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  • Elena Vaccaro
    Very true Lin. Today is an example. In Catholicism it it All Saint s Day, in the Celtic world it is Samhain (pronounced Sowen). In the Celtic world, the day
    Message 1 of 5 , Nov 1, 2010
      Very true Lin. Today is an example. In Catholicism it it All Saint's Day, in the Celtic world it is Samhain (pronounced Sowen). In the Celtic world, the day begins at dusk so today is Samhain. It is also one of the most revered days of the Celtic world, when the veil between the worlds is the thinnest; when the Fairies and otherworldly creatures can cross the barrier to this world, or a mortal can cross to theirs much to their detriment.

      LIFE IS NOT MEASURED BY THE BREATH WE TAKE
      BUT BY THE MOMENTS THAT TAKE OUR BREATH AWAY

      >^,,^<

      Elena

      --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Lin Kerns <linkerns@...> wrote:

      From: Lin Kerns <linkerns@...>
      Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] Mythological Gods and Immortality
      To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 5:16 PM



      It's funny, though, how every single culture that has existed always has a creation myth, a flood myth, and an extinction myth (that would be humans). However, not every one of them contains a Messiah story, and especially with such detail as to His power and return. Most all of our holidays have pagan origins and of course, every single culture that the Catholic Church encountered simply incorporated enough elements of that culture into itself in order to gain access. No wonder our masses look more like First Baptist than Catholicism.

      Lin

      On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Allison Loukanis <allison.m.loukanis@...> wrote:
       

      Uh, huh. Well I do agree with the fact that many stories of the Bible are retellings of Sumerian stories.. the flood for example. I forget the Sumerian Noah's name. And it is true that many elements of Christianity are borrowed. ...But. Good thing we dont' seem to have very many fundamentalist Christians here... they'd be foaming at the mouth. Allison

      --- On Sat, 10/30/10, robert-blau@... <robert-blau@...> wrote:
      ...
      From: robert-blau@... <robert-blau@...>
      Subject: [allthingshistory] Mythological Gods and Immortality
      To: ancient_discoveries@yahoogroups.com, allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com, biblicalhistoryarchaeology@yahoogroups.com, john_s_david@...
      Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 2:39 AM

       
      Interesting . . .

      From:
      hank.roth@... Subject: Mythological Gods and Immortality
      ----------------------------------------------
      ----------------------------------------------
      Immortality would be a curse. An endless life is not possible but a
      longer life is and a longer life without youth would not be pleasant; it
      would not be endurable. It would be hellish and as cruel as gods and
      nature has always been, except it would last longer.

      Mythological stories were created to cope with the fear of nature and
      conquer the horrors of death. One of the GREATest myths influencing
      ideas about death was from ancient Egypt – about Osiris, appointed by
      RA to be the god (of agriculture) after the creation.*

      *These stories these stories similar in all cultures undoubtedly evolved
      from stone age people.

      Osiris's evil brother, Seth, fooled Osiris into getting into a coffin
      which he sealed shut and threw into the Nile. Osiris's wife, Isis
      searched from him and until finally finding his remains in a tree trunk
      which held up the roof of a place. She removed the coffin but Osiris was
      already dead. She cast a spell, "Ritual of Life", which she learned from
      her father and brought Osiris back to life so he could have a child with
      her. After he impregnated her he died again and she buried him in the
      desert. Months later Isis gave birth to the falcon-headed god Horus.

      Seth found the body of Osiris in the desert and enraged he tore the body
      of Osiris into 14 pieces and once again threw him into the Nile. Isis
      gathered the body parts again and wrapped them back together. The Gods
      were so impressed by her devotion, restored Osiris to life as the "god
      of the underworld". The cult of Osiris lasted thousands of years and was
      to spawn many more mystery cults.

      When writing was invented, these stories were written - first in
      Egyptian hieroglyphics, then in Persian cuneiform, and eventually in
      also in Hebrew.
      The story of the "Great Flood" in the Hebrew bible was taken from the
      chronicles of Gilgamesh in ancient Persia.
      Very little in the biblical accounts are original. The Hebrews took many
      of their stories from the Egyptians, the Persians, and the Canaanites.
      And Christians took elements of the story of Horus (Eygpt) and
      tranmogrified them into Jesus tales. Ancient myths evolved into stories
      from Mithra (Persia) and Krishna (India). That virgin births,
      resurrections of the dead, and gods came down to Earth in human form are
      from antiquity.

      The myth of Osiris has been important to other cultures as a death and
      reserrection mth, the notions of dying and rising saviour and the gift
      of immortality sought after by ordinary people and by kings and pharaohs
      and Osiris became a great symbol of eternal persistence of LIFE and
      "immortality."

      The revenge of his son, HORUS over Seth showed the triumph of good over
      evil. (quote from http://www.aldokkan.com/religion/osiris.htm)
      (quote)

      Similarities Between Osiris and Jesus Christ

      In the Ptolemaic Period, the cult of Serapis was reinvented based on the
      myth of Osiris Early Christians in Egypt identified Christ with Serapis,
      renamed their god to Jesus, and continued their worship as usual
              1. Osiris before death was titled "The Good
      Shepherd", and Jesus Christ is a shepherd to his followers
              2. Both Osiris and Jesus were killed by
      treachery from close relationships, Seth and Judas respectively
              3. Osiris and Jesus both suffered a painful
      death, with sacrifices that were gloomy, solemn, and mournful
              4. The symbol of Osiris was the Djed, which
      resembles a cruciform       form similar to the Cross of Jesus
              5. Both Osiris and Jesus Christ were briefly
      resurrected, Jesus resurrected after three days of his death and Osiris
      by the magical spell of Isis
              6. Osiris' and Jesus resurrections served to
      provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.
              7. After their respective deaths, both gods
      became kings in the afterlife, Osiris being the "Lord of the Underworld"
      and Jesus Christ the "King of Heaven"
              8. They both perform the final judgment of the
      dead, to decide who       should join their Kingdoms and be
      granted eternal life.
      *
      (end quote)
      *(For more on parallels vis-a-vis ancient myths re: Osiris and Jesus,
      see Parallels Between Osiris and Jesus -
      http://www.egyptorigins.org/osirisandjesus.htm)
      Hank Roth




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    • Allison Loukanis
      I have never seen a fairy and I have gotten out and looked. sigh.. even a dead person would be nice like maybe a nice relative.. I am out every Halloween
      Message 2 of 5 , Nov 1, 2010
        I have never seen a fairy and I have gotten out and looked. sigh.. even a dead person would be nice like maybe a nice relative.. I am out every Halloween usually. Nada zip nothing.. just dont' have the gift. Allison

        --- On Mon, 11/1/10, Elena Vaccaro <earthandice@...> wrote:

        From: Elena Vaccaro <earthandice@...>
        Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] Mythological Gods and Immortality
        To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, November 1, 2010, 2:53 PM

         
        Very true Lin. Today is an example. In Catholicism it it All Saint's Day, in the Celtic world it is Samhain (pronounced Sowen). In the Celtic world, the day begins at dusk so today is Samhain. It is also one of the most revered days of the Celtic world, when the veil between the worlds is the thinnest; when the Fairies and otherworldly creatures can cross the barrier to this world, or a mortal can cross to theirs much to their detriment.

        LIFE IS NOT MEASURED BY THE BREATH WE TAKE
        BUT BY THE MOMENTS THAT TAKE OUR BREATH AWAY

        >^,,^<

        Elena

        --- On Sun, 10/31/10, Lin Kerns <linkerns@...> wrote:

        From: Lin Kerns <linkerns@...>
        Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] Mythological Gods and Immortality
        To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 5:16 PM



        It's funny, though, how every single culture that has existed always has a creation myth, a flood myth, and an extinction myth (that would be humans). However, not every one of them contains a Messiah story, and especially with such detail as to His power and return. Most all of our holidays have pagan origins and of course, every single culture that the Catholic Church encountered simply incorporated enough elements of that culture into itself in order to gain access. No wonder our masses look more like First Baptist than Catholicism.

        Lin

        On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Allison Loukanis <allison.m.loukanis@...> wrote:
         
        Uh, huh. Well I do agree with the fact that many stories of the Bible are retellings of Sumerian stories.. the flood for example. I forget the Sumerian Noah's name. And it is true that many elements of Christianity are borrowed. ...But. Good thing we dont' seem to have very many fundamentalist Christians here... they'd be foaming at the mouth. Allison

        --- On Sat, 10/30/10, robert-blau@... <robert-blau@...> wrote:
        ...
        From: robert-blau@... <robert-blau@...>
        Subject: [allthingshistory] Mythological Gods and Immortality
        To: ancient_discoveries@yahoogroups.com, allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com, biblicalhistoryarchaeology@yahoogroups.com, john_s_david@...
        Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 2:39 AM

         
        Interesting . . .

        From:
        hank.roth@... Subject: Mythological Gods and Immortality
        ----------------------------------------------
        ----------------------------------------------
        Immortality would be a curse. An endless life is not possible but a
        longer life is and a longer life without youth would not be pleasant; it
        would not be endurable. It would be hellish and as cruel as gods and
        nature has always been, except it would last longer.

        Mythological stories were created to cope with the fear of nature and
        conquer the horrors of death. One of the GREATest myths influencing
        ideas about death was from ancient Egypt – about Osiris, appointed by
        RA to be the god (of agriculture) after the creation.*

        *These stories these stories similar in all cultures undoubtedly evolved
        from stone age people.

        Osiris's evil brother, Seth, fooled Osiris into getting into a coffin
        which he sealed shut and threw into the Nile. Osiris's wife, Isis
        searched from him and until finally finding his remains in a tree trunk
        which held up the roof of a place. She removed the coffin but Osiris was
        already dead. She cast a spell, "Ritual of Life", which she learned from
        her father and brought Osiris back to life so he could have a child with
        her. After he impregnated her he died again and she buried him in the
        desert. Months later Isis gave birth to the falcon-headed god Horus.

        Seth found the body of Osiris in the desert and enraged he tore the body
        of Osiris into 14 pieces and once again threw him into the Nile. Isis
        gathered the body parts again and wrapped them back together. The Gods
        were so impressed by her devotion, restored Osiris to life as the "god
        of the underworld". The cult of Osiris lasted thousands of years and was
        to spawn many more mystery cults.

        When writing was invented, these stories were written - first in
        Egyptian hieroglyphics, then in Persian cuneiform, and eventually in
        also in Hebrew.
        The story of the "Great Flood" in the Hebrew bible was taken from the
        chronicles of Gilgamesh in ancient Persia.
        Very little in the biblical accounts are original. The Hebrews took many
        of their stories from the Egyptians, the Persians, and the Canaanites.
        And Christians took elements of the story of Horus (Eygpt) and
        tranmogrified them into Jesus tales. Ancient myths evolved into stories
        from Mithra (Persia) and Krishna (India). That virgin births,
        resurrections of the dead, and gods came down to Earth in human form are
        from antiquity.

        The myth of Osiris has been important to other cultures as a death and
        reserrection mth, the notions of dying and rising saviour and the gift
        of immortality sought after by ordinary people and by kings and pharaohs
        and Osiris became a great symbol of eternal persistence of LIFE and
        "immortality."

        The revenge of his son, HORUS over Seth showed the triumph of good over
        evil. (quote from http://www.aldokkan.com/religion/osiris.htm)
        (quote)

        Similarities Between Osiris and Jesus Christ

        In the Ptolemaic Period, the cult of Serapis was reinvented based on the
        myth of Osiris Early Christians in Egypt identified Christ with Serapis,
        renamed their god to Jesus, and continued their worship as usual
                1. Osiris before death was titled "The Good
        Shepherd", and Jesus Christ is a shepherd to his followers
                2. Both Osiris and Jesus were killed by
        treachery from close relationships, Seth and Judas respectively
                3. Osiris and Jesus both suffered a painful
        death, with sacrifices that were gloomy, solemn, and mournful
                4. The symbol of Osiris was the Djed, which
        resembles a cruciform       form similar to the Cross of Jesus
                5. Both Osiris and Jesus Christ were briefly
        resurrected, Jesus resurrected after three days of his death and Osiris
        by the magical spell of Isis
                6. Osiris' and Jesus resurrections served to
        provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.
                7. After their respective deaths, both gods
        became kings in the afterlife, Osiris being the "Lord of the Underworld"
        and Jesus Christ the "King of Heaven"
                8. They both perform the final judgment of the
        dead, to decide who       should join their Kingdoms and be
        granted eternal life.
        *
        (end quote)
        *(For more on parallels vis-a-vis ancient myths re: Osiris and Jesus,
        see Parallels Between Osiris and Jesus -
        http://www.egyptorigins.org/osirisandjesus.htm)
        Hank Roth




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