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No Miracle on the Marne

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  • slip_kid33
    Plausible that the Great War 1914-18 would have been over by Christmas 1914 if Moltke wouldn t had panicked and transfered crucial divisions on the right
    Message 1 of 508 , May 3 4:44 PM
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      Plausible that the "Great War 1914-18" would have
      been over by Christmas 1914 if Moltke wouldn't had
      panicked and transfered crucial divisions on the right
      wing advance in France in accordance to the Schlieffen
      Plan. Paris would have fallen or be under siege, and
      the BEF would have lost it's nerve to battle the
      Germans, possibly. The Russians still would have fallen
      into the diaster at Tannenburg on the eastern front.
      With lightning quick German victories in the autumn of
      1914 on both fronts, undoubtedly the Entente would
      have sued for peace?Other authors/historians have
      tackled this before, some forcasted a Customs Union with
      Imperial Germany masters of the economic scene on the
      Continent, not much unlike the EU of today. With a German
      victory,does France&Britain fall into fascism later on? Does
      Germany grow more expansionistic and implement the *Drang
      nach Osten* invade Russia and the Ukraine? I can see
      Russia falling into revolution following losing another
      war, but this time there will not be a sealed train
      carrying Lenin to Finland Station to show Bolshevik power.
      The Menshiviks and SR's would triumph in a revoltion,
      and a "kinder and gentler" socialism in Russia would
      be the result...
    • texasjim2005
      First of all, had the Republic endured rather than be replaced by three hundred years of military dictatorships technological progress in the Mediterranean
      Message 508 of 508 , May 25 5:49 PM
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        First of all, had the Republic endured rather than be
        replaced by three hundred years of military dictatorships
        technological progress in the Mediterranean would have
        been greater as there would have been greater diversity
        and competition between and within the world powers for
        technological edges over their competitors. It isn't any
        accident that Athenian democracy produced one of the great
        scientific revolutions in history or that the Roman Republic
        went from having no navy at all to becoming the worlds greatest
        seapower during its Republican period. Freedom in a society
        may create social instability, which is why dictatorships spend
        so much of their nations resources supressing it, but it also
        makes societies richer and more technologically advanced.

        Secondly, the Parthian Empire would be better able to expand
        West without running into Roman Legions and without being
        preoccupied with the East, Rome might have chosen to expand further
        Northward up into Germany absorbing more Frankish and Germanic tribes
        into the Latin culture before the barbarian migrations of the dark
        ages when the Huns started pushing all the other barbarian tribes
        West. That might have possibly stopped the barbarian hordes from
        destroying Rome and actually prevented the Dark Ages.

        So far as Anthony and Cleopatra, had Anthony not made an incredible
        amount of enemies by nailing the Consul Cicero's head to the Senate
        Podium during the civil war he started, the Senate might have been
        content to let him live to a ripe old age in Egypt with Cleopatra,
        and perhaps one of their granddaughters might have fallen in love with
        a nice Jewish philospher with a family living in a somewhat more free
        spirited Alexandria than it was under Augustus and Tiberius.

        -Jim in Texas


        --- In alternatehistory2@yahoogroups.com, starfarerk wrote:
        > And Brutus,and Cassius become consuls. By the
        > time the dust settles,the republic has a token
        > presence in Judea,conquest of Syria,and have decided to
        > leave Egypt pretty much alone...unless,as is likely,
        > Antiochus sees the stupidity of crossing Rome,the factions
        > in Jerusalem see the foolishness of submitting,and
        > Cleopatra is,well...CLEOPATRA. What would the outcome be?
        > What would be the state of the middle east today?
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