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Re: The Viking settlements in America / Vinland last longer or are permanent

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  • anthonyappleyard
    ... There would have been little or no need to dispossess Egyptian natives. When Napoleon came Egypt only had about 2 million population and huge areas in the
    Message 1 of 12 , Feb 1, 2002
      --- In alternate-history@y..., "scott palter" <agingcow2345@h...>
      wrote:
      > Had they ruthlessly dispossessed the natives and offered the
      > equivalent of homesteading it would have worked in Egypt...

      There would have been little or no need to dispossess Egyptian
      natives. When Napoleon came Egypt only had about 2 million population
      and huge areas in the Delta were uninhabited papyrus swamp which
      would have been drained and settled by European settlers.
    • rurrjh
      ... equivalent of homesteading it would have worked in Egypt. They could also have pulled in Near Eastern Christians and acculturated them - see the French in
      Message 2 of 12 , Feb 2, 2002
        --- In alternate-history@y..., "scott palter" <agingcow2345@h...>
        wrote:
        > land and climate.
        >
        > Had they ruthlessly dispossessed the natives and offered the
        equivalent of homesteading it would have worked in Egypt. They could
        also have pulled in Near Eastern Christians and acculturated them -
        see the French in Algeria where many of the pied noirs were actually
        of Spanish and Italian descent.
        >
        > Scott
        >

        How about a penal colony? Ok so the british get a few million white
        settelers in egypt. perhaps some Indians for Good measure as coolies

        Assmiltated Spanish and Italians and irish rebels and the scots
        highlanders are deported there. What are the changes to World
        history, with a more westernised egypt.


        Rurr,
      • anthonyappleyard
        ... white ... A European-populated Egypt would throw its weight on the side of white settlers further west if native A;gerians etc made trouble. But if Egypt
        Message 3 of 12 , Feb 2, 2002
          --- In alternate-history@y..., "rurrjh" <rurr2@h...> wrote:
          > How about a penal colony? Ok so the british get a few million
          white
          > settelers in egypt. perhaps some Indians for Good measure as coolies
          > Assmiltated Spanish and Italians and irish rebels and the scots
          > highlanders are deported there. What are the changes to World
          > history, with a more westernised egypt.

          A European-populated Egypt would throw its weight on the side of
          white settlers further west if native A;gerians etc made trouble. But
          if Egypt became majority white, so likely would Algeria etc; it would
          be a race between native breeding and white settlement. The
          Palestinians in 1948 would get no help from Egypt, or only a few
          irregulars from the native minority. If things went far enough, the
          same might happen in the whole Fertile Crescent and 1900AD would find
          Islam driven back into the Arabian peninsula and up to the Persian
          birder mountains. Native American states (Aztecia, Comancheland, etc)
          might want to help the natives but find that it was too far to send
          men. If Muslims across the borders make serious trouble against the
          whites who had taken over Egypt etc, the next stage might well be the
          ultimate deed and a white Christian army taking Mecca, and that
          would "put the fat in the fire" good and proper.

          One scenario in Mexico might be that the Spanish do take over, but
          the natives refuse to die out from white man's diseases and later
          rebel and overthrow European rule and return to the old culture,
          preferably without human sacrifice. OTL the disease population crash
          of the native Mexicans was at least twice as bad as the recent Jewish
          Holocaust, both in numbers and in the proportion of the whole.
        • lord_of_change2001
          The big problem with a European populated Egypt IMO involves disease . As Egypt is by its nature centres its population around the Nile and its tributaries ,
          Message 4 of 12 , Feb 3, 2002
            The big problem with a European populated Egypt IMO involves disease .
            As Egypt is by its nature centres its population around the Nile and
            its tributaries , such populations are very prone to water bourne and
            vectored diseases . Any serious attempt to populate Egypt with a
            large European population spells disaster for the settlers in
            question . Cholera , Relapsing Fever , Malaria , Poliomyelitus , Rift
            Valley fever and Typhoid were and in many case still are endemic to
            the area . Malaria and Rift valley fever in particular would have
            simply decimated any serious attempt at populating Egypt with
            Europeans . The only real way to bypass this would be to intermarry
            extensively with the local population and cache in on several
            thousand years of built up resistance for free in the next
            generation .
            Indians immigrants might work though certainly in respect of Malaria
            Cholera and Typhoid . And if you make sure that they're Seek , then
            you prettty much ensure a bullwork against Islamic expansion .

            LoC


            --- In alternate-history@y..., "anthonyappleyard"
            <Anthony.Appleyard@u...> wrote:
            > --- In alternate-history@y..., "rurrjh" <rurr2@h...> wrote:
            > > How about a penal colony? Ok so the british get a few million
            > white
            > > settelers in egypt. perhaps some Indians for Good measure as
            coolies
            > > Assmiltated Spanish and Italians and irish rebels and the scots
            > > highlanders are deported there. What are the changes to World
            > > history, with a more westernised egypt.
            >
            > A European-populated Egypt would throw its weight on the side of
            > white settlers further west if native A;gerians etc made trouble.
            But
            > if Egypt became majority white, so likely would Algeria etc; it
            would
            > be a race between native breeding and white settlement. The
            > Palestinians in 1948 would get no help from Egypt, or only a few
            > irregulars from the native minority. If things went far enough, the
            > same might happen in the whole Fertile Crescent and 1900AD would
            find
            > Islam driven back into the Arabian peninsula and up to the Persian
            > birder mountains. Native American states (Aztecia, Comancheland,
            etc)
            > might want to help the natives but find that it was too far to send
            > men. If Muslims across the borders make serious trouble against the
            > whites who had taken over Egypt etc, the next stage might well be
            the
            > ultimate deed and a white Christian army taking Mecca, and that
            > would "put the fat in the fire" good and proper.
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