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  • Kim Noyes
    Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press Many survivors of
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      Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,

      By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press

      Many survivors of Saturday's plane crash in San Francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that a doctor says shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seat belts.

      So far, two people are unable to move their legs — doctors don't yet know if the damage is permanent — and several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spines so they can move, said Dr. Geoffrey Manley, neurosurgery chief at San Francisco General Hospital who is overseeing their care.

      Article Tab: In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
      In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
      AP

      Among the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae that compress the spinal cord, and ligaments so stretched and torn that they can't hold neck and back joints in place, Manley said in an interview Monday.

      That 305 of the 307 passengers and crew of the Asiana jet survived the crash is remarkable, and a testimony to improvements in airline safety in recent years. More than 180 people went to hospitals with injuries, but only a small number were critically injured.

      Still, Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.

      The injuries are somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe, said Dr. David Okonkwo of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who isn't involved with the survivors' care.

      Does that mean shoulder belts in airplanes would prevent such injuries? Okonkwo said that's simplistic considering how much more speed and force are involved in a plane crash. Shoulder belts might just transfer that force to the neck, he cautioned.

      "If you put in the shoulder belt, it might just move the injuries up further. Your head weighs a tremendous amount," agreed San Francisco's Manley. He hopes to study the issue, comparing survivors' injuries to where they sat.

      The airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts to airplanes would require major changes to seat design that would mean higher airfares and less comfort.

      Some business class seats have added a type of shoulder restraint, but those seats are more like beds and often don't face forward.

      Meanwhile, Okonkwo said assuming the "crash position" — leaning forward with the head as far down as possible and arms over it — can limit the spine jolting back and forth and offer some protection. It's not clear if any survivors of Saturday's crash had time to do so.

      AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz contributed to this report.

      Source: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/injuries-516136-crash-shoulder.html
    • Martin Baxter
      Kim, I figure that that s because the plane spun after impact, reportedly at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Can t see how you design a plane restraint to deal
      Message 2 of 5 , Jul 11, 2013
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        Kim, I figure that that's because the plane spun after impact, reportedly at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Can't see how you design a plane restraint to deal with rotational vector components. Maybe a seat...

         

        Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,

        By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press

        Many survivors of Saturday's plane crash in San Francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that a doctor says shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seat belts.

        So far, two people are unable to move their legs — doctors don't yet know if the damage is permanent — and several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spines so they can move, said Dr. Geoffrey Manley, neurosurgery chief at San Francisco General Hospital who is overseeing their care.

        Article Tab: In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
        In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
        AP

        Among the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae that compress the spinal cord, and ligaments so stretched and torn that they can't hold neck and back joints in place, Manley said in an interview Monday.

        That 305 of the 307 passengers and crew of the Asiana jet survived the crash is remarkable, and a testimony to improvements in airline safety in recent years. More than 180 people went to hospitals with injuries, but only a small number were critically injured.

        Still, Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.

        The injuries are somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe, said Dr. David Okonkwo of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who isn't involved with the survivors' care.

        Does that mean shoulder belts in airplanes would prevent such injuries? Okonkwo said that's simplistic considering how much more speed and force are involved in a plane crash. Shoulder belts might just transfer that force to the neck, he cautioned.

        "If you put in the shoulder belt, it might just move the injuries up further. Your head weighs a tremendous amount," agreed San Francisco's Manley. He hopes to study the issue, comparing survivors' injuries to where they sat.

        The airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts to airplanes would require major changes to seat design that would mean higher airfares and less comfort.

        Some business class seats have added a type of shoulder restraint, but those seats are more like beds and often don't face forward.

        Meanwhile, Okonkwo said assuming the "crash position" — leaning forward with the head as far down as possible and arms over it — can limit the spine jolting back and forth and offer some protection. It's not clear if any survivors of Saturday's crash had time to do so.

        AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz contributed to this report.

        Source: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/injuries-516136-crash-shoulder.html
      • Kim Noyes
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          The first thing we do... is kill all the lawyers.


          On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxter7@...> wrote:
           

          Kim, I figure that that's because the plane spun after impact, reportedly at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Can't see how you design a plane restraint to deal with rotational vector components. Maybe a seat...

           

          Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,

          By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press

          Many survivors of Saturday's plane crash in San Francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that a doctor says shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seat belts.

          So far, two people are unable to move their legs — doctors don't yet know if the damage is permanent — and several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spines so they can move, said Dr. Geoffrey Manley, neurosurgery chief at San Francisco General Hospital who is overseeing their care.

          Article Tab: In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
          In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
          AP

          Among the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae that compress the spinal cord, and ligaments so stretched and torn that they can't hold neck and back joints in place, Manley said in an interview Monday.

          That 305 of the 307 passengers and crew of the Asiana jet survived the crash is remarkable, and a testimony to improvements in airline safety in recent years. More than 180 people went to hospitals with injuries, but only a small number were critically injured.

          Still, Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.

          The injuries are somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe, said Dr. David Okonkwo of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who isn't involved with the survivors' care.

          Does that mean shoulder belts in airplanes would prevent such injuries? Okonkwo said that's simplistic considering how much more speed and force are involved in a plane crash. Shoulder belts might just transfer that force to the neck, he cautioned.

          "If you put in the shoulder belt, it might just move the injuries up further. Your head weighs a tremendous amount," agreed San Francisco's Manley. He hopes to study the issue, comparing survivors' injuries to where they sat.

          The airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts to airplanes would require major changes to seat design that would mean higher airfares and less comfort.

          Some business class seats have added a type of shoulder restraint, but those seats are more like beds and often don't face forward.

          Meanwhile, Okonkwo said assuming the "crash position" — leaning forward with the head as far down as possible and arms over it — can limit the spine jolting back and forth and offer some protection. It's not clear if any survivors of Saturday's crash had time to do so.

          AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz contributed to this report.

          Source: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/injuries-516136-crash-shoulder.html




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        • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
          Shakespeare said that first. Allison ________________________________ From: Kim Noyes To: AllThingsHistory
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            Shakespeare said that first. Allison


            From: Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@...>
            To: AllThingsHistory <allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:16 PM
            Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] Unusual Pattern of Spine Injuries From Jet Crash

             
            The first thing we do... is kill all the lawyers.


            On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxter7@...> wrote:
             
            Kim, I figure that that's because the plane spun after impact, reportedly at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Can't see how you design a plane restraint to deal with rotational vector components. Maybe a seat...
             

            Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,

            By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press
            Many survivors of Saturday's plane crash in San Francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that a doctor says shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seat belts.
            So far, two people are unable to move their legs — doctors don't yet know if the damage is permanent — and several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spines so they can move, said Dr. Geoffrey Manley, neurosurgery chief at San Francisco General Hospital who is overseeing their care.
            Article Tab: In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
            In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
            AP
            Among the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae that compress the spinal cord, and ligaments so stretched and torn that they can't hold neck and back joints in place, Manley said in an interview Monday.
            That 305 of the 307 passengers and crew of the Asiana jet survived the crash is remarkable, and a testimony to improvements in airline safety in recent years. More than 180 people went to hospitals with injuries, but only a small number were critically injured.
            Still, Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.
            The injuries are somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe, said Dr. David Okonkwo of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who isn't involved with the survivors' care.
            Does that mean shoulder belts in airplanes would prevent such injuries? Okonkwo said that's simplistic considering how much more speed and force are involved in a plane crash. Shoulder belts might just transfer that force to the neck, he cautioned.
            "If you put in the shoulder belt, it might just move the injuries up further. Your head weighs a tremendous amount," agreed San Francisco's Manley. He hopes to study the issue, comparing survivors' injuries to where they sat.
            The airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts to airplanes would require major changes to seat design that would mean higher airfares and less comfort.
            Some business class seats have added a type of shoulder restraint, but those seats are more like beds and often don't face forward.
            Meanwhile, Okonkwo said assuming the "crash position" — leaning forward with the head as far down as possible and arms over it — can limit the spine jolting back and forth and offer some protection. It's not clear if any survivors of Saturday's crash had time to do so.
            AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz contributed to this report.
            Source: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/injuries-516136-crash-shoulder.html

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          • Kim Noyes
            I was making a Shakespeare quote! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
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              I was making a Shakespeare quote!


              On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Allison Maricelli-Loukanis <allison.ann@...> wrote:
               

              Shakespeare said that first. Allison


              From: Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@...>
              To: AllThingsHistory <allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:16 PM
              Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] Unusual Pattern of Spine Injuries From Jet Crash

               
              The first thing we do... is kill all the lawyers.


              On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxter7@...> wrote:
               
              Kim, I figure that that's because the plane spun after impact, reportedly at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Can't see how you design a plane restraint to deal with rotational vector components. Maybe a seat...
               

              Damage somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe,

              By LAURAN NEERGAARD / The Associated Press
              Many survivors of Saturday's plane crash in San Francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that a doctor says shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seat belts.
              So far, two people are unable to move their legs — doctors don't yet know if the damage is permanent — and several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spines so they can move, said Dr. Geoffrey Manley, neurosurgery chief at San Francisco General Hospital who is overseeing their care.
              Article Tab: In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
              In this image provided by the NTSB, investigators examine the wreckage at the scene of the Asiana Airline crash Sunday. The Asiana flight crashed upon landing Saturday at San Francisco International Airport, and two of the 307 passengers aboard were killed.
              AP
              Among the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae that compress the spinal cord, and ligaments so stretched and torn that they can't hold neck and back joints in place, Manley said in an interview Monday.
              That 305 of the 307 passengers and crew of the Asiana jet survived the crash is remarkable, and a testimony to improvements in airline safety in recent years. More than 180 people went to hospitals with injuries, but only a small number were critically injured.
              Still, Manley said even among those who suffered mild spine trauma, he is struck by a pattern that shows how their upper bodies were flung forward and then backward over the lap belts that kept them in their seats and undoubtedly saved their lives.
              The injuries are somewhat reminiscent of the days before shoulder belts in cars, although much more severe, said Dr. David Okonkwo of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, who isn't involved with the survivors' care.
              Does that mean shoulder belts in airplanes would prevent such injuries? Okonkwo said that's simplistic considering how much more speed and force are involved in a plane crash. Shoulder belts might just transfer that force to the neck, he cautioned.
              "If you put in the shoulder belt, it might just move the injuries up further. Your head weighs a tremendous amount," agreed San Francisco's Manley. He hopes to study the issue, comparing survivors' injuries to where they sat.
              The airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts to airplanes would require major changes to seat design that would mean higher airfares and less comfort.
              Some business class seats have added a type of shoulder restraint, but those seats are more like beds and often don't face forward.
              Meanwhile, Okonkwo said assuming the "crash position" — leaning forward with the head as far down as possible and arms over it — can limit the spine jolting back and forth and offer some protection. It's not clear if any survivors of Saturday's crash had time to do so.
              AP Airlines Writer Scott Mayerowitz contributed to this report.
              Source: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/injuries-516136-crash-shoulder.html



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