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  • Eray Ozkural
    Aug 31, 2013
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      Superphysical? What is that? How is a number "superphysical"?

      On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Roger Clough <rclough@...> wrote:
      > Hi Eray Ozkural
      >
      > It's all the same subtance, mind, so supernatural
      > doesn't make any sense. Superphysical would be a better word.
      >
      >
      > Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      > See my Leibniz site at
      > http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >
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      > From: Eray Ozkural
      > Receiver: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      > Time: 2013-08-30, 16:40:06
      > Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy
      >
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      >
      >
      >>What are they part of then?
      >>
      >>Supernatural?
      >>
      >>--
      >>Eray Ozkural
      >>http://myspace.com/arizanesil
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:37 PM, "Roger Clough" wrote:
      >>
      >>> Hi Justin William Zijlstra
      >>>
      >>> Numbers aren't part of nature .
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      >>> See my Leibniz site at
      >>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >>>
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      >>> From: Justin William Zijlstra
      >>> Receiver: ai-philosophy
      >>> Time: 2013-08-30, 13:21:00
      >>> Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> Irrational numbers are special elements of nature?
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> 2013/8/30 Roger Clough
      >>>>
      >>>>> **
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >>>>>
      >>>>> 1. There is design in nature. At the very least, the elementary particles.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> 2. One cannot create a design without external intelligence to form the
      >>>>> design.
      >>>>> In fact, that's one definiton of intelligence.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> 3. Therefore some intelligence was needed to create the universe.
      >>>>> The tooth fairy, perhaps ?
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Proof of 3 is also given by the improbability of the universe's structure,
      >>>>> sxomething greater that 10^-255, as I recall.
      >>>>> An improbable construction suggests intelligence in its creation.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Hawkings dismisses this argument by the statement that the universe was
      >>>>> all formed by the laws of physics. But he does not explain wqhere those
      >>>>> laws
      >>>>> camde from. The tooth fairy ?
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      >>>>> See my Leibniz site at
      >>>>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
      >>>>> From: Eray Ozkural
      >>>>> Receiver: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      >>>>> Time: 2013-08-29, 11:38:14
      >>>>> Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Leibniz's final
      >>>>> causationastheSelf,theactiveagentof change
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>> In this case there is intelligent design which *is* creationism
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> --
      >>>>>> Eray Ozkural
      >>>>>> http://myspace.com/arizanesil
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Lukasz Stafiniak wrote:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> What's creationism ?
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>> Creationism is the misconception that structure, information, design,
      >>>>> knowledge, etc. are either eternal or outside of "time" rather than an
      >>>>> effect of a process of which it can be understood why it leads to such
      >>>>> design, knowledge, etc. rather than a different outcome. (I put "time" in
      >>>>> quotes; I want to stress processuality, not physicality.)
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>
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      Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate. Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara
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