Re: [Altair Computer Club] What ever happened to daveygf?
- As I've said here before, Erik has a nice site that hosts many
forums, and it's worth visiting. There's a shortcut to his site in
our LINKS folder. There are advantages to both this and Erik's
site: VCforum is ad-free and this Yahoo group has ads. If the ads
really bother you, a popup killer is all that's needed. Yahoo is
free. That's why there are ads. Someone (Erik) has to pay for
Erik's site. That's why he has no ads. Vcforum has a nice way of
threading subjects and the messages are well presented, but it
doesn't seem to support forwarding the messages by email like Yahoo
does. Am I mistaken here, Erik? (Personally, I could care less
because I read the messages online, but many of our members prefer to
read them as emails). Here's my biggest concern about private
sponsorship, though: This group site will continue to exist even if
the moderator gets tired of doing the job. Someone else can simply
take over as moderator. No insult intended here Erik, but what
happens to your vcforum if you decide you don't want to sponsor it
any more? This discussion is really just academic anyway. Our
respective members will determine which site(s) gets used.
I don't really see the point in having a more formal club. Why do we
need club officers? What would they do? Make rules? About what?
We have no treasury, no requirement to record the minutes, and no
need for a president (other than to serve as the aformentioned spam
cop). Although we call this a club, it's simply a message board
where people talk about their computers. No one is currently being
censored other than spammers, and no one will be, as long as we avoid
discussing politics, religion, and way-off-topic subjects. If
someone wants to maintain any kind of off-site database, there's no
reason that he can't do so. No one's permission is required, and
I'll even post a link to the site. I'm sure Erik will do the same
By the way, I've contacted daveygf about his old web page content.
I'll make the data available as soon as I hear back from him.
(PS- If you really want a formal club, just send your $50 annual dues
to me. I promise *something constructive* will be done with the
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Erik S. Klein"
> By the same token I would be happy to host the club, the registryand
> any other Altair web items at www.vintage-computer.comboard
> <http://www.vintage-computer.com/> and/or the associated message
> (www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum). We could, for instance,relocate
> the discussions from this group to the VC Forum (in either a publicor
> private message area) and eliminate the banner ads and other Yahooany of
> annoyances while maintaining the ease of use, etc.
> I'd also love to get the original registry information as a starting
> point and to then build on that with the resources we now have on
> the various web sites devoted to old computers or specificallyAltairs.
> Count me in as a participant in a more formalized club as Todd has
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TMollerup [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:53 AM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: [Altair Computer Club] What ever happened to daveygf?
> If their is anything I can do to help, let me know. I am also more
> than happy to host the website at my company and contiue to upgrade
> the website's look, feel, and most important, content, with your
> direction and assistance. I can assist with the leg work while I
> continue to learn about this machine, the era, and the people who
> forever changed the world and mankind. I also wouldn't mind seeing
> the club formalize with a president, VP of PR, VP or Education, and
> VP of Membership, with new officers elected each year to be
> responsible for keeping the collection of information, education,
> group think going. There are a lot of Altairs out there and people<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3856299.5103760.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17
> out there who love them and their history. By having others support
> your efforts, the efforts of Dave, Tom, and everyone else, we can
> educate more people about this machine and this great time in our
> country and world's history.
> Todd Mollerup
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I would have to agree with your comments regarding a third party
sponsored message board for the Altair. This Yahoo forum seems best
for the reasons you mentioned. However, I do believe a more formal
organization could be welcomed by many. Not in the sense of having
meetings and collecting dues, but as a means to continue to collect
and distribute information. Many people are interested in the history
of technology, especially the Altair, and there isn't a consistent
force working to make that information easily available to the
general population. By having an organization, we establish a small
group who accept responsibility for continuing to add to the
knowledge and keep the information hosted on the web. This way, past
efforts won't be or taken off line as the sponsoring individual moves
on in life.
I understand your reaction to the club idea, as many clubs are an
exercise in politics, but here we have a clear mission, with less
formality. For example, there likely would not be any meetings, just
emails and projects...low pressure...low key--keep the website up and
growing--stay focused on the Altair and its historical surroundings.
What amazes me about the Altair community is the effort already put
forth. History is right in front of us, and the people who were there
are still around. Their stories and knowledge need to live beyond
them. If no one from the next generation takes any interest, this
part of the world's history will fade.
The structure for most of what you propose is already in place here,
on Erik's pages, and on some other sites. If there's an unexplored
or underdocumented segment of Altair history that you feel should be
more thoroughly covered, there are several things you or any other
member can do, without the necessity of having a mandate from the
1) You can post questions to the group;
2) You can post comments in the form of messages;
3) You can post photos and files (including reasonably sized 8080
programs) in the appropriate group folders;
4) You can find related web pages and post links to them in our
5) You can create your own web page wherein you can display any
Altair-related information that you feel is of value. Free web space
is easily available from Yahoo/Geocities and others. In addition,
it's only a 5-minute effort to start your own Yahoo group site. If
you want to take the latter approach, write to me off-group and I'll
help you do it. With your enthusiasm, I'm sure you can contribute a
Do you get the feeling that I think a formal club isn't a good idea?
Well, that's true for this Yahoo group, but I'm not saying that it's
generally a bad idea. In fact, I'll gladly join an off-site formal
club that you may form. You're welcome to post a link and advertise
your web page here. It's not the intent of this AltairComputerClub
to compete with other sites, but to compliment them.
--- In email@example.com, TMollerup <no_reply@y...>
> I would have to agree with your comments regarding a third party
> sponsored message board for the Altair. This Yahoo forum seems best
> for the reasons you mentioned. However, I do believe a more formal
> organization could be welcomed by many. Not in the sense of having
> meetings and collecting dues, but as a means to continue to collect
> and distribute information. Many people are interested in the
> of technology, especially the Altair, and there isn't a consistentpast
> force working to make that information easily available to the
> general population. By having an organization, we establish a small
> group who accept responsibility for continuing to add to the
> knowledge and keep the information hosted on the web. This way,
> efforts won't be or taken off line as the sponsoring individualmoves
> on in life.just
> I understand your reaction to the club idea, as many clubs are an
> exercise in politics, but here we have a clear mission, with less
> formality. For example, there likely would not be any meetings,
> emails and projects...low pressure...low key--keep the website upand
> growing--stay focused on the Altair and its historicalsurroundings.
> What amazes me about the Altair community is the effort already put
> forth. History is right in front of us, and the people who were
> are still around. Their stories and knowledge need to live beyond
> them. If no one from the next generation takes any interest, this
> part of the world's history will fade.