Re: [albanach] hey my hunt, any help or info would be really helpful
- At 5:43 AM +0000 5/29/06, Fearghus wrote:
>hey, i try to get info on highland dess. i not sure what i think i amHave you checked Eogan's reviewed link page, at
>looking in the worng place or worng something. this what i have and i
>hoping i can find more over the next few days.
<http://www.albanach.org/review.html>? It reviews many web pages with
info about historical Scottish clothing. (Unfortunately, most leave
something to be desired...)
>This is a fine site that quotes lines from the poems of Robert
>here is the links info i found so far
Henryson that mention clothing. However, all or nearly all of
Henryson's clothing references will be to Lowland clothing, so it
won't help much with Highland clothing.
cites some evidence and references, but some of its interpretation
leaves a bit to be desired. It is best when quoting evidence (and not
speculating too far away from that evidence).
>http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/scotmen.shtmlThese are from my web site. The place to start for all my clothing
The article "Scottish Men's Clothing"
<http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/scotmen.shtml > is
primarily an overview of the question, rather than an answer --
because the question isn't quite so simple as many assume. However,
it does broadly outline the general situation (in order to help
clarify where one should be looking for answers). The information it
contains is, to the best of my knowledge, still accurate.
The Historical Scottish Clothing Project
<http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/project.shtml> aims to
collect all evidence to Scottish clothing through 1700 AD. It is
still in the early stages, so it as yet only includes
references/quotations of a small number of historical descriptions
and depictions of Scottish clothing. However, what it does include is
reliable -- the sources cited do include what they are said to
include. However, this is raw evidence, and needs to be interpreted
in context and in light of other evidence (not all of which is
included in the project yet). The page
<http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/refs/> is the index of
historical evidence, while
<http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/books/> is the index of
publications where such evidence is quoted, etc. (so it's a useful
bibliography for further research).
actually cites some evidence and references, but like the
ReconstructingHistory.com page, some of its interpretation leaves a
bit to be desired. It is best when quoting evidence (and not
speculating too far away from that evidence).
the actual evidence it cites and quotes. However, some of its
interpretation is more solid than some of its other interpretations.
(Mind you, it doesn't do all that much interpreting -- mostly it lets
the evidence speak for itself.)
the 16th century is suspect from the start -- especially if they
don't talk about Welsh, Cornish, or Breton clothing and/or discuss
"Scottish" clothing as if Scotland had a single, uniform culture.
(This article does both.) If they aren't explicitly clear about the
correct meaning and usage of "Celtic", how can we trust them to
correctly interpret anything else? (Likewise, if they don't
explicitly recognize that not all Scots were Gaels, how can we trust
them to correctly interpret Scottish evidence?) Note that just
putting "Celts" and "Celtic" into quotes isn't enough to get an
author off the hook...
This page lives up to that early alarm bell -- I find the
interpretation on this page to typically unreliable. Some of what is
says is okay (mainly when it is just regurgitating McClintock), some
of it is very muddled, and you can't tell which bits are which from
the page itself.
In general, pages about Scottish clothing that cite and discuss
specific evidence, and whose conclusions are firmly grounded in
relevant evidence, are what you're looking for. Unfortunately, even
most pages that do cite evidence tend to draw some conclusions based
on assumptions not actually supported by the evidence, so great
caution must always be used.
One of the main problems is not enough people are familiar enough not
only with enough relevant clothing evidence, but also with the
relevant cultural and historical context to allow them to
consistently reliably interpret the evidence they do cite. My
Historical Scottish Clothing Project was started in order to remedy
the problem of people not being familiar with enough of the relevant
clothing evidence -- I'm not sure what to do about people not being
familiar enough with the cultural and historical contexts to
accurately interpret that evidence...
PS Eogan, feel free to quote any of the above for your reviewed links page!
Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@...
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