RE: [albanach] Re: Grainne's father & grandfather - have to correct myself
- Nope, I'm not at Pennsic, but I'm not about to jump down anyone's throat
for discussing Irish naming practices, either. ;-) Certainly on topic
enough for my book!
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If I find better info for Grainne I will post it. This thread might
get kicked off the list though since it's not technically a
discussion of anything Scottish - but, if the moderator is at
Pennsic, maybe we can run amok for a couple of days.
Toujours a vos ordres,
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- Hi, I'm new here. I just got back from my first Pennsic and I'm so
excited. Well, I need to work on a persona. My family was from
Glasgow so I think I'll stick to that area. Any suggestions?
- Dear Victoria,
Welcome to the list! My persona, Margaret Hepburn, resides on a farm
in the hills outside of Ardrossan, which is SW of Glasgow. So, a lot
of the research I have done centers around that area & Ayrshire in
general. Are you interested in a particular era? I am rather late,
1570's, but would be happy to point you in many directions, as would
many on the list...
Glasgow was much smaller than Edinburgh throughout the SCA period
and because the Clyde was not dredged enough for shipping was not
really a port town of any moment until the 18th century. This part
of Scotland was inhabited by various tribes early on and you will
see mention of Strathclyde 'Celts' and the tribe of the Damnonii.
There are many archeological sites - beginning mostly with neolithic
down through Late Bronze Age burials. There were six inhabited sites
in this area that the Romans wrote of (either settlements or forts
or both). Romans garrisoned the area around 80 C.E., so depending on
how early you want your persona to be, you can start at
Roman 'squatter' (grins), they did intermarry with the tribes....
Romans troops abandoned the Antonine Wall in this area in 163 C.E.
What follows is a sort of mini Dark Ages for this area - it was
still settled, there were still tribes & settlements & forts, but it
was a rough outpost, having been abandoned by official Romans.
Glasgow (which means 'green hollow' or glas cau as recorded in land
given by the then King of Stratchclyde, Rydderch Hael, to form the
original monastery honoring St. Kentigern - this is the beginning of
this area being known as Glasgow, 6/7th century) does get a
bishopric of sorts in the 6th/7th century (see land donation just
before by Strathclyde king), so it was largely Christian by then.
True record keeping begins again with the medieval see of Glasgow
between 1124 and 1153. A cathedral gets built... So, between the
12th century and the 16th century, you get a cathedral, a
university, a modest monastic community (Blackfriars and Greyfriars)-
a bishop builds a castle in the 13th century, etc. etc. Very few
medieval to later period buildings remain in Glasgow, unfortunately
due to late Georgians, Victorians & Edwardians who viciously "tidied
up" putting in LOTS of row housing etc.
Anyway, much more & I'll bore you to death. Just giving you a
general idea of what you can choose from persona-wise. Name wise &
family wise in this area there are Cunninghams, Montgomeries,
Maxwells, Hamiltons, Eglintons, Stewarts, Knoxes (Knoxen?),
Kilpatricks, Stirlings, Douglases & Lockharts (and many others,
these are some prominent families). Many of these families will
start as Norman 'carpetbaggers' in the late 11th early 12th century
sent to 'civilise' the northern frontier, but some of the families
will have earlier native ties. Just as in Edinburgh, wealthy
families from here will also be sending their sons to France & other
countries on the continent, so there will be ties to & imports from
Hope that helps - again, welcome to the list & good luck
constructing a persona....
Toujours a vos ordres,
Margaret Hepburn (who gets here by marrying a Montgumery...)
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Victoria <kaphagirl@e...> wrote:
> Hi, I'm new here. I just got back from my first Pennsic and I'm so
> excited. Well, I need to work on a persona. My family was from
> Glasgow so I think I'll stick to that area. Any suggestions?
- In the past a couple of folks, Margaret Hepburn and Effrick as I recall, have
mentioned researching Scottish wedding rites. My present interest is whether
anyone has references on how Britons, most especially Aberdonians, commemorated
wedding anniversaries. I'm particularly interested in the 16c. Assuming that
they observed them in any way, that is. Thanks in advance,
- To be perfectly honest, I've never seen anything on anniversaries,
not even for other 16th century cultures either. I *think* this is a
fairly modern concept, like big to-do's over birthdays. The Diary of
Margaret Hoby, who lived in Yorkshire in the 1590's has been
published - she records fairly mundane details of her daily life &
there is nothing in there about her wedding anniversaries or
birthdays, for either her or her family or the servants.
Saints days were still noted and if an anniversary or birthday
coincided with that, it might be noticed, but I doubt celebrated
like we do now.
Queen Elizabeth I had her Ascension Day tilts - her mythology sort
of melded with that of the Virgin Mary & it all got celebrated
together. She gave gifts for Christenings & things like that, but
I've not seen for birthdays or anniversaries.
Not much help I know - lack of evidence doesn't really prove
anything either way, just lack of evidence.
--- In email@example.com, Robert Kirby <lariandrobert@f...>
> In the past a couple of folks, Margaret Hepburn and Effrick as Irecall, have
> mentioned researching Scottish wedding rites. My present interestis whether
> anyone has references on how Britons, most especially Aberdonians,commemorated
> wedding anniversaries. I'm particularly interested in the 16c.Assuming that
> they observed them in any way, that is. Thanks in advance,
> Malcolm Drum