Re: Earlier development of V-2?
- --- In alternate-history@y..., "Scott Palter" <victoriancow2345@e...>
> Now we are on the same frequency.fields
> The Caucasus were a myth. Presume the Germans capture the oil
> intact. A pipeline dies of guerilla action. The one rail bridgeover the
> Don north of Rostov is not going to permit enough traffic to have amajor
> impact on the war, and fuel cars on a railroad are a VERY expensiveway to
> move the stuff.Presume
> To me the key alternative comes in the summer and autumn of 1940.
> that Hitler twigs quickly to the idea that Britain is staying inthe war and
> doesn't buy the British diplomatic fakes of May - August.with a
> Sea Lion is at best a long shot.
> The key is forcing Italy to take German 'help' early. Send Rome
> panzer corps (2 panzer and one motorized divisions in July of 1940)instead
> of the following February - May. Send Kesselring's entire airfleet to the
> Med. Use Student's remnants to quickly take Malta, which wasvirtually
> undefended in 1940.plus air
> Egypt was barely defended in the summer of 1940. Rommel's corps
> cover and a bit of air resupply can waltz to the Canal. TheItalian 10th
> Army follows behind as an occupation force for Egypt and pointssouth
> (Sudan) and East (Palestine, Jordan).across the
> The Brits would put block ships in the Canal and retreat both
> Sinai and up the Nile with the fleet (filled to the brim with Empirebring in
> refugees and military rear area hangers) on pulling back to Aden and
> Mombassa. Two weeks to clear Alexandria of British demolitions and
> the engineering resources to bridge the Canal. Meantime Studentand an
> Italian naval squadron can take Cyprus (equally undefended in1940). Once
> across the Canal, you repeat Dayan's 100 hour Sinai campaign in theother
> direction. Another week gets you Palestine - the Arabs werealready in
> revolt and there were basically 4 1918 type divisions (counting theArab
> Legion) and 100,000 Jews to hold it.now an
> A week for resupply through Haifa - the Eastern basin of the Med is
> Axis lake and the Brits would be rushed blowing Haifa up - too manyfast troops
> refugees, not enough transport, total chaos.
> The useable part of Jordan takes another week - let the Italian
> occupy Aquaba while Rommel takes Amman and the Yarmuk Valley.tail end
> So end of September Rommel's armored car units are fencing with the
> of the British retreat at air base H5 in the desert on the road toBaghdad.
> Now have Rashid Ali's Iraqi revolt break out. Vichy gave transit
> through Syria in the actual 1941 revolt. They would be more likelyto now
> just after the British treachery at Mers El Kabir and Dakar. SoAli gets
> supported by Student's rump division (a small brigade) and a fewsquadrons
> of Stukas and Ju 52's out of Kirkuk and Mosul. Rommel does adesert dash,
> living off momentum and captured British supplies and transport(same as he
> did several times in OTL). Major parts of the British retreat cutoff and
> captured / massacred around Baghdad. The remains retreat down bothsides of
> the Gulf Coast with the RN taking out what they can along the way.By the
> end of October the Brits are penned up at Basra but otherwise outof Iraq
> and the adjacent Persian oil province. By the end of January theAxis has
> cleared the Arabian side of the Gulf to at least the Emirates andperhaps to
> Oman. Persia, Iraq and Turkey have joined the Axis. The pipelinesto Haifa
> are pumping oil out at Beirut and Haifa which can be taken bytanker toi
> Trieste or up the Danube.perhaps a
> Italian East Africa has been linked up to Axis Europe.
> A real Axis push would include Aden, Yemen, the rest of Saudi and
> bit of Congo and British East Africa but that's all optional.A lot of Commonwealth units can zip from India to Port Said or
> Also no Balkan campaign so add two or three weeks to Barbarossa.
Baghdad-I have the Europa OB for War in the Desert. I think your
premise will work, it just won't be a walkover. The Soviets may have
a Front/army group in the Mid East from the Caucasus(I'll have to dig
out the 'Red Desert' Europa scenario to check where they came
from)...and don't forget Turkey. One plan was not to supply monty
with US tanks but to shift 2 Us divisions around the horn into egypt,
admittably they'd be a tad late...
- How does this affect the future course of world
--- rurr2@... wrote:
> --- In alternate-history@y..., Thomas Roche__________________________________________________
> > Imagine Hitler foolishly attacks and destroys
> > and, as you suggest, millions of quiescent Muslims
> > worldwide organize together under some sort of
> > charismatic leader willing to fight the northern
> > infidels. What happens? Especially what are the
> > consequences for worldwide Jewry?
> The German Muslim units rebel. Turkey probably
> declares war
> agasint Germany. (There's an intresting sitaution
> here Turkish troops
> entering Greece and the Russias?) The Brits and
> French probably get
> thosuand Islamic volunteers, in their service. Any
> Vichy french
> possesions still in N. Africa or the Mid east are
> set alight.
> However the net result is atagonism to the West in
> general. even if
> the muslim worlds is united by a new caliph. the
> Isalmic world does
> not have the infastructure to campaign north. nor
> are the Brits or
> frencH going to be to please at thousands of Muslim
> youths arming.
> ThE Europeans are driven out of N. africa early.
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