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  • Roger Clough
    Aug 31, 2013
      Hi Eray Ozkural

      It's all the same subtance, mind, so supernatural
      doesn't make any sense. Superphysical would be a better word.


      Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      See my Leibniz site at
      http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough


      ----- Receiving the following content -----
      From: Eray Ozkural
      Receiver: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      Time: 2013-08-30, 16:40:06
      Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy




      >What are they part of then?
      >
      >Supernatural?
      >
      >--
      >Eray Ozkural
      >http://myspace.com/arizanesil
      >
      >
      >
      >On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:37 PM, "Roger Clough" wrote:
      >
      >> Hi Justin William Zijlstra
      >>
      >> Numbers aren't part of nature .
      >>
      >>
      >> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      >> See my Leibniz site at
      >> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Receiving the following content -----
      >> From: Justin William Zijlstra
      >> Receiver: ai-philosophy
      >> Time: 2013-08-30, 13:21:00
      >> Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>> Irrational numbers are special elements of nature?
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> 2013/8/30 Roger Clough
      >>>
      >>>> **
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >>>>
      >>>> 1. There is design in nature. At the very least, the elementary particles.
      >>>>
      >>>> 2. One cannot create a design without external intelligence to form the
      >>>> design.
      >>>> In fact, that's one definiton of intelligence.
      >>>>
      >>>> 3. Therefore some intelligence was needed to create the universe.
      >>>> The tooth fairy, perhaps ?
      >>>>
      >>>> Proof of 3 is also given by the improbability of the universe's structure,
      >>>> sxomething greater that 10^-255, as I recall.
      >>>> An improbable construction suggests intelligence in its creation.
      >>>>
      >>>> Hawkings dismisses this argument by the statement that the universe was
      >>>> all formed by the laws of physics. But he does not explain wqhere those
      >>>> laws
      >>>> camde from. The tooth fairy ?
      >>>>
      >>>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      >>>> See my Leibniz site at
      >>>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
      >>>> From: Eray Ozkural
      >>>> Receiver: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      >>>> Time: 2013-08-29, 11:38:14
      >>>> Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Leibniz's final
      >>>> causationastheSelf,theactiveagentof change
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>> In this case there is intelligent design which *is* creationism
      >>>>>
      >>>>> --
      >>>>> Eray Ozkural
      >>>>> http://myspace.com/arizanesil
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Lukasz Stafiniak wrote:
      >>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> What's creationism ?
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Creationism is the misconception that structure, information, design,
      >>>> knowledge, etc. are either eternal or outside of "time" rather than an
      >>>> effect of a process of which it can be understood why it leads to such
      >>>> design, knowledge, etc. rather than a different outcome. (I put "time" in
      >>>> quotes; I want to stress processuality, not physicality.)
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>
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