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  • kenneth klein
    I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one
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      I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections? If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials. If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.

      I am willing to be convinced, though. In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.

      --Ken Klein

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      From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...>
      Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am
      Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB

      > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.
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      > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
      > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
      > has so much of it already.
      >
      > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
      > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
      > Blanding. Some...but not alot.
      >
      > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
      > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
      > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
      > this group. We should try and include them as well.
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      > Keith
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    • mauibandb@aol.com
      that s thinking out of the box. Maui tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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        that's thinking out of the box.


        Maui tom


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      • Michael Pfeffer
        Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh
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          Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week. Great progress though. Aloha, mike

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          From: kenneth klein
          Date: 10/15/03 8:09 am
          To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com
          Subj: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB






          I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections? If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials. If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.

          I am willing to be convinced, though. In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.

          --Ken Klein

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          From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...>
          Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am
          Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB

          > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.
          >
          > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
          > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
          > has so much of it already.
          >
          > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
          > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
          > Blanding. Some...but not alot.
          >
          > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
          > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
          > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
          > this group. We should try and include them as well.
          >
          > Keith
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        • tjmarkle@earthlink.net
          ... From: Michael Pfeffer Sent: Oct 15, 2003 12:55 PM To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re:
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            Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th.  More details later.  I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week.  Great progress though.  Aloha, mike<BR>
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            Date:  10/15/03 8:09 am<BR>
            To:  aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com<BR>
            Subj:  Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB<BR>
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            Congrats to you and your wife on the new child. Now we are getting some ideas out. I do like the virtual Museum idea. At least that would allow for a complete documented pictoral collection, even if the owner did not want to let it go at that time. My issues are not with Oklahoma itself. It is just that Oklahoma isn't a place where people travel to for the most part, thus, isolating the collection to the eyes of a few people and I don't like that. I think Hawaii is a great place to house the collection or at least part of of it. Of course I would want to see my collection be appraised at a high value. I think an ebay auction is somewhat artificial however. On the antique road show, the appraisers are right there with a wealth of knowledge and history and collaboration with other appraisors on a particular item. It is very professional as opposed to what I see on ebay. You are correct however in saying that is worth what a person will pay for it. When there are twenty of the same items and one goes for $150 and the next one goes for $50, then I start questioning values. Thats why I was thinking of an outside independent appraiser. We do have some good dialogue and I appreciate all the input. tj
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            I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials.  Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections?  If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials.  If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.  <BR>
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            I am willing to be convinced, though.  In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.  <BR>
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            From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...><BR>
            Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am<BR>
            Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB<BR>
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            > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.<BR>
            > <BR>
            > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not <BR>
            > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum <BR>
            > has so much of it already.<BR>
            > <BR>
            > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto <BR>
            > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in <BR>
            > Blanding. Some...but not alot.<BR>
            > <BR>
            > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we <BR>
            > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major <BR>
            > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of <BR>
            > this group. We should try and include them as well.<BR>
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          • Cadia Los
            TJ, I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double the total for
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              TJ,

              I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each
              item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double
              the total for insurance purposes.

              Over time, you can adjust the amount upward by 5% or 10% a year to
              keep pace with both inflation and posssibly increased collector
              interest. Insurance companies don't care about most collectibles;
              unless you have an item valued over $500 or $1000, they just lump
              everything into "household goods." Years ago, when I had renter's
              insurance, 3 different companies just said, "Tell us how much you
              think it would cost to replace everything you own; no itemization
              needed." The only separate rider was for a large painting by Howard
              Chandler Christy.

              Valuing collectibles of any kind is subjective at best. Original
              artwork is valued differently than books, which are valued
              differently than ephemera or dishes or whatever. If there is a track
              record of sales -- direct or via auction -- then a book value can be
              established. But for one-of-a-kind items, or for those with a
              limited audience, the value is essentially whatever someone wants to
              pay and the seller is willing to accept.

              In listening to appraisers on the Antiques Roadshow, I've noticed
              that a thematic collection, especially one with documented
              provenance, often is valued higher than if the parts were found
              scattered. Objects by themselves may have modest value;
              the "collection" of these objects is what gives them meaning and
              value.

              On a good day, I can buy a copy of almost any DB book for under $20.
              (The exceptions are "In An Old Hawaiian Garden" and the books that
              precede "Vagabond's House.") Condition, edition and provenance are
              important.

              A couple of years ago, I paid $50 at a show for a decent copy
              of "Flowers of the Rainbow." The tag price was $85; the dealer
              wanted a sale, saw that I was spending time with that book and didn't
              hesitate to drop the price. I was happy, he was happy. Now I see
              people offering a copy in lousy condition for $150 and up.
              Optimists, all!

              Now, if I were to find a copy of "Flowers of the Rainbow" hand-
              inscribed by DB to his mother, with date and place ... poor as I am,
              money would be no object.

              Auctions present a special case. Hawaiiana sells, as almost any
              dealer will tell you. Put 2 or more bidders together and you get a
              bidding frenzy. Is the object worth what the top bidder paid?
              Probably not. The underbidders just want to make sure he pays a
              whole lot more than he thought he would.

              As for where a collection should be held, I think it's more important
              to document what items exist, where, and what their estimated value
              is based on whatever track record is available. Obviously, some DB-
              related items already appear in value guides, including books and
              Vernon Kilns dishes.

              The Museum of the Great Plains probably has the largest concentrated
              collection of memorabilia; collectively we as a group probably have a
              great deal more. I like the idea of the Honolulu Academy of the Arts
              being a repository, with the possibility of a permanent or rotating
              display. DB was somewhat associated with the Academy from its
              beginnings in 1927 (as a prominent member of the arts community). The
              University of Hawaii, like most universities, houses collections for
              research purposes, but it is not likely that public display of DB
              memorabilia would be a priority. The Bishop Museum is not a
              contender here; its focus is not on the arts or on Hawaiiana but on
              the natural sciences. The Bishop Museum's website mentions DB
              once, in connection with Lei Day: a link to my website.

              ~~Cadia
            • keith2draw
              Good points everyone. I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn t find in
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                Good points everyone.

                I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most
                valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn't find
                in the least bit interesting. Personal letters, books once owned by
                DB, things given to relatives, personal snapshots of friends and
                family. This is the collection that I feel the Great Plains Museum
                would protect and save for future researchers.

                If I owned original artwork of the Hawaiian Islands, drawings or
                paintings, I would probably will those to a Honolulu museum. I could
                see tourists wanting to see something like that. But I don't own any
                of his artwork, so its a moot point for me.

                As for his books, advertising mass-mailings, greeting cards and
                pottery...heck there's enough of that out there to spread around to
                everyone. There's so much of it, in fact, that I don't really care
                who gets it.

                Keith
              • missndn@aol.com
                Re the trust: Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of years ago that featured his work. I don t remember the name of the
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                  Re the trust:

                  Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of
                  years ago that featured his work. I don't remember the name of the museum at
                  the moment. I know that seems out of his elements, but perhaps it would be
                  worth considering.
                  Alita


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                • Cadia Los
                  Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities under discussion. ~~C~~
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                    Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities
                    under discussion.

                    ~~C~~
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