 3rd (Aq),Deb.Mars
                                                          > in 8th (Can),Venus and Rahu in 9th(Le),Moon in 10th (Vir) and Jup in
                                                          > 12th(Sc).
                                                          >
                                                          > In the lagna chart the 1st house is in Jyeshtha. It's effects ,in short
                                                          > can be summarised as below:-
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: Mental brilliance and analytical ability, few
                                                          > friends, cheerful and virtuous.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Translation: Elder sister, the middle finger or the holy river Ganges,
                                                          > The Eldest (last of the best).
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Symbol: earring or circular protective talisman that may represent
                                                          > Vishnu's disc. Animal Symbol: Male Deer or Hare,
                                                          >
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Mercury
                                                          > Nature: Rakshasa (demon)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Indra - King of the Gods.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Most successful of their family; keeps friends and builds a
                                                          > good support network; generous; self-reliant; eventually wealthy; takes
                                                          > charge of the family; passionate response to love; reputable; receives
                                                          > fame and honors; takes control; gets things done when they want to;
                                                          > virtuous; satisfied; talented at music; capacity for inventive design;
                                                          > creative genius; interested in the occult; can accomplish anything they
                                                          > set their minds to; want to make a difference.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: Angry; has family problems; too intense for others;
                                                          > self-important; egotism; hides their feelings and intentions; peaceful
                                                          > demeanor covers impatience and immorality; conniving; control freak;
                                                          > makes other dependent on them to gain control; possessive; dramatizes
                                                          > illness and troubles to gain sympathy; has many illnesses; many job
                                                          > changes; early troubles in life; tormented; hypocritical and secretive
                                                          > behavior.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > The 1st house and Ghati Lagna lord Mar (also the PK) is in Vishakha, and
                                                          > it reflects, in brief:-
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: Energy strength and potential power, bright in
                                                          > appearance, distinct in speaking, skilled at making money.
                                                          >
                                                          > Symbol: A large tree with spreading branches giving protection to
                                                          > others, potters wheel, a decorated gateway used for marriage ceremonies.
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > Translation: Enter the heavens
                                                          >
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Male Tiger
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Jupiter
                                                          > Nature: Rakshasa (demon)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Indra - the god of transformation and Agni the god of
                                                          > fire.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Intelligence of the highest order; bright appearance;
                                                          > attracts others; clever; has respect for intelligent and spiritual
                                                          > people; enterprising; self-satisfied; determined; gets things done;
                                                          > humanitarian; politically inclined; can appear soft but is very powerful
                                                          > underneath; excellent communicator; persuasive speech; leadership
                                                          > qualities; truthful; sexually alluring; a good mate in marriage;
                                                          > benefits through marriage; traveling and through change; mathematical
                                                          > talent; courageous; powerful achiever.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: Overly talkative; negative; militant; creates quarrels
                                                          > between people; restless; covetous of other's success; feels isolated;
                                                          > critical of others; fault finding; infidelity; too much ambition -
                                                          > spread too thin; manipulate others to meet their own needs; socially
                                                          > isolated; not open to advice; offensive; stingy; not easy to like;
                                                          > greedy; deceitful; aggressive; domineering; quick to take offense;
                                                          > argumentative; jealous; frustration and anger when goals impeded;
                                                          > suspicious; possessive; envious; feels suppressed and taken advantage of
                                                          > by others; too many interests; not satisfied by accomplishments;
                                                          > restlessness - changes partners
                                                          >
                                                          > Moon (MK), 9th lord is with Mars in lagna-Anuradha
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: Rich, live in foreign countries, unable to bear
                                                          > hunger, move from place to place.Translation: A small flash of
                                                          > lightening, a tiny spark, successSymbol: Lotus flower - ability and
                                                          > perseverance to blossom in the midst of life's trials and tribulations,
                                                          > a row or furrow.
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Female Deer or Hare
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Saturn
                                                          > Nature: Deva (god-like)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Mitra - the God of friendship and partnership who
                                                          > promotes cooperation among humanity.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Wise; spirited; fun-loving; attractive; vigorous; well-liked;
                                                          > spiritual seeker; interested in ancient knowledge; hard working;
                                                          > capacity for astrology; devoted; brave; enjoys travel; healthy;
                                                          > accommodates many people; enjoys social life and organizations; benefits
                                                          > more if they live away from their place of birth; ability to attract and
                                                          > maintain friendships; cooperates with others; ability to lead and form
                                                          > alliances.Unfavorable: Has remorse; guarded; cut off; deceitful; held
                                                          > back by others; can not cope with hunger or thirst; emotionally needy;
                                                          > rebellious; adheres to bad advice and suffers consequences; jealous and
                                                          > controlling of others; unaware of their effect on others which results
                                                          > in problems; may be melancholic due to a lack of maternal nurturing;
                                                          > anger issues; moves frequently due to dissatisfaction; tries too hard in
                                                          > terms of spiritual progress.
                                                          >
                                                          > Yogakaraka Jupiter (PiK) is in 4th house-Dhanishtha:-
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: A liberal, rich person, brave and fond of
                                                          > music.
                                                          > Translation: Complete wealth.
                                                          > Symbol: Musical drum.
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Female lion
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Mars
                                                          > Nature: Rakshasic (demonic)
                                                          > Presiding deity: The eight Vasus - the solar gods of energy and light.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Insightful; perceptive; earns a good living; charitable
                                                          > giving; brave; does well in foreign countries; lives on both spiritual
                                                          > and material levels; liberal; compassionate; bold; good
                                                          > conversationalist; enjoys music and dance; good organizational
                                                          > abilities; ambitious; concerned with accomplishments and developing
                                                          > their careers; likes old and mystifying things; skilled in astrology.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: Aggressive; ruthless; inconsiderate; worried; can hurt
                                                          > others; makes up stories; lies; withholds information; don't like to be
                                                          > told what to do; argumentative; too talkative; select incompatible
                                                          > companions; lusts after material; careless; sexual difficulties;
                                                          > delayed/denied marriage; wants everything for themselves; covetous of
                                                          > other's success; self absorbed; narcissistic.
                                                          >
                                                          > Rahu (AmK)is in 5th house-U.Bhadra
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: Happy people able speakers, children,
                                                          > grandchildren, conquer enemies, virtuous.
                                                          > Translation: The beautiful left foot or Ray of Light
                                                          > Symbol: Two back legs of a bed.
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Female cow
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Saturn
                                                          > Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Ahirbudhnya - the serpent of the deep sea - fertility,
                                                          > kundalini and need for seclusion.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Attractive; good problem-solving ability; inspiring speaker;
                                                          > disciplined; kind; compassionate; has principles; contented; generous;
                                                          > submissive yet financially successful; tends to make money on their own;
                                                          > economical; charitable; humanitarian; merciful; smart; benefits from
                                                          > children or beginners; drawn to the unknown; virtuous; happy; wise;
                                                          > loves family; self sacrificing benefits from gifts and inheritance;
                                                          > overcomes enemies; satisfied; service oriented; controls anger; marital
                                                          > happiness; balanced; nourishes others; good advisor.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: withdrawn; unenthusiastic; develops a set of long-term
                                                          > enemies or gets into disputes that take a long time to resolve; thinks
                                                          > too much about their own outcomes; self-centered financial focus;
                                                          > gossip; lazy; addict; irresponsible; highly emotional.
                                                          >
                                                          > Saturn(AK) in 10th house /Sun(DK) ,Mercury (GK) and Ketu in 11th house-
                                                          > All are in U.Phalguni
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: Emphasis on healing others. Earn money by their
                                                          > learning, liked by all, live a life in comfort and luxury.
                                                          > Translation: The latter red one or a fig tree
                                                          > Symbol: A bed or 2 rear legs of a cot.
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Male Cow (bull)
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Sun
                                                          > Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Aryaman rules leadership, honor, nobility and rules
                                                          > society.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Popular; hard worker; ambitious; benefits from those in
                                                          > power; good communicator; successful; friendly; reliable; focused; happy
                                                          > nature; loves luxury and comfort; material desires are fulfilled;
                                                          > capacity for enjoying life; liberal yet has fixed principles; balanced
                                                          > leader; happy; socially adept; generally fortunate; generous; kind;
                                                          > compassionate; courage; endurance; spiritual and mental advancements.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: Prmiscuous; over-giving; egotistical; restless;
                                                          > inconsiderate of others feelings; obstinate; disdainful; bossy; vain;
                                                          > arrogant; takes too much for themselves; stubborn; critical; resentful;
                                                          > a social climber; may be sad or angry under a happy smile; lack belief
                                                          > in their own power.
                                                          >
                                                          > Venus (BK) in 10th house - P.Phalguni
                                                          >
                                                          > General Characteristics: sweet speech, generosity, a habit of wandering,
                                                          > government service.
                                                          > Translation: The Former Red One or A Fig Tree
                                                          > Symbol: Swinging hammock - rest and restoration, front legs of a bed, or
                                                          > a post.
                                                          > Animal Symbol: Female Rat
                                                          > Ruling Planet: Venus
                                                          > Nature: Manushya (human)
                                                          > Presiding deity: Bhaga - the god of good fortune and prosperity.
                                                          >
                                                          > Favorable: Creative; intelligent, active; charming; sincere; leadership
                                                          > skills; carefree; focus is on the body; physical approaches to healing;
                                                          > open minded; sweet speech; generous; wants fame and attention; faithful
                                                          > to issues and those they believe in; mystical nature; spokesperson;
                                                          > aristocratic; cultured; refined; gifted in the fine arts; youthful;
                                                          > exuberant; loving; good relationships.
                                                          >
                                                          > Unfavorable: Vanity; indulgent; impulsive mind; severe; promiscuous
                                                          > nature; narcissism; reckless; focused on getting what they want; spends
                                                          > carelessly - creates debt; addictive personality; hates being
                                                          > uncomfortable; needs stimulation; becomes depressed if do not get what
                                                          > they want; vindictive; lack of planning; unmotivated.
                                                          >
                                                          > Presently he is running the 6th dasha in the life i.e Moon from
                                                          > 22-11-2010. Under this the antar is of Rahu from 19-4-2012 to
                                                          > 23-1-2013. He has won the 3rd term as CM of Gujrat. Jupiter antar is in
                                                          > force from 23-01-2013 till 19-2-2015. General elections can be held
                                                          > anytime in 2013 or as schedule in April May,2014 .
                                                          >
                                                          > We do not know whether he will be really projected as prospective
                                                          > candidate by the BJP. In case he is projected, what I can say at this
                                                          > time is that he will be able to win as an MP for the next Lok Sabha, but
                                                          > how future developments will take place in the political arena, will
                                                          > only give us answers, if he would be actually projected as PM.
                                                          >
                                                          > There are a lots of misses between an MP and the ultimately He/She
                                                          > becoming The PM !
                                                          >
                                                          > With best wishes and regards.
                                                          >
                                                          > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                          > vedicjyotishspeak@yahoogroups
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,
                                                          > > A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we
                                                          > all
                                                          > > have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the
                                                          > > States),always take themselves as First amongst the most privilaged of
                                                          > > all; and the Country always stands Last !
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Can the Golden period in a nation become a reality with such mindset.
                                                          > We
                                                          > > as Astrologers can only attempt the birth chart analysis of any and
                                                          > all
                                                          > > the politicians ,and their Parties, who nominate their choice to lead
                                                          > > the country. People of our country cannot nominate themselves any
                                                          > > candidate, but simply have to vote for the parties.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Do we see any really capable and proven personality, who can take us
                                                          > to
                                                          > > the garden path of the Golden Period. Can the voters be chosers,
                                                          > really
                                                          > > , in the prevalent electoral systems ??
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta
                                                          > wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Dear Members,
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get
                                                          > their
                                                          > > respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs
                                                          > > united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                          > > > The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when
                                                          > > Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                          > > > From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules
                                                          > > India.
                                                          > > > That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some
                                                          > unproven
                                                          > > politician.
                                                          > > > Â
                                                          > > > About the Golden period, from where I stand the present
                                                          > sight
                                                          > > is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call
                                                          > it
                                                          > > golden, or burning bright ???Â
                                                          > > > the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will
                                                          > it
                                                          > > finance the same ?
                                                          > > > That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                          > > > Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into
                                                          > > cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency. Â
                                                          > Â
                                                          > > > For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing
                                                          > > in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > From: dushyant trivedi
                                                          > > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                          > > > To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com"
                                                          > > > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Â
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store.
                                                          > > Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future.
                                                          > Many
                                                          > > in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden
                                                          > period
                                                          > > between 2015 to 2025.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing
                                                          > good
                                                          > > at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and
                                                          > India
                                                          > > no. 3.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader
                                                          > > whoever he is.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Hoping for the best.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > D. D. Trivedi
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > From: Raj
                                                          > > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > > > Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                          > > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Â
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments
                                                          > > unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are
                                                          > > being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik
                                                          > > lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which
                                                          > person,other
                                                          > > than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that.
                                                          > It
                                                          > > would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi
                                                          > > wrote:
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become
                                                          > > excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who
                                                          > > have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun
                                                          > Lagna
                                                          > > but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > D D Trivedi
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > ________________________________
                                                          > > > > From: Raj
                                                          > > > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > > > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                          > > > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > ÂÂ
                                                          > > > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                          > > > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very
                                                          > > difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro
                                                          > data
                                                          > > in the internet.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question.
                                                          > Are
                                                          > > there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like
                                                          > > say PM?
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna
                                                          > > but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > D D Trivedi
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > >
                                                          >
                                                        • chiranjiv mehta
                                                          Dear Bhardwaj ji,   If you look at the subsidy and the leakages it may well be the biggest loot of history. Major goes to oil and fertilizer Cos for their
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                                                            Dear Bhardwaj ji,
                                                             
                                                            If you look at the subsidy and the leakages it may well be the biggest loot of history.
                                                            Major goes to oil and fertilizer Cos for their losses.
                                                            the balance goes to food subsidy, the PDS and the leakages.
                                                            Then there is NREGA. With all these subsidies there should be very less unfed or out of work people people and there should be noticable increase in the rural infrastructure.
                                                            Instead of the future let us look at the present time with Saturn + Rahu in Libra and not under aspect of Jupiter.
                                                            Look at the fiscal, trade, moral and karma deficit.
                                                             
                                                            Thanks & Regards

                                                            Chiranjiv Mehta


                                                            --- On Mon, 28/1/13, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...> wrote:

                                                            From: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@...>
                                                            Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                            To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                            Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 6:53 PM

                                                             
                                                            Dear Chiranjiv Ji,
                                                            A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we all have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the States),always take themselves as First amongst the most privilaged of  all; and the Country always stands Last !
                                                            Can the Golden period in a nation become a reality with such mindset. We as Astrologers can only attempt the birth chart analysis of any and all the politicians ,and their Parties, who nominate their choice to lead the country. People of our country cannot nominate themselves any candidate, but simply have to vote for the parties.
                                                            Do we see any really capable and proven personality, who can take us  to the garden path of the Golden Period. Can the voters be chosers, really , in the prevalent electoral systems ??
                                                            Raj Bhardwaj

                                                             
                                                            --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            > Dear Members,
                                                            >
                                                            > Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                            > The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                            > From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules India.
                                                            > That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some unproven politician.
                                                            >  
                                                            > About the Golden period, from where I stand the present sight is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call it golden, or burning bright ??? 
                                                            > the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will it finance the same ?
                                                            > That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                            > Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency.   
                                                            > For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.
                                                            >
                                                            > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > From: dushyant trivedi
                                                            > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                            > To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com"
                                                            > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM
                                                            >
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                                                            >
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                                                            >
                                                            > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
                                                            >
                                                            > I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period between 2015 to 2025.
                                                            >
                                                            > Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India no. 3.
                                                            >
                                                            > This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader whoever he is.
                                                            >
                                                            > Hoping for the best.
                                                            >
                                                            > I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.
                                                            >
                                                            > D. D. Trivedi
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                                                            > From: Raj
                                                            > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                            > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            >  
                                                            >
                                                            > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                            >
                                                            > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                            >
                                                            > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                            >
                                                            > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                            > >
                                                            > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > D D Trivedi
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > > ________________________________
                                                            > > From: Raj
                                                            > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                            > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                            > >
                                                            > >
                                                            > >  
                                                            > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                            > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                            > >
                                                            > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > D D Trivedi
                                                            > > >
                                                            > >
                                                            >
                                                          • Raj
                                                            Dear Chiranjeev Ji, Well said once again. Can we do away with the Governance, by the political parties? Perhaps we have already learned to live with them,since
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                                                              Dear Chiranjeev Ji,
                                                              Well said once again. Can we do away with the Governance, by the political parties? Perhaps we have already learned to live with them,since we were toddlers in our country, otherwise there might have been a really big movement like Quit India, by now. How many tiny revolutions we have been shown by all the politicians,right from the Independence! Many had promised a new world of our dreams, but vanished in the thin air. Many more are still waiting for their turn.

                                                              When We the People of India, will really rule ourselves, only God knows!What Rahu and Saturn will show us, is also in also like the Hand of the God !
                                                              Raj Bhardwaj

                                                              --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              > Dear Bhardwaj ji,
                                                              >  
                                                              > If you look at the subsidy and the leakages it may well be the biggest loot of history.
                                                              > Major goes to oil and fertilizer Cos for their losses.
                                                              > the balance goes to food subsidy, the PDS and the leakages.
                                                              > Then there is NREGA. With all these subsidies there should be very less unfed or out of work people people and there should be noticable increase in the rural infrastructure.
                                                              > Instead of the future let us look at the present time with Saturn + Rahu in Libra and not under aspect of Jupiter.
                                                              > Look at the fiscal, trade, moral and karma deficit.
                                                              >  
                                                              > Thanks & Regards
                                                              >
                                                              > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, Raj wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > From: Raj
                                                              > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                              > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                              > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 6:53 PM
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >  
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,
                                                              > A very rational and pertinent point of view. This is more so, as we all have been observing in our country, rulers (Both at Centre and the States),always take themselves as First amongst the most privilaged of  all; and the Country always stands Last !
                                                              > Can the Golden period in a nation become a reality with such mindset. We as Astrologers can only attempt the birth chart analysis of any and all the politicians ,and their Parties, who nominate their choice to lead the country. People of our country cannot nominate themselves any candidate, but simply have to vote for the parties.
                                                              > Do we see any really capable and proven personality, who can take us  to the garden path of the Golden Period. Can the voters be chosers, really , in the prevalent electoral systems ??
                                                              > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >  
                                                              > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, chiranjiv mehta wrote:
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Dear Members,
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Modi will be used as scare crow by both Congress and BJP to get their respective vote Banks - read united and scared Muslim vote Bank Vs united Hindu Vote Bank (non existent)
                                                              > > The posturing had already started a couple of years ago when Nitish Kumar started going anti Modi.
                                                              > > From what I hear the Foriegn Investors have a big say in who rules India.
                                                              > > That is a pity. But I am sure they will prefer Modi over some unproven politician.
                                                              > >  
                                                              > > About the Golden period, from where I stand the present sight is dismal and anything will shine in comparison. So you may call it golden, or burning bright ??? 
                                                              > > the Govt wants to commit 50% of budget to subsidy and how will it finance the same ?
                                                              > > That money will go from someones pocket or from borrowings.
                                                              > > Anyway either demand goes down or the currency does. So we get into cycle of higher inflation, stagnant demand and lower currency.   
                                                              > > For Golden period to come in future there has to be lot of cleansing in what looks like an increasingly corrupt society.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Chiranjiv Mehta
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > --- On Mon, 28/1/13, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > From: dushyant trivedi
                                                              > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                              > > To: "ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com"
                                                              > > Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 11:35 AM
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >  
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Dear Raj Bhardwaj ji,
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I appreciate your view point as there may be a surprise in store. Whatever the out come we first have to know what is India's Future. Many in the past 50 years have indicated that India shall have Golden period between 2015 to 2025.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Practically the economies of the western countries are not doing good at present and it is stated that China shall be no.1, USA no 2 and India no. 3.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > This definitely does indicate that India shall have a good leader whoever he is.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Hoping for the best.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > I some how wish to back Shri Narendra Modi.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > D. D. Trivedi
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > From: Raj
                                                              > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                              > > Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:57 AM
                                                              > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > >  
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Dear Trivedi Ji,
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Good one. Let us see what lies in future. With the developments unfolding in the indian politics, it apears that the 2 persons who are being talked about for facing each other have Mithun and Vrischik lagnas. This is just talk! We never know, ultimately which person,other than these two, may spring a surprise, and which lagna will be that. It would be interesting to see the outcome.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                              > >
                                                              > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, dushyant trivedi wrote:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Dear Shri Raj Bhardwaj,
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I have somehow always felt that Mithun Lagna people can become excellent advisers but not rulers.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > In my experience I have rarely come across Mithun Lagna people who have been in power. Our ex Prime Minister Morarji Desai had Mithun Lagna but his rule lasted for some time only.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > D D Trivedi
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > ________________________________
                                                              > > > From: Raj
                                                              > > > To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
                                                              > > > Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 7:07 PM
                                                              > > > Subject: Re: [AIA] Narendra Modi Vs Rahul Gandhi
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >  
                                                              > > > Trivedi Ji,
                                                              > > > Yes you have quoted interesting co-incidences,but it is very difficult to get the answer for your query, from the maze of astro data in the internet.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > Raj Bhardwaj
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > --- In ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com, trivedi20@ wrote:
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Having gone through the excellent analysis I have a question. Are there any example of Mithun Lagan people occupying a position of like say PM?
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Scientist EInstein had Mithun Lagna, Bill Gates has Mithun Lagna but they do not hold such powerful office.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Most of our PM have had Karka or Simha Lagna.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Hope to get an answer.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > D D Trivedi
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > >
                                                              >
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