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  • Andrew Jackson
    Hello Group, Someone sent me something about the Rolling Stones. To avoid confusion, I noted: Oh, those Rolling Stones, not the Supreme Court under Chief
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 30, 2013
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      Hello Group,
       
      Someone sent me something about the Rolling Stones.  To avoid confusion, I noted:
      Oh, those Rolling Stones, not the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone (1941-1946).  A commentator once noted tha of all the singers who can't sing, Mick Jagger stands out as the very best. And if P B S decides to have a documentary on Freud, it would be appropriate to have 19th Nervous Breakdown as the themesong*.
       
      I hope I clarified any confusion about the two Rolling Stones.
       
      *a little leg pulling there
       
      Andrew
    • Elena Vaccaro
      I agree, Mick Jager cannot sing, but then he yells more than sing . Elena ... From: Andrew Jackson Subject: [allthingshistory]
      Message 2 of 18 , Feb 1, 2013
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        I agree, Mick Jager cannot sing, but then he yells more than 'sing'.

        Elena
        >^..^<


        --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:

        From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
        Subject: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion
        To: ccpga@yahoogroups.com, allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 9:19 PM



        Hello Group,
         
        Someone sent me something about the Rolling Stones.  To avoid confusion, I noted:
        Oh, those Rolling Stones, not the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone (1941-1946).  A commentator once noted tha of all the singers who can't sing, Mick Jagger stands out as the very best. And if P B S decides to have a documentary on Freud, it would be appropriate to have 19th Nervous Breakdown as the themesong*.
         
        I hope I clarified any confusion about the two Rolling Stones.
         
        *a little leg pulling there
         
        Andrew


      • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
        I love Mick Jagger. The Rolling Stones came to Houston in 1980 and I saw them at the Astrodome. It was fun and a good time in life. Allison
        Message 3 of 18 , Feb 1, 2013
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          I love Mick Jagger. The Rolling Stones came to Houston in 1980 and I saw them at the Astrodome. It was fun and a good time in life. Allison


          From: Elena Vaccaro <earthandice@...>
          To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:30 AM
          Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

           
          I agree, Mick Jager cannot sing, but then he yells more than 'sing'.

          Elena
          >^..^<


          --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:

          From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
          Subject: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion
          To: ccpga@yahoogroups.com, allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 9:19 PM



          Hello Group,
           
          Someone sent me something about the Rolling Stones.  To avoid confusion, I noted:
          Oh, those Rolling Stones, not the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone (1941-1946).  A commentator once noted tha of all the singers who can't sing, Mick Jagger stands out as the very best. And if P B S decides to have a documentary on Freud, it would be appropriate to have 19th Nervous Breakdown as the themesong*.
           
          I hope I clarified any confusion about the two Rolling Stones.
           
          *a little leg pulling there
           
          Andrew




        • Andrew Jackson
          Hello Group, Healthcare It seems a few people are confused as to my position and what I had done to try to prevent some unwise government moves. As far as
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 16, 2013
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            Hello Group,

            Healthcare

            It seems a few people are confused as to my position and what I had done to try to prevent some unwise government moves.  As far as socialized medicine, I  wrote my senators and congressman noting:
            no sense in voting for a 1,000 page bill they don't take the trouble to read;
            Dr. Kevorkian may be put in charge of healthcare for seniors and they wouldn't know it;
            we need to find the cause of unaffordable healthcare whcih wasn't the case when I was a kid;
            an important factor is merger of healthcare systems which tend toward monopoly, not enforcing the anti-trust laws;              and allowing cost of mergers to be passed on to patients rather than taken out of profits and dividends;
            allowing Big Pharma to charge all the traffic can bear which can involve exercise of monopoly power with patented                 drugs as well as patent abuse.

            I received no answer.

            A Ruined Economy

            I had long written to and noted at congressional forums that we have too many foreign imports, too much foreign steel* and pointed out to Benji** at a forum that our corporations moving factories south of the border*** creates unemployment and misery and they should not be rewarded by allowing them deductions for depreciation and slave wages and in time we should tell them that if they make it there, they have to sell it there and not here.

            When Billy proposed opening up trade with Red China, I noted:
            we have too many foreign imports and anyone wanting to ruin this country couldn't do a better job than to continue and       expand current trade policies;
            we have no business sending jobs and billions of dollars to a bolshevist power with interests inimical to our own;
            only a few countries correcttly see Red China as a regional menace- Taiwan, Japan,South Korea, and the Philippines-         and losing that perception is certainly not to our credit;

            Only Sen. Lugar wrote back saying we can teach them democracy through trade.  I wrote back noting cheap coolie labor will teach us how to lose our shirts to which there was no response.

            I later wrote my senators and congressman noting increased unemployment and vast balance of trade deficits and asked that Billy's successors be prodded to reverse our trade policies particularly trade with Red China with all deliberate speed.  No response.

            When trade with Ha Noi was proposed, I again wrote my congressman and senators noting that Ha Noi subjected a sub continent to bolshevism; it still remains at least a remote threat to Thailand; I do not have a POW-MIA flag or emblem as the bolsheviks no doubt took "corrective action"**** to prevent an escape and diplomatic embarassment; and asked whether we should reward them with our trade.  Sen. Luger wrote back asking me if I know the war is over.  There were no other responses.

            In more than a few instances I noted too much merchandise from Red China in some stores and asked the manager why his company is supporting those goddam bolsheviks.  Either no answer or corporate decision higher up. 

            I hope I clarified any confusion in this regard.


            *which the late Congressman Ray J. Madden also complained about.  But the government didn't listen to him with the end result being more unemployed steelworkers with Gary, IN having a lot of empty houses and empty lots.
            **the late Congressman Adam Benjamin
            ***at that time
            ****liquidation

            Andrew


          • Kim Noyes
            What confusion? On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Andrew Jackson ... -- Check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/californiadisasters/ Read my blog at
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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              What confusion?


              On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:
               

              Hello Group,

              Healthcare

              It seems a few people are confused as to my position and what I had done to try to prevent some unwise government moves.  As far as socialized medicine, I  wrote my senators and congressman noting:
              no sense in voting for a 1,000 page bill they don't take the trouble to read;
              Dr. Kevorkian may be put in charge of healthcare for seniors and they wouldn't know it;
              we need to find the cause of unaffordable healthcare whcih wasn't the case when I was a kid;
              an important factor is merger of healthcare systems which tend toward monopoly, not enforcing the anti-trust laws;              and allowing cost of mergers to be passed on to patients rather than taken out of profits and dividends;
              allowing Big Pharma to charge all the traffic can bear which can involve exercise of monopoly power with patented                 drugs as well as patent abuse.

              I received no answer.

              A Ruined Economy

              I had long written to and noted at congressional forums that we have too many foreign imports, too much foreign steel* and pointed out to Benji** at a forum that our corporations moving factories south of the border*** creates unemployment and misery and they should not be rewarded by allowing them deductions for depreciation and slave wages and in time we should tell them that if they make it there, they have to sell it there and not here.

              When Billy proposed opening up trade with Red China, I noted:
              we have too many foreign imports and anyone wanting to ruin this country couldn't do a better job than to continue and       expand current trade policies;
              we have no business sending jobs and billions of dollars to a bolshevist power with interests inimical to our own;
              only a few countries correcttly see Red China as a regional menace- Taiwan, Japan,South Korea, and the Philippines-         and losing that perception is certainly not to our credit;

              Only Sen. Lugar wrote back saying we can teach them democracy through trade.  I wrote back noting cheap coolie labor will teach us how to lose our shirts to which there was no response.

              I later wrote my senators and congressman noting increased unemployment and vast balance of trade deficits and asked that Billy's successors be prodded to reverse our trade policies particularly trade with Red China with all deliberate speed.  No response.

              When trade with Ha Noi was proposed, I again wrote my congressman and senators noting that Ha Noi subjected a sub continent to bolshevism; it still remains at least a remote threat to Thailand; I do not have a POW-MIA flag or emblem as the bolsheviks no doubt took "corrective action"**** to prevent an escape and diplomatic embarassment; and asked whether we should reward them with our trade.  Sen. Luger wrote back asking me if I know the war is over.  There were no other responses.

              In more than a few instances I noted too much merchandise from Red China in some stores and asked the manager why his company is supporting those goddam bolsheviks.  Either no answer or corporate decision higher up. 

              I hope I clarified any confusion in this regard.


              *which the late Congressman Ray J. Madden also complained about.  But the government didn't listen to him with the end result being more unemployed steelworkers with Gary, IN having a lot of empty houses and empty lots.
              **the late Congressman Adam Benjamin
              ***at that time
              ****liquidation

              Andrew





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            • Andrew Jackson
              It may have been this group or another one, but somebody was confused about my position on socialized medicine and the economy and that I didn t complain or do
              Message 6 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                It may have been this group or another one, but somebody was confused about my position on socialized medicine and the economy and that I didn't complain or do anything to alleviate these problems.  I wanted to prevent them at the outset and just wanted to set the record straight on all that.

                Andrew
              • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                Dear Andrew..you make good points. I would also say that health care cannot be reformed until there is tort reform, and the hospitals have some sort of
                Message 7 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                  Dear Andrew..you make good points. I would also say that health care cannot be reformed until there is tort reform, and the hospitals have some sort of accountability as to their odd and creative systems of billing. The doctor, nurse practitioners and physician's assistants have way too much malpractice insurance to pay thus passing the costs off to patients and I would suppose that anyone who has received a hospital bill is likely wondering just how much that MRI or bottle of aspirin really costs. With respect to Vietnam though and communists,etc...yeah. I think you are going to have to let that go. It is a whole different ball game now. Being a Communist/Socialist doesn't carry the same stigma it used to and what with the Mayor of NYC being a Communist and our Prez Obama being a socialist-thug-mafia sort, well...this just seems to be in style. You note he is sending a whole fleet of ships to the Philippines which is a good thing that I support. But no doubt he is hoping this will divert attention from all of his Bengazi/power grab/bad health care/socialist agendas.  Here is a post about the whistleblower Davies...http://dcclothesline.com/2013/11/15/discredited-benghazi-whistleblower-disappears/
                   For further episodes on the Twilight Zone that is our government stay tuned. Also be aware that Hillary Clinton is no stranger to folks dying or disappearing on her watch..remember the suicides of the Clinton era. I shudder to think what our lives will be like if she is elected. I wish she would be kidnapped by aliens and taken off to another planet to be their evil queen.  Allison


                  From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                  To: ****ccpga Bill Spence <ccpga@yahoogroups.com>; allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:28 PM
                  Subject: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                   
                  Hello Group,

                  Healthcare

                  It seems a few people are confused as to my position and what I had done to try to prevent some unwise government moves.  As far as socialized medicine, I  wrote my senators and congressman noting:
                  no sense in voting for a 1,000 page bill they don't take the trouble to read;
                  Dr. Kevorkian may be put in charge of healthcare for seniors and they wouldn't know it;
                  we need to find the cause of unaffordable healthcare whcih wasn't the case when I was a kid;
                  an important factor is merger of healthcare systems which tend toward monopoly, not enforcing the anti-trust laws;              and allowing cost of mergers to be passed on to patients rather than taken out of profits and dividends;
                  allowing Big Pharma to charge all the traffic can bear which can involve exercise of monopoly power with patented                 drugs as well as patent abuse.

                  I received no answer.

                  A Ruined Economy

                  I had long written to and noted at congressional forums that we have too many foreign imports, too much foreign steel* and pointed out to Benji** at a forum that our corporations moving factories south of the border*** creates unemployment and misery and they should not be rewarded by allowing them deductions for depreciation and slave wages and in time we should tell them that if they make it there, they have to sell it there and not here.

                  When Billy proposed opening up trade with Red China, I noted:
                  we have too many foreign imports and anyone wanting to ruin this country couldn't do a better job than to continue and       expand current trade policies;
                  we have no business sending jobs and billions of dollars to a bolshevist power with interests inimical to our own;
                  only a few countries correcttly see Red China as a regional menace- Taiwan, Japan,South Korea, and the Philippines-         and losing that perception is certainly not to our credit;

                  Only Sen. Lugar wrote back saying we can teach them democracy through trade.  I wrote back noting cheap coolie labor will teach us how to lose our shirts to which there was no response.

                  I later wrote my senators and congressman noting increased unemployment and vast balance of trade deficits and asked that Billy's successors be prodded to reverse our trade policies particularly trade with Red China with all deliberate speed.  No response.

                  When trade with Ha Noi was proposed, I again wrote my congressman and senators noting that Ha Noi subjected a sub continent to bolshevism; it still remains at least a remote threat to Thailand; I do not have a POW-MIA flag or emblem as the bolsheviks no doubt took "corrective action"**** to prevent an escape and diplomatic embarassment; and asked whether we should reward them with our trade.  Sen. Luger wrote back asking me if I know the war is over.  There were no other responses.

                  In more than a few instances I noted too much merchandise from Red China in some stores and asked the manager why his company is supporting those goddam bolsheviks.  Either no answer or corporate decision higher up. 

                  I hope I clarified any confusion in this regard.


                  *which the late Congressman Ray J. Madden also complained about.  But the government didn't listen to him with the end result being more unemployed steelworkers with Gary, IN having a lot of empty houses and empty lots.
                  **the late Congressman Adam Benjamin
                  ***at that time
                  ****liquidation

                  Andrew




                • Kim Noyes
                  Okay, must have been elsewhere... thanks for your consideration. On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Andrew Jackson
                  Message 8 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                    Okay, must have been elsewhere... thanks for your consideration.


                    On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:
                     

                    It may have been this group or another one, but somebody was confused about my position on socialized medicine and the economy and that I didn't complain or do anything to alleviate these problems.  I wanted to prevent them at the outset and just wanted to set the record straight on all that.

                    Andrew




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                  • Andrew Jackson
                    Hello Allison and Group, The point is that bolshevist countries are not our allies and we have no business sending them money and jobs*. As for tort reform,
                    Message 9 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                      Hello Allison and Group,

                      The point is that bolshevist countries are not our allies and we have no business sending them money and jobs*.  As for tort reform, what that often means is immunity from lawsuits and/or limitatins on damages so injured people either get nothing or less than they should recover.  Indiana's response to people getting jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS from blood transfusions was not to require testing but to grant immunity from lawsuits.  Big Pharma says a  vaccine like flu shots is safe and then sends lobbyists to congress and state legislatures asking for immunity from lawsuits or limitations on damages.

                      I hope I answered your questions.

                      *even our allies like Japan, South Korea, etc. tell us our trade policies, which they don't reciprocate**, are kind and generous, but behind our backs they say they are foolish.
                      **we have 10% tariffs on much of their stuff, they have 50 or 100% on our stuff.

                      Andrew
                    • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                      I can t really speak to the situation between the US and Communist countries except to say that here in America Communism is not perceived the same as it used
                      Message 10 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                        I can't really speak to the situation between the US and Communist countries except to say that here in America Communism is not perceived the same as it used to be. In the past, someone who said they were Socialists or Communists were shunned or their careers impaired. Not any more. I think maybe the perception has changed or something. There are several professors here in Milwaukee who have pix of Whatsisname..Chairman Mao? in their offices. 
                         As to tort reform I respectfully have to disagree with you Andrew. There could certainly be punitive damages for doctors that operate while drunk or high. But there should be some limitations against all the fake lawsuits against doctors. It is sheer stupidity what happens sometimes.For example, the physician that brought my daughter into the world was telling me that she stopped off to check on a patient per another doctor's request. All she did was make a quick room visit in the hospital and then signed the chart. And then because the other dr got sued, my physician got sued because her name was on the chart. Now is that right? That drives up the costs for all of us. Tort reform does not have to mean immunity from damages. IT might mean limitation on damages some of which are ridiculous. If a doctor does something wrong, throw him in jail and yank his license. Sometimes honest mistakes are made with devastating results for a patient.  Each case ought to be judged on its own merits. But lawyers just don't like that and gee...let's not annoy the lawyer's lobby. Sometimes I think Shakespeare had it right. sigh...Allison


                        From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                        To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:23 PM
                        Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                         
                        Hello Allison and Group,

                        The point is that bolshevist countries are not our allies and we have no business sending them money and jobs*.  As for tort reform, what that often means is immunity from lawsuits and/or limitatins on damages so injured people either get nothing or less than they should recover.  Indiana's response to people getting jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS from blood transfusions was not to require testing but to grant immunity from lawsuits.  Big Pharma says a  vaccine like flu shots is safe and then sends lobbyists to congress and state legislatures asking for immunity from lawsuits or limitations on damages.

                        I hope I answered your questions.

                        *even our allies like Japan, South Korea, etc. tell us our trade policies, which they don't reciprocate**, are kind and generous, but behind our backs they say they are foolish.
                        **we have 10% tariffs on much of their stuff, they have 50 or 100% on our stuff.

                        Andrew


                      • Kim Noyes
                        Anything Neo-Cons and Teabaggers don t like or understand is socialism and/or Communism . On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                        Message 11 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                          Anything Neo-Cons and Teabaggers don't like or understand is "socialism" and/or "Communism".


                          On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Allison Maricelli-Loukanis <allison.ann@...> wrote:
                           

                          I can't really speak to the situation between the US and Communist countries except to say that here in America Communism is not perceived the same as it used to be. In the past, someone who said they were Socialists or Communists were shunned or their careers impaired. Not any more. I think maybe the perception has changed or something. There are several professors here in Milwaukee who have pix of Whatsisname..Chairman Mao? in their offices. 
                           As to tort reform I respectfully have to disagree with you Andrew. There could certainly be punitive damages for doctors that operate while drunk or high. But there should be some limitations against all the fake lawsuits against doctors. It is sheer stupidity what happens sometimes.For example, the physician that brought my daughter into the world was telling me that she stopped off to check on a patient per another doctor's request. All she did was make a quick room visit in the hospital and then signed the chart. And then because the other dr got sued, my physician got sued because her name was on the chart. Now is that right? That drives up the costs for all of us. Tort reform does not have to mean immunity from damages. IT might mean limitation on damages some of which are ridiculous. If a doctor does something wrong, throw him in jail and yank his license. Sometimes honest mistakes are made with devastating results for a patient.  Each case ought to be judged on its own merits. But lawyers just don't like that and gee...let's not annoy the lawyer's lobby. Sometimes I think Shakespeare had it right. sigh...Allison


                          From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                          To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:23 PM
                          Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                           
                          Hello Allison and Group,

                          The point is that bolshevist countries are not our allies and we have no business sending them money and jobs*.  As for tort reform, what that often means is immunity from lawsuits and/or limitatins on damages so injured people either get nothing or less than they should recover.  Indiana's response to people getting jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS from blood transfusions was not to require testing but to grant immunity from lawsuits.  Big Pharma says a  vaccine like flu shots is safe and then sends lobbyists to congress and state legislatures asking for immunity from lawsuits or limitations on damages.

                          I hope I answered your questions.

                          *even our allies like Japan, South Korea, etc. tell us our trade policies, which they don't reciprocate**, are kind and generous, but behind our backs they say they are foolish.
                          **we have 10% tariffs on much of their stuff, they have 50 or 100% on our stuff.

                          Andrew





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                        • Andrew Jackson
                          Hello Allison and Group, There are cases of jury verdicts that are unreal, and they are fairly rare which is why they get attention. The trial judge can
                          Message 12 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                            Hello Allison and Group,

                            There are cases of jury verdicts that are unreal, and they are fairly rare which is why they get attention.  The trial judge can reduce vastly excessive verdicts as can an appellate court. But I have problems with immunity from suit* and limitations on damages as an appropriate remedy.  The AMA, healthcare providers, and insurance trust are interested in making money and lack adequate concern for people**.

                            *like in Indiana for blood transfusions when screening could have avoided jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS, but the medical industry went to the governor and legislature to cut costs and shaft injured patients.  They also got limiations on damages which would not compensate the most seriousy injured. I informed some legislators about that.
                            **before tests were run with chimpanzees injured in experimental collisions showing whiplash with strained and pulled neck muscles and ligiments, brainstem trauma, and blood in the cerebral spinal fluid, the insurance trust would hire experts to testify that aches and pains would only persist for a short time and that whiplash was nothing but malingering.  After headrests were mandated for cars to prevent or reduce whiplash, I found no indictments of these experts fo perjury or lost whiplash cases reopened because of fraud.

                            Andrew
                          • Kim Noyes
                            Actually, Andrew, you are conveniently omitting the FACT that there are many frivolous lawsuits all the time and the class action ones are some of the more
                            Message 13 of 18 , Nov 17, 2013
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                              Actually, Andrew, you are conveniently omitting the FACT that there are many frivolous lawsuits all the time and the class action ones are some of the more egregious and not only that but fears of litigation and the insurance and other restrictive policies in place to protect businesses and individual doctors and such from such litigation add tremendous costs to business.


                              On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:
                               

                              Hello Allison and Group,

                              There are cases of jury verdicts that are unreal, and they are fairly rare which is why they get attention.  The trial judge can reduce vastly excessive verdicts as can an appellate court. But I have problems with immunity from suit* and limitations on damages as an appropriate remedy.  The AMA, healthcare providers, and insurance trust are interested in making money and lack adequate concern for people**.

                              *like in Indiana for blood transfusions when screening could have avoided jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS, but the medical industry went to the governor and legislature to cut costs and shaft injured patients.  They also got limiations on damages which would not compensate the most seriousy injured. I informed some legislators about that.
                              **before tests were run with chimpanzees injured in experimental collisions showing whiplash with strained and pulled neck muscles and ligiments, brainstem trauma, and blood in the cerebral spinal fluid, the insurance trust would hire experts to testify that aches and pains would only persist for a short time and that whiplash was nothing but malingering.  After headrests were mandated for cars to prevent or reduce whiplash, I found no indictments of these experts fo perjury or lost whiplash cases reopened because of fraud.

                              Andrew




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                            • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                              gee Kim, really? so if a man says to me I am Communist, he isnt really. It is just my teabagger/neo con tendencies labeling him? Allison
                              Message 14 of 18 , Nov 18, 2013
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                                gee Kim, really? so if a man says to me I am Communist, he isnt' really. It is just my teabagger/neo con tendencies labeling him? Allison


                                From: Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@...>
                                To: AllThingsHistory <allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:18 PM
                                Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                                 
                                Anything Neo-Cons and Teabaggers don't like or understand is "socialism" and/or "Communism".


                                On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Allison Maricelli-Loukanis <allison.ann@...> wrote:
                                 
                                I can't really speak to the situation between the US and Communist countries except to say that here in America Communism is not perceived the same as it used to be. In the past, someone who said they were Socialists or Communists were shunned or their careers impaired. Not any more. I think maybe the perception has changed or something. There are several professors here in Milwaukee who have pix of Whatsisname..Chairman Mao? in their offices. 
                                 As to tort reform I respectfully have to disagree with you Andrew. There could certainly be punitive damages for doctors that operate while drunk or high. But there should be some limitations against all the fake lawsuits against doctors. It is sheer stupidity what happens sometimes.For example, the physician that brought my daughter into the world was telling me that she stopped off to check on a patient per another doctor's request. All she did was make a quick room visit in the hospital and then signed the chart. And then because the other dr got sued, my physician got sued because her name was on the chart. Now is that right? That drives up the costs for all of us. Tort reform does not have to mean immunity from damages. IT might mean limitation on damages some of which are ridiculous. If a doctor does something wrong, throw him in jail and yank his license. Sometimes honest mistakes are made with devastating results for a patient.  Each case ought to be judged on its own merits. But lawyers just don't like that and gee...let's not annoy the lawyer's lobby. Sometimes I think Shakespeare had it right. sigh...Allison


                                From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                                To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:23 PM
                                Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                                 
                                Hello Allison and Group,

                                The point is that bolshevist countries are not our allies and we have no business sending them money and jobs*.  As for tort reform, what that often means is immunity from lawsuits and/or limitatins on damages so injured people either get nothing or less than they should recover.  Indiana's response to people getting jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS from blood transfusions was not to require testing but to grant immunity from lawsuits.  Big Pharma says a  vaccine like flu shots is safe and then sends lobbyists to congress and state legislatures asking for immunity from lawsuits or limitations on damages.

                                I hope I answered your questions.

                                *even our allies like Japan, South Korea, etc. tell us our trade policies, which they don't reciprocate**, are kind and generous, but behind our backs they say they are foolish.
                                **we have 10% tariffs on much of their stuff, they have 50 or 100% on our stuff.

                                Andrew





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                              • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                                Well it is true that insurance companies are notorious for wanting to not pay their claims. I am struggling with one now on my late father s behalf. Can t
                                Message 15 of 18 , Nov 18, 2013
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                                  Well it is true that insurance companies are notorious for wanting to not pay their claims. I am struggling with one now on my late father's behalf. Can't argue with that. That's why things ought to be set up and handled by computer analysts or housewives. Leave lawyers and insurance adjusters out of it. lol..Allison


                                  From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                                  To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:53 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                                   
                                  Hello Allison and Group,

                                  There are cases of jury verdicts that are unreal, and they are fairly rare which is why they get attention.  The trial judge can reduce vastly excessive verdicts as can an appellate court. But I have problems with immunity from suit* and limitations on damages as an appropriate remedy.  The AMA, healthcare providers, and insurance trust are interested in making money and lack adequate concern for people**.

                                  *like in Indiana for blood transfusions when screening could have avoided jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS, but the medical industry went to the governor and legislature to cut costs and shaft injured patients.  They also got limiations on damages which would not compensate the most seriousy injured. I informed some legislators about that.
                                  **before tests were run with chimpanzees injured in experimental collisions showing whiplash with strained and pulled neck muscles and ligiments, brainstem trauma, and blood in the cerebral spinal fluid, the insurance trust would hire experts to testify that aches and pains would only persist for a short time and that whiplash was nothing but malingering.  After headrests were mandated for cars to prevent or reduce whiplash, I found no indictments of these experts fo perjury or lost whiplash cases reopened because of fraud.

                                  Andrew


                                • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                                  Exactly..Allison ________________________________ From: Kim Noyes To: AllThingsHistory Sent: Sunday,
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Nov 18, 2013
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                                    Exactly..Allison


                                    From: Kim Noyes <kimnoyes@...>
                                    To: AllThingsHistory <allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:29 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                                     
                                    Actually, Andrew, you are conveniently omitting the FACT that there are many frivolous lawsuits all the time and the class action ones are some of the more egregious and not only that but fears of litigation and the insurance and other restrictive policies in place to protect businesses and individual doctors and such from such litigation add tremendous costs to business.


                                    On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    Hello Allison and Group,

                                    There are cases of jury verdicts that are unreal, and they are fairly rare which is why they get attention.  The trial judge can reduce vastly excessive verdicts as can an appellate court. But I have problems with immunity from suit* and limitations on damages as an appropriate remedy.  The AMA, healthcare providers, and insurance trust are interested in making money and lack adequate concern for people**.

                                    *like in Indiana for blood transfusions when screening could have avoided jaundice, hepatitis, and later AIDS, but the medical industry went to the governor and legislature to cut costs and shaft injured patients.  They also got limiations on damages which would not compensate the most seriousy injured. I informed some legislators about that.
                                    **before tests were run with chimpanzees injured in experimental collisions showing whiplash with strained and pulled neck muscles and ligiments, brainstem trauma, and blood in the cerebral spinal fluid, the insurance trust would hire experts to testify that aches and pains would only persist for a short time and that whiplash was nothing but malingering.  After headrests were mandated for cars to prevent or reduce whiplash, I found no indictments of these experts fo perjury or lost whiplash cases reopened because of fraud.

                                    Andrew



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                                  • Andrew Jackson
                                    Hello Kim and Group, I am aware there are frivolous lawsuits. Some of them get knocked out early like dismissal for no cause of action. But we hear of other
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Nov 18, 2013
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                                      Hello Kim and Group,

                                      I am aware there are frivolous lawsuits.  Some of them get knocked out early like dismissal for no cause of action.  But we hear of other problems like defendants concealing evidence, calling things frivolous that aren't, and sanctions for bringing legitimate cases ahead of the state of science and trying to evolve the law*.  All too often the Insurance Trust wants to collect premiums but not make payments.  As indicated earlier, the Insurance Trust had experts testify that whiplash was malingering, but none of these experts as far as I could find went to jail for perjury and no case was reopened for fraud on the court.  There's more than one side to the story.

                                      *like suing the name brand manufacturer for not giving an adequate warning on a prescription drug even though a generic was taken.  I know someone who got sanctioned for bringing such a suit when some 15 years later the Supreme Court agreed in another case.  I am also aware of an executor suing for inadequate warning for acetaminophen for failing to warn of hepatic necrosis and renal failure. The judge threatened him with sanctions.  It took over a dozen years fo the FDA to mandate a stronger warning.

                                      Andrew
                                    • Allison Maricelli-Loukanis
                                      Well this is why lawyers have investigators. This is why they collect evidence. This is why they go to trial. That doesn t mean we shouldn t try to do
                                      Message 18 of 18 , Nov 18, 2013
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                                        Well this is why lawyers have investigators. This is why they collect evidence. This is why they go to trial. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do everything in the world to try to bring health care costs within means for most people within a Constitutional framework, not the crap that O bama is trying to pull. And tonight on the news apparently the White House is getting into the business letting some Union members not pay this Voodoo 65 dollar "tax" which is supposed to go directly into the insurance companies to offset any losses that may incur. So these Union members are getting paid for their support. When did the White House get into the business of brazenly selling their favors? What is happening to our country? It upsets me no end. Allison


                                        From: Andrew Jackson <drandrewdjackson@...>
                                        To: allthingshistory@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:43 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [allthingshistory] clarifying confusion

                                         
                                        Hello Kim and Group,

                                        I am aware there are frivolous lawsuits.  Some of them get knocked out early like dismissal for no cause of action.  But we hear of other problems like defendants concealing evidence, calling things frivolous that aren't, and sanctions for bringing legitimate cases ahead of the state of science and trying to evolve the law*.  All too often the Insurance Trust wants to collect premiums but not make payments.  As indicated earlier, the Insurance Trust had experts testify that whiplash was malingering, but none of these experts as far as I could find went to jail for perjury and no case was reopened for fraud on the court.  There's more than one side to the story.

                                        *like suing the name brand manufacturer for not giving an adequate warning on a prescription drug even though a generic was taken.  I know someone who got sanctioned for bringing such a suit when some 15 years later the Supreme Court agreed in another case.  I am also aware of an executor suing for inadequate warning for acetaminophen for failing to warn of hepatic necrosis and renal failure. The judge threatened him with sanctions.  It took over a dozen years fo the FDA to mandate a stronger warning.

                                        Andrew


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