Re: [albanach] Hail unto the list
- --- scotsfencer@... wrote:
> Hail unto the list,Honorably,
> My name is Gavine Armestrang, I am a SCAdian that
> resides in the Barony of
> Darkwater, Kingdom of Trimaris. Obviously I have a
> Scottish lowlander persona.
> I am also trying to find some other
> ideas for clothing. Kilts are
> great, but the wrong material (or amount thereof) in
> the Trimaran heat can
> roast a lad. I have seen pictures, although how
> accurate I do not know, of Scots
> wearing pants, did they also wear a tartan drape? or
> was this not necessary
> due to the tartans not meaning anything clan wise.
> Did Scotsman wear plain
> tunics also? >
> Gavine ArmestrangFailte/Welcome
> MKA Corey Steff
I haven't done any research on sailors but since you
are concerned with "lowlanders", wearing the kilt is
not a problem. The kilt and breacan (plaid) are
Highland in origin and so the lowlanders wouldn't have
worn them.I think it would be safe to say that what
was being worn in what was then the borders and
northern England would be ok and acceptable. If I am
incorrect in this information I sincerely apologize.
Also yes, plain tunic would be accptable also.
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For a lowland persona c. 1550s, simply forget about the kilt. What
we would call "Highland Dress" would be completely foreign to your
persona. We tend to forget that the lowland and highland cultures
were rather foreign to each other. Your persona would have spoken
Inglis (English, or what we would term today Scots), worn clothing
very much like his English neighbors to the south, and have been
reared in a rather feudal system of land ownership and social structure.
Depending on exaclty when in the sixteenth century you are placing
him, he would be Protestant Presbyterian, or at least be heavily
pressured by law and society to be so.
Now, a Highland Scot in the same time period would have spoken Gaelic,
worn elaborate leinte (long, full tunics) that would have been rather
odd looking to the non-Gaelic observer, and by the end of the century
could have been wearing the tartan wrap, the feileadh-mor. He would
very likely have been reared in a clan social structure. He may
be aware of the Reformation as some trouble happening in the south,
but he and his family would for the most part be unaffected by it.
Your lowland persona would have much stronger ties to your English
neighbors just a stone's throw over the border. The Highlander would
have much more contact with the Irish. You would likely consider
a Highlander and anything to do with Highland culture rather barbaric.
In short, would he have even wanted to wear a kilt? No!
For inspiration about your clothing, look to sources that deal with
English clothes from the same time period. Although there were some
weapons and armor styles that seemed to have been favored by the
Border Scots. Osprey has a book out in their Men-at-Arms series
dealing with the Border Reviers that is quite good and well illustrated.
This would be an excellent first source for you.
Scottish History -- Highland Dress
- In a message dated 9/3/03 10:16:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<< since you are concerned with "lowlanders", wearing the kilt is not a
problem. The kilt and breacan (plaid) are Highland in origin and so the lowlanders
worn them. >>
I have seen research also that the lowlanders DID wear kilts, just not the
great kilt. I'll have to remember where I saw that and read it again.
- At 1:37 PM -0400 9/3/03, scotsfencer@... wrote:
>In a message dated 9/3/03 10:16:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,I think you may be confusing wearing of kilts, which is either a
><< since you are concerned with "lowlanders", wearing the kilt is not a
>problem. The kilt and breacan (plaid) are Highland in origin and so
> worn them. >>
>I have seen research also that the lowlanders DID wear kilts, just not the
>great kilt. I'll have to remember where I saw that and read it again.
modern thing (small kilt) or else a purely Highland thing (belted
plaid aka "great kilt") with wearing of plaids (unbelted), which was
done in both Highlands and Lowlands (see my other post), or else
recalling that there is some evidence (perhaps 17th century? I can't
recall) that at least sometimes when Lowlanders went on hunting trips
to the Highlands, they dressed in local style (so, didn't wear
Highland-style attire normally, but only when "going native" on
hunting trips in the Highlands). But normally Lowlanders dressed more
or less like the English and NW continental Europeans.
That being said, if you do come across evidence that Lowlanders wore
their plaids belted in SCA period, I'd love to know of it!
Sharon, ska Africa
Sharon L. Krossa, skrossa-ml@...
- At 7:12 AM -0700 9/3/03, amergin3084 wrote:
>I haven't done any research on sailors but since youA small correction. While the "kilt" in the sense of a plaid worn
>are concerned with "lowlanders", wearing the kilt is
>not a problem. The kilt and breacan (plaid) are
>Highland in origin and so the lowlanders wouldn't have
belted or "great kilt" was purely Highland (and of course a kilt in
the sense of a modern small kilt is modern ;-), Lowlanders did wear
plaids -- that is, rectangular length of tartan cloth worn as a
mantle/shawl. They may not have worn them in the same fashion as
Highlanders did, but many Lowlanders did wear them (especially women
of all classes and at least rural men of lower classes). Note that
the plaid is an outer garment -- a mantle/shawl -- not a main garment
worn at all times throughout the day like a skirt, shirt, or tunic.
Rather, it was worn pretty much in the same circumstances when a
cloak would be worn -- when cold, in bad weather, outside, etc.
Other than (some) Lowlanders wearing plaids, though, generally
Lowland clothing was more or less the same as English and/or
north-west continental clothing of the same era. So you might try
seeing if you can find information on what English sailors wore circa
Sharon, ska Affrick
PS Of course, circa 1500 is some 94 years before the first clear
evidence of a plaid worn belted even in the Highlands and Western
Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@...
Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more:
Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/
- scotsfencer@... wrote:
> I have seen research also that the lowlanders DID wear kilts, just notAfter the unpopular Union of the Parliaments in 1707 (or so) some
> great kilt. I'll have to remember where I saw that and read it again.
lowland nationalists did begin to look more favorably upon Highland
dress. (I think at this point the English were unpopular enough among
the southers Scots that they'd rather affiliate themselves with those
"barbarians" to the north than the English). But certainly the kilt was
never a "daily dress" item for them. When you get into the nineteenth
century, you'd certainly have Scots of lowland origin donning the kilt
on certain special occasions as ceremonial garb. But I can't think of a
time when the kilt was ever a part of the day-to-day clothing of the
Matthew A. C. Newsome
Highland Dress Historian
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