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18947Re: [alternate-history] Re: Would History Change IF Atlantis Appeared?

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  • Amina Arraf
    Mar 9, 2006
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      Would blocking the North Sea change the climate for
      northern Europe?

      - Ami

      --- Michael Edward McNeil <MEMcNeil@...> wrote:

      > macmaster@... wrote:
      >
      > >Hmm, that would be a very plausible shift - but
      > what
      > >would it mean for us if England were a paninsula?
      > >
      > >
      > >Michael Edward McNeil wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >>2) Lack of an English Channel, as Josh proposed,
      > >>simply requires that a couple of hundred foot
      > >>breach in what was a single land-mass during the
      > >>ice age not occur at the end of the ice age.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > Hm:
      >
      > 1. Caesar conquers southern Britain -- perhaps the
      > entire peninsula --
      > along with the Gauls in the Gallic War. Augustus
      > finishes up the job of
      > occupying what we know as Scotland.
      >
      > 2. Claudius begins the conquest of Ireland rather
      > than Britain.
      >
      > 3. The Franks conquer southern Britain along with
      > Gaul. The
      > Anglo-Saxons stay put (unless they invade Scotland
      > and/or Ireland).
      > Brittany settled by Irish Celts.
      >
      > 4. The Normans originally settle in Britain rather
      > than OTL Normandy.
      >
      > 5. The Normans invade Ireland. After the Hundred
      > Years War, Britain
      > goes to France, while Ireland takes on the role of
      > England -- but it's
      > smaller and weaker.
      >
      > 5. The Spanish Armada conquers Ireland (since
      > there's no English
      > Channel to get defeated in).
      >
      > 6. France takes Ireland from Spain? Or not.
      >
      > 7. The Dutch have a longer, more circuitous and
      > dangerous route -- that
      > France can more easily block -- round Scotland to
      > get anywhere for trade
      > or war, and therefore likely don't colonize New
      > Amsterdam, perhaps also
      > no Dutch in south and east Asia and Indonesia.
      >
      > 8. France occupies all of North America north of
      > New Spain, Texas, and
      > New Mexico.
      >
      > 9. No American Revolution, and no liberal
      > democratic America, at least
      > then. New France under a viceroy.
      >
      > 10. Napoleon (assuming -- a big if -- that things
      > are similar up to
      > that point) conquers all of Europe, perhaps
      > including Russia.
      >
      > 11. Hitler (ditto); France when it surrenders also
      > surrenders Ireland,
      > while New France becomes an independent republic, a
      > la the way Brazil
      > became independent in OTL. Does it fight Hitler?
      >
      > 12. Assuming Hitler fails to take the USSR, Stalin
      > thereupon occupies
      > all of Europe.
      >
      > 13. Etats Unis d'Amerique forms the opposite pole
      > to the USSR.
      >
      >
      > Michael McNeil
      >
      >
      >
      >


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