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  • Bev Leinbach
    Aloha all, I have told my family to give all my DB collection to the Museum of the Great Pains, as they have taken the greatest interest in DB. Tom, I too
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      Aloha all,

      I have told my family to give all my DB collection to the Museum of the
      Great Pains, as they have taken the greatest interest in DB. Tom, I too would
      love to see it in Hawaii, but have found little help or interest there. The
      Bishop Museum has never been of help and the Maui Museum has always tried to
      help, but is too small to do any thing.

      I think Maui Tom was right in suggesting our group is probable the best
      judge of the value of your collection. And that you, Keith, Maui Tom and Curt
      Blanding have the best knowledge, except for Cadia of anyone else.

      Anyone else has an opinion?

      Putnam, please e-mail me.

      Bev.


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    • mauibandb@aol.com
      I don t have knowledge of value. The traders Keith and Markle, Cadia, and Curt. I am just a fan. aloha maui tom [Non-text portions of this message have been
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        I don't have knowledge of value. The traders Keith and Markle, Cadia, and
        Curt. I am just a fan.

        aloha
        maui tom


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      • keith2draw
        tj, Everyone has made excellent suggestions, and I have to agree that The Great Plains Museum might be your best bet. I ve looked at my notes, and believe it
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          tj,

          Everyone has made excellent suggestions, and I have to agree that The
          Great Plains Museum might be your best bet. I've looked at my notes,
          and believe it or not, Blanding spent twice as long living in
          Oklahoma than he did ever living in Hawaii...and that includes all
          his visits and short stays on the Islands. Edythe willed her and
          Don's things to the Great Plains Museum (not the Bishop Museum) and
          so will I. You're showing a little of your West-coast prejudice
          against the midwest.

          I feel I would be a good judge as to the worth of Blanding books and
          ephemera, as I've sold many an item on ebay, and so would you...but
          as an impartial judge, why not contact Mark Blackburn. He's the
          expert on Hawaiiana and has even bought some Blanding items from me
          for his gallery.

          Keith
        • keith2draw
          Just a few more thoughts on the subject. It would be nice if all of Don s stuff stayed in one place, and not scattered about between a number of museums. The
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            Just a few more thoughts on the subject.

            It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
            scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
            has so much of it already.

            I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
            Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
            Blanding. Some...but not alot.

            Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
            can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
            collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
            this group. We should try and include them as well.

            Keith
          • kenneth klein
            I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one
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              I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections? If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials. If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.

              I am willing to be convinced, though. In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.

              --Ken Klein

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              From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...>
              Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am
              Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB

              > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.
              >
              > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
              > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
              > has so much of it already.
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              > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
              > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
              > Blanding. Some...but not alot.
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              > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
              > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
              > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
              > this group. We should try and include them as well.
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              > Keith
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            • mauibandb@aol.com
              that s thinking out of the box. Maui tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                that's thinking out of the box.


                Maui tom


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              • Michael Pfeffer
                Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh
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                  Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th. More details later. I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week. Great progress though. Aloha, mike

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                  From: kenneth klein
                  Date: 10/15/03 8:09 am
                  To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com
                  Subj: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB






                  I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials. Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections? If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials. If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.

                  I am willing to be convinced, though. In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.

                  --Ken Klein

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                  From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...>
                  Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am
                  Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB

                  > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.
                  >
                  > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not
                  > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum
                  > has so much of it already.
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                  > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto
                  > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in
                  > Blanding. Some...but not alot.
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                  > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we
                  > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major
                  > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of
                  > this group. We should try and include them as well.
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                  > Keith
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                • tjmarkle@earthlink.net
                  ... From: Michael Pfeffer Sent: Oct 15, 2003 12:55 PM To: aloha-donblanding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [aloha-donblanding] Re:
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                    Hello all, out of the loop because imy wife and I just had our first child on the 13th.  More details later.  I like the multi-space idea and will meet wiTh the new director of the Honolulu Academy of Arts next week.  Great progress though.  Aloha, mike<BR>
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                    Congrats to you and your wife on the new child. Now we are getting some ideas out. I do like the virtual Museum idea. At least that would allow for a complete documented pictoral collection, even if the owner did not want to let it go at that time. My issues are not with Oklahoma itself. It is just that Oklahoma isn't a place where people travel to for the most part, thus, isolating the collection to the eyes of a few people and I don't like that. I think Hawaii is a great place to house the collection or at least part of of it. Of course I would want to see my collection be appraised at a high value. I think an ebay auction is somewhat artificial however. On the antique road show, the appraisers are right there with a wealth of knowledge and history and collaboration with other appraisors on a particular item. It is very professional as opposed to what I see on ebay. You are correct however in saying that is worth what a person will pay for it. When there are twenty of the same items and one goes for $150 and the next one goes for $50, then I start questioning values. Thats why I was thinking of an outside independent appraiser. We do have some good dialogue and I appreciate all the input. tj
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                    I am not actually convinced that it would be best to have a single site for Blanding materials.  Would a better appreciation of his work be achieved by one collection, which may draw in a limited selection of people to view it, or in a few or several collections, in which Blanding's place in the art and poetry circles of Hawaii, or California, or Florida, or Oklahoma could be displayed and documented within the context of other related collections?  If I were visiting Hawaii and became interested in what was going on culturally in the 1920s or 1930s, I would expect to see in the Bishop Museum or another museum or library there a range of materials.  If I were then told that, in order to see Don Blanding's sketches or manuscripts, I was just going to have to find my way to Oklahoma, I wonder how likely it would be that I would go.  <BR>
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                    I am willing to be convinced, though.  In either case, it would still be possible to offer a virtual museum on the internet, bringing together the full collection of Blanding materials, regardless of where each might be held.  <BR>
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                    From: keith2draw <keith2draw@...><BR>
                    Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:41 am<BR>
                    Subject: [aloha-donblanding] Re: Living trust & DB<BR>
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                    > Just a few more thoughts on the subject.<BR>
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                    > It would be nice if all of Don's stuff stayed in one place, and not <BR>
                    > scattered about between a number of museums. The Great Plains Museum <BR>
                    > has so much of it already.<BR>
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                    > I've talked to a few folks at The Bishop Museum, including Desoto <BR>
                    > Brown, and there just doesn't seem to be that much interest in <BR>
                    > Blanding. Some...but not alot.<BR>
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                    > Maybe we should get a 'group inventory' of Blanding items so that we <BR>
                    > can get a good feel for whats out there. There are a few major <BR>
                    > collectors out there too, like Tony Capelli, who are not members of <BR>
                    > this group. We should try and include them as well.<BR>
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                  • Cadia Los
                    TJ, I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double the total for
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                      TJ,

                      I doubt that a formal appraisal is necessary. I would just list each
                      item, what you paid, when and where you acquired it .. then double
                      the total for insurance purposes.

                      Over time, you can adjust the amount upward by 5% or 10% a year to
                      keep pace with both inflation and posssibly increased collector
                      interest. Insurance companies don't care about most collectibles;
                      unless you have an item valued over $500 or $1000, they just lump
                      everything into "household goods." Years ago, when I had renter's
                      insurance, 3 different companies just said, "Tell us how much you
                      think it would cost to replace everything you own; no itemization
                      needed." The only separate rider was for a large painting by Howard
                      Chandler Christy.

                      Valuing collectibles of any kind is subjective at best. Original
                      artwork is valued differently than books, which are valued
                      differently than ephemera or dishes or whatever. If there is a track
                      record of sales -- direct or via auction -- then a book value can be
                      established. But for one-of-a-kind items, or for those with a
                      limited audience, the value is essentially whatever someone wants to
                      pay and the seller is willing to accept.

                      In listening to appraisers on the Antiques Roadshow, I've noticed
                      that a thematic collection, especially one with documented
                      provenance, often is valued higher than if the parts were found
                      scattered. Objects by themselves may have modest value;
                      the "collection" of these objects is what gives them meaning and
                      value.

                      On a good day, I can buy a copy of almost any DB book for under $20.
                      (The exceptions are "In An Old Hawaiian Garden" and the books that
                      precede "Vagabond's House.") Condition, edition and provenance are
                      important.

                      A couple of years ago, I paid $50 at a show for a decent copy
                      of "Flowers of the Rainbow." The tag price was $85; the dealer
                      wanted a sale, saw that I was spending time with that book and didn't
                      hesitate to drop the price. I was happy, he was happy. Now I see
                      people offering a copy in lousy condition for $150 and up.
                      Optimists, all!

                      Now, if I were to find a copy of "Flowers of the Rainbow" hand-
                      inscribed by DB to his mother, with date and place ... poor as I am,
                      money would be no object.

                      Auctions present a special case. Hawaiiana sells, as almost any
                      dealer will tell you. Put 2 or more bidders together and you get a
                      bidding frenzy. Is the object worth what the top bidder paid?
                      Probably not. The underbidders just want to make sure he pays a
                      whole lot more than he thought he would.

                      As for where a collection should be held, I think it's more important
                      to document what items exist, where, and what their estimated value
                      is based on whatever track record is available. Obviously, some DB-
                      related items already appear in value guides, including books and
                      Vernon Kilns dishes.

                      The Museum of the Great Plains probably has the largest concentrated
                      collection of memorabilia; collectively we as a group probably have a
                      great deal more. I like the idea of the Honolulu Academy of the Arts
                      being a repository, with the possibility of a permanent or rotating
                      display. DB was somewhat associated with the Academy from its
                      beginnings in 1927 (as a prominent member of the arts community). The
                      University of Hawaii, like most universities, houses collections for
                      research purposes, but it is not likely that public display of DB
                      memorabilia would be a priority. The Bishop Museum is not a
                      contender here; its focus is not on the arts or on Hawaiiana but on
                      the natural sciences. The Bishop Museum's website mentions DB
                      once, in connection with Lei Day: a link to my website.

                      ~~Cadia
                    • keith2draw
                      Good points everyone. I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn t find in
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                        Good points everyone.

                        I guess the items in my collection that I consider to be the most
                        valuable are things that the average tourist to Hawaii wouldn't find
                        in the least bit interesting. Personal letters, books once owned by
                        DB, things given to relatives, personal snapshots of friends and
                        family. This is the collection that I feel the Great Plains Museum
                        would protect and save for future researchers.

                        If I owned original artwork of the Hawaiian Islands, drawings or
                        paintings, I would probably will those to a Honolulu museum. I could
                        see tourists wanting to see something like that. But I don't own any
                        of his artwork, so its a moot point for me.

                        As for his books, advertising mass-mailings, greeting cards and
                        pottery...heck there's enough of that out there to spread around to
                        everyone. There's so much of it, in fact, that I don't really care
                        who gets it.

                        Keith
                      • missndn@aol.com
                        Re the trust: Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of years ago that featured his work. I don t remember the name of the
                        Message 11 of 12 , Oct 19, 2003
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                          Re the trust:

                          Don Blanding is from Oklahoma and there was a museum show there a couple of
                          years ago that featured his work. I don't remember the name of the museum at
                          the moment. I know that seems out of his elements, but perhaps it would be
                          worth considering.
                          Alita


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                        • Cadia Los
                          Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities under discussion. ~~C~~
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                            Yes, the Museum of the Great Plains in Lawton is one of the entities
                            under discussion.

                            ~~C~~
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