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  • Dan
    Hey, that s great !!! That s going to help out tremendously. thanks again =Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Message 1 of 12 , Aug 28, 2005
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      Hey, that's great !!!
      That's going to help out tremendously.
      thanks again

      =Dan

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      wtsnet wrote:

      >
      > Will one of these work?
      >
      > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP75.jpg
      > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP150.jpg
      > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP300.jpg
      > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP600.jpg
      > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP1200.jpg
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Tom Sanderson
      > www.virtualaltair.com
      >
      >
      > --- In altaircomputerclub@yahoogroups.com, Dan <ragooman@c...> wrote:
      > > Hi,
      > >
      > > I saw from an earlier post on here about using PhotoEZ to
      > silkscreen
      > > front panels. That looks so great to use and easy to handle. I'm
      > going
      > > to get some of this to restore my other machines too. But now I
      > have to
      > > find somebody who has scanned a good version of the front panel
      > for an
      > > Altair 680. I hope someone who has an Altair 680 could offer this.
      > >
      > > thanks,
      > > Dan
      > >
      > >
      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Dan wrote:
      > >
      > > > Hi,
      > > >
      > > > I was wondering if anyone might know where I can get the logo
      > artwork
      > > > reproduced for the front on my Altair 680. This was an original
      > computer
      > > > my late brother bought as a kit back in the 70's. I helped him
      > build
      > > > this and we sure had some fun programming this. I'm finally
      > getting
      > > > around to restoring this. I dug it out from the last trip
      > visiting them.
      > > > All my stuff was stored in their garage since we moved. The logo
      > > > silkscreen has faded away alot there's nothing left that
      > resembles a
      > > > logo. I was hoping there is some way to restore this, either by
      > > > replacing the front panel or getting this repainted(or
      > silkscreened). In
      > > > the meantime, I can get the hardware cleaned up and hopefully
      > get this
      > > > to run again.
      > > >
      > > > thanks,
      > > > =Dan
      > > >
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    • Dan
      oh ok , I didn t know about them. By chance, I was looking already at the photoezsilkscreen.com. thanks for the tip =Dan
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        oh ok , I didn't know about them.
        By chance, I was looking already at the photoezsilkscreen.com.
        thanks for the tip

        =Dan

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        Craig Landrum wrote:

        >
        > On Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 9:01 AM, Dan sent:
        >
        > >Hi,
        > >
        > >I saw from an earlier post on here about using PhotoEZ to silkscreen
        > >front panels. That looks so great to use and easy to handle. I'm going
        > >to get some of this to restore my other machines too. But now I have to
        > >find somebody who has scanned a good version of the front panel for an
        > >Altair 680. I hope someone who has an Altair 680 could offer this.
        > >
        > >thanks,
        > >Dan
        > >
        > >
        > FYi to Dan, don't order photoEZ from the Gwen Gibson website -
        > that ios no longer active Order PhotoEZ from here:
        >
        > www.photoezsilkscreen.com
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Craig Landrum
        > Chief Technical Officer
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      • Dan
        Hey, that s great !!! That s going to help out tremendously. thanks again =Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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          Hey, that's great !!!
          That's going to help out tremendously.
          thanks again

          =Dan

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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          [Pittsburgh Robotics Society http://www.pghrobotics.org/%5d
          [Pittsburgh Vintage Comp.Society http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5d
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



          wtsnet wrote:

          >
          > Will one of these work?
          >
          > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP75.jpg
          > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP150.jpg
          > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP300.jpg
          > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP600.jpg
          > http://www.virtualaltair.com/systems/680/images/680DP1200.jpg
          >
          > Regards,
          >
          > Tom Sanderson
          > www.virtualaltair.com
          >
          >
          > --- In altaircomputerclub@yahoogroups.com, Dan <ragooman@c...> wrote:
          > > Hi,
          > >
          > > I saw from an earlier post on here about using PhotoEZ to
          > silkscreen
          > > front panels. That looks so great to use and easy to handle. I'm
          > going
          > > to get some of this to restore my other machines too. But now I
          > have to
          > > find somebody who has scanned a good version of the front panel
          > for an
          > > Altair 680. I hope someone who has an Altair 680 could offer this.
          > >
          > > thanks,
          > > Dan
          > >
          > >
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > ~~~~~~~~
          > > [My Corner of Cyberspace
          > http://ragooman.home.comcast.net/%5d <http://ragooman.home.comcast.net/%5D>
          > > [Pittsburgh Robotics Society
          > http://www.pghrobotics.org/%5d <http://www.pghrobotics.org/%5D>
          > > [Pittsburgh Vintage Comp.Society
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5d
          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5D>
          > >
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > ~~~~~~~~
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Dan wrote:
          > >
          > > > Hi,
          > > >
          > > > I was wondering if anyone might know where I can get the logo
          > artwork
          > > > reproduced for the front on my Altair 680. This was an original
          > computer
          > > > my late brother bought as a kit back in the 70's. I helped him
          > build
          > > > this and we sure had some fun programming this. I'm finally
          > getting
          > > > around to restoring this. I dug it out from the last trip
          > visiting them.
          > > > All my stuff was stored in their garage since we moved. The logo
          > > > silkscreen has faded away alot there's nothing left that
          > resembles a
          > > > logo. I was hoping there is some way to restore this, either by
          > > > replacing the front panel or getting this repainted(or
          > silkscreened). In
          > > > the meantime, I can get the hardware cleaned up and hopefully
          > get this
          > > > to run again.
          > > >
          > > > thanks,
          > > > =Dan
          > > >
          > > > --
          > > >
          > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          > ~~~~~~~~
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          > > > [Pittsburgh Vintage Comp.Society
          > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5d
          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5D>
          > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pghvintagecomp/%5D>
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        • Craig Landrum
          General hints for using PhotoEZ: Don t bother buying the clear plasric frame they sell on the website. What you want is a nice piece of window glass. The
          Message 4 of 12 , Aug 29, 2005
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            General hints for using PhotoEZ:


            Don't bother buying the clear plasric "frame" they sell
            on the website. What you want is a nice piece of window
            glass. The basic idea here is to hold the printed template
            directly against the sheet of PhotoEZ while it is being
            exposed. If ANY space is between the template and the
            PhotoEZ, light will creep in behind and ruin the exposure.

            Don't bother hunting for clear acetate to print your template
            on. When printing using a laser or inkjet onto those
            clear overhead slide sheets, the printing rarely comes out
            completely opaque - more of a gray - and that lets too
            much light through. Instead, just use cheap white printer
            paper and print onto that - it will be darker and will
            work better anyway.

            The printed page go printed-side down facing the PhotoEZ
            during exposure. DO NOT FORGET to remove the frosted
            protective sheet from the PhotoEZ just before you expose
            it. Under the frsoted sheet it is green and shiny and that
            is the surface you place your printed page on, printing
            side down.

            The PhotoEZ should sit on something black while being
            exposed, like a piece of black plastic or black cloth.
            The stack will be in this order:

            BRIGHT SUN
            |
            glass sheet
            facedown printed page
            PhotoEZ shiny green side up
            Black surface


            Do whatever is needed to hold the sheet of glass on the
            page and the PhotoEZ immobile while it is being exposed.
            I exposed mine for exactly 4 minutes in bright sunlight
            and that was just about perfect. I actually taped my stack
            together.

            Once you have the stack assembled, cover it with something
            opaque and take it outside an put it facing the sun. Have
            a watch or clock with you with a sweep second hand. Uncover
            to bright sunlight for 4 minutes - any longer and light will
            start to creep under the edges of your printing. Recover
            and take back inside.

            When developing it in water, use water that is not too cold
            and not too hot. Too hot water will dissolve ALL the
            PhotoEZ, as I found out the hard way. They tell you to
            develop for 10 minutes, and that's about right, but use
            a soft artists paintbrush and lightly start to brush the
            exposed areas after about 4 minutes (the exposed areas
            will appear as a lighter green). After about 5 or 6
            minutes you will start to see areas that are completely
            clear of photoEZ. After all areas look clear, hold the
            new stencil up to the light to find areas that still need
            a bit of brushing - repeat until you have a good stencil.

            Lay out your stencil on some paper towels to dry - shiny
            side up (same side that was exposed) and DO NOT touch the
            shiny side - it is very sticky and easily damaged. After
            10 minutes of initial drying, I placed the stencil on a
            clean flat surface (shiny side up again) and carefully
            taped just the corners to the surface to hold it straight,
            and then placed the stencil back in the sunlight to
            complete drying and to harden it up. This took about
            30 - 45 minutes. After that, the stencil is ready to
            use.

            When using the stencil, try and work in small areas at
            one time and try and achieve close contact between the
            stencil and the surface to be painted. The shiny side
            goes against the surface to be painted. If using
            spray paint, be sure to mask off other parts of the
            stencil as well a parts of the surface not being painted.
            I've had good results using Krylon spray paint, but
            you can also use paints front tubes and apply using a
            squeegee (I haven't tried this). After applying paint,
            wait for a few minutes for initial drying, carefully
            remove the stencil and clean the stencil in paint
            remover and allow the area just painted to thoroughly
            dry before doing the next area.

            Anyway, those are my hints and tips from using this
            stuff before. I'll be restoring my old 8800 front
            panel this week and will post some before and
            after pics.

            --
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            Chief Technical Officer
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          • Dan
            Craig, Thanks for sharing your experience, I know this will be very useful for when I get cracking on making a silkscreen. I look forward to see the 8800 pics.
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              Craig,

              Thanks for sharing your experience, I know this will be very useful for
              when I get cracking on making a silkscreen. I look forward to see the
              8800 pics.

              =Dan

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              Craig Landrum wrote:

              > General hints for using PhotoEZ:
              >
              >
              > Don't bother buying the clear plasric "frame" they sell
              > on the website. What you want is a nice piece of window
              > glass. The basic idea here is to hold the printed template
              > directly against the sheet of PhotoEZ while it is being
              > exposed. If ANY space is between the template and the
              > PhotoEZ, light will creep in behind and ruin the exposure.
              >
              > [snip]
              >
              > Anyway, those are my hints and tips from using this
              > stuff before. I'll be restoring my old 8800 front
              > panel this week and will post some before and
              > after pics.
              >


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