Re: [albanach] Medieval Prayers
- At 4:46 PM -0800 10/31/02, L Baker wrote:
>I don't Know...wouldn't it be more likely for a FemaleWhy particularly a _female_ character?
>Charecter in period to be reciting the Rosary??
Note that the Rosary is said to have been revealed to St. Dominic,
who died in 1221. (See the online 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm) Further, certain aspects
of what we know of as the rosary pre-date Dominic, and certain
aspects post-date him -- so a great deal depends on exactly what you
mean by "reciting the Rosary" as to whether it is likely anyone, male
or female, was doing it circa 1296.
As always, when it comes to religion, it is a good idea not to
speculate or make assumptions, but rather specifically investigate
the particular question. Medieval religious practice in a certain
time cannot safely be assumed based just on knowledge of religious
practice in any other time, medieval or modern. Things change over
Sharon, ska Ewphrick
Sharon L. Krossa, skrossa-ml@...
- Muirghein wrote:
> My admittedly not Catholic thought is that the Ave Maria might also beThe only problem with that is that the second half of the Ave Maria (the
> good option.
part beginning "Holy Mary, Mother of God. . ." was not added until 1483
(as was the name "Jesus" at the end of the first half). So, someone in
the thirteenth century would be praying only the angel's annunciantion
to Mary and Elizabeth's greeting.
Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord be with you. Blessed art thou among
women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et
benedictus fructus ventris tui.
- Diana Cosby wrote:
> ~I would love to see that please. Thank you!Actually, I misspoke. What I have is an Old English Our Father.
Ah ha! Upon looking, I see that I do have the Middle English version
taken from the Wycliffite Bible of 1384.
Fadir, halewid be thi name. Thi kyngdom come to. zyue to vs to day oure
eche dayes breed. And forzyue to vs oure synnes, as and we forzyuen to
each owynge to vs. And leed vs not in to temptacioun.
Remember that "v" and "u" were used interchagably. And "z" here would
have a "g" sound.
I also have several sixteenth century English translations.
- L Baker wrote:
> I don't Know...wouldn't it be more likely for a FemaleNo more likely for a female than a male. But the Our Father is one of
> Charecter in period to be reciting the Rosary??
the prayers used in the rosary. The author is looking for a single
prayer that would be most familiar to a person. The Our Father is a
- I said Female Charecter (sp) because I seem to recall
the initial post was about a female. As far as the
Rosary, Well heck :) I ain't no Theologist, Just your
freindly neighborhood Druid :) I also am rather
limited in my online time so cannot do to much in
depth research into the esoterica of a given Prayer
set. I mentioned the Rosary because it seemed...I
don;t know...more of a better choice for keeping the
mind occupied then jusy doin one prayer.
Brightest of Blessings to You and Yours and YIS
BTW thanks for the URL :)
--- "Sharon L. Krossa"
> At 4:46 PM -0800 10/31/02, L Baker wrote:=====
> >I don't Know...wouldn't it be more likely for a
> >Charecter in period to be reciting the Rosary??
> Why particularly a _female_ character?
> Note that the Rosary is said to have been revealed
> to St. Dominic,
> who died in 1221. (See the online 1913 Catholic
Beannachd nas Soilleir ort, agus air gach duine.
(Brightest of Blessings to you and all you hold dear.)
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- L Baker wrote:
> I said Female Charecter (sp) because I seem to recallRight, but I think what we were getting at is why would a female
> the initial post was about a female.
character be any more or less likely to pray the rosary than a male
character. You seemed to make that suggestion.
> I mentioned the Rosary because it seemed...IIt would certainly be a good choice for a meditative prayer. However,
> don;t know...more of a better choice for keeping the
> mind occupied then jusy doin one prayer.
as a meditative prayer it requires a lot of focus. For something just
to keep you mind occupied while doing other things, a single prayer,
like the Pater Noster or the Ave Maria, seem to me better choices.
Of course, this is a question for the author to decide, not us. ;-)
- Thank you for posting the beautiful links for the "Our Father"...I have one in Aramaic (the original language during the time of Jesus; not Hebrew)...Will post when I find it.
----- Original Message -----
From: J. Mackenzie
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [albanach] Medieval Prayers
Several versions of the 'our father' in middle english here (c. 13th at the
bottom of the page:)
I once came across a site that had a recorded version of the 'our
father'...in either A/S or Middle English...but I can't seem to find it
now....I'll keep checking and post it if I find it.
>From: "Tonia Blake" <tonia@...>
>Subject: [albanach] Medieval Prayers
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:01:16 -0500
>I'm looking for examples of medieval prayers in English (or M.E). A
>character in the novel I'm working on (set in southern Scotland, 1296) is
>trying to recite a common, simple prayer in her head as a way to distract
>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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