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  • Michael Pfeffer
    Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh
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      Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week. Great progress though. Aloha, mike

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      From: kenneth klein
      Date: 10/15/03 8:09 am
      To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com
      Subj: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB






      I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections? If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials. If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.

      I am willing to be convinced, though. In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.

      --Ken Klein

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      From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...>
      Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am
      Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB

      > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.
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      > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
      > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
      > has so much of it already.
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      > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
      > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
      > Blanding. Some...but not alot.
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      > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
      > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
      > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
      > this group. We should try and include them as well.
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      > Keith
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    • tjmarkle@earthlink.net
      ... From: Michael Pfeffer Sent: Oct 15, 2003 12:55 PM To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re:
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        Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th.  More details later.  I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week.  Great progress though.  Aloha, mike<BR>
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        Date:  10/15/03 8:09 am<BR>
        To:  aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com<BR>
        Subj:  Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB<BR>
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        Congrats to you and your wife on the new child. Now we are getting some ideas out. I do like the virtual Museum idea. At least that would allow for a complete documented pictoral collection, even if the owner did not want to let it go at that time. My issues are not with Oklahoma itself. It is just that Oklahoma isn't a place where people travel to for the most part, thus, isolating the collection to the eyes of a few people and I don't like that. I think Hawaii is a great place to house the collection or at least part of of it. Of course I would want to see my collection be appraised at a high value. I think an ebay auction is somewhat artificial however. On the antique road show, the appraisers are right there with a wealth of knowledge and history and collaboration with other appraisors on a particular item. It is very professional as opposed to what I see on ebay. You are correct however in saying that is worth what a person will pay for it. When there are twenty of the same items and one goes for $150 and the next one goes for $50, then I start questioning values. Thats why I was thinking of an outside independent appraiser. We do have some good dialogue and I appreciate all the input. tj
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        I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials.  Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections?  If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials.  If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.  <BR>
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        I am willing to be convinced, though.  In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.  <BR>
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        From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...><BR>
        Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am<BR>
        Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB<BR>
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        > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.<BR>
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        > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not <BR>
        > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum <BR>
        > has so much of it already.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto <BR>
        > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in <BR>
        > Blanding. Some...but not alot.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we <BR>
        > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major <BR>
        > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of <BR>
        > this group. We should try and include them as well.<BR>
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      • Cadia Los
        TJ, I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double the total for
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          TJ,

          I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each
          item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double
          the total for insurance purposes.

          Over time, you can adjust the amount upward by 5% or 10% a year to
          keep pace with both inflation and posssibly increased collector
          interest. Insurance companies don't care about most collectibles;
          unless you have an item valued over $500 or $1000, they just lump
          everything into "household goods." Years ago, when I had renter's
          insurance, 3 different companies just said, "Tell us how much you
          think it would cost to replace everything you own; no itemization
          needed." The only separate rider was for a large painting by Howard
          Chandler Christy.

          Valuing collectibles of any kind is subjective at best. Original
          artwork is valued differently than books, which are valued
          differently than ephemera or dishes or whatever. If there is a track
          record of sales -- direct or via auction -- then a book value can be
          established. But for one-of-a-kind items, or for those with a
          limited audience, the value is essentially whatever someone wants to
          pay and the seller is willing to accept.

          In listening to appraisers on the Antiques Roadshow, I've noticed
          that a thematic collection, especially one with documented
          provenance, often is valued higher than if the parts were found
          scattered. Objects by themselves may have modest value;
          the "collection" of these objects is what gives them meaning and
          value.

          On a good day, I can buy a copy of almost any DB book for under $20.
          (The exceptions are "In An Old Hawaiian Garden" and the books that
          precede "Vagabond's House.") Condition, edition and provenance are
          important.

          A couple of years ago, I paid $50 at a show for a decent copy
          of "Flowers of the Rainbow." The tag price was $85; the dealer
          wanted a sale, saw that I was spending time with that book and didn't
          hesitate to drop the price. I was happy, he was happy. Now I see
          people offering a copy in lousy condition for $150 and up.
          Optimists, all!

          Now, if I were to find a copy of "Flowers of the Rainbow" hand-
          inscribed by DB to his mother, with date and place ... poor as I am,
          money would be no object.

          Auctions present a special case. Hawaiiana sells, as almost any
          dealer will tell you. Put 2 or more bidders together and you get a
          bidding frenzy. Is the object worth what the top bidder paid?
          Probably not. The underbidders just want to make sure he pays a
          whole lot more than he thought he would.

          As for where a collection should be held, I think it's more important
          to document what items exist, where, and what their estimated value
          is based on whatever track record is available. Obviously, some DB-
          related items already appear in value guides, including books and
          Vernon Kilns dishes.

          The Museum of the Great Plains probably has the largest concentrated
          collection of memorabilia; collectively we as a group probably have a
          great deal more. I like the idea of the Honolulu Academy of the Arts
          being a repository, with the possibility of a permanent or rotating
          display. DB was somewhat associated with the Academy from its
          beginnings in 1927 (as a prominent member of the arts community). The
          University of Hawaii, like most universities, houses collections for
          research purposes, but it is not likely that public display of DB
          memorabilia would be a priority. The Bishop Museum is not a
          contender here; its focus is not on the arts or on Hawaiiana but on
          the natural sciences. The Bishop Museum's website mentions DB
          once, in connection with Lei Day: a link to my website.

          ~~Cadia
        • keith2draw
          Good points everyone. I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn t find in
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            Good points everyone.

            I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most
            valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn't find
            in the least bit interesting. Personal letters, books once owned by
            DB, things given to relatives, personal snapshots of friends and
            family. This is the collection that I feel the Great Plains Museum
            would protect and save for future researchers.

            If I owned original artwork of the Hawaiian Islands, drawings or
            paintings, I would probably will those to a Honolulu museum. I could
            see tourists wanting to see something like that. But I don't own any
            of his artwork, so its a moot point for me.

            As for his books, advertising mass-mailings, greeting cards and
            pottery...heck there's enough of that out there to spread around to
            everyone. There's so much of it, in fact, that I don't really care
            who gets it.

            Keith
          • missndn@aol.com
            Re the trust: Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of years ago that featured his work. I don t remember the name of the
            Message 5 of 12 , Oct 19, 2003
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              Re the trust:

              Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of
              years ago that featured his work. I don't remember the name of the museum at
              the moment. I know that seems out of his elements, but perhaps it would be
              worth considering.
              Alita


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            • Cadia Los
              Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities under discussion. ~~C~~
              Message 6 of 12 , Oct 19, 2003
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                Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities
                under discussion.

                ~~C~~
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