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Re: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy

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  • Roger Clough
    Aug 30, 2013 Expand Messages
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      Hi Justin William Zijlstra

      Numbers aren't part of nature .


      Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      See my Leibniz site at
      http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough


      ----- Receiving the following content -----
      From: Justin William Zijlstra
      Receiver: ai-philosophy
      Time: 2013-08-30, 13:21:00
      Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Signs of the tooth fairy




      >Irrational numbers are special elements of nature?
      >
      >
      >2013/8/30 Roger Clough
      >
      >> **
      >>
      >>
      >> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >>
      >> 1. There is design in nature. At the very least, the elementary particles.
      >>
      >> 2. One cannot create a design without external intelligence to form the
      >> design.
      >> In fact, that's one definiton of intelligence.
      >>
      >> 3. Therefore some intelligence was needed to create the universe.
      >> The tooth fairy, perhaps ?
      >>
      >> Proof of 3 is also given by the improbability of the universe's structure,
      >> sxomething greater that 10^-255, as I recall.
      >> An improbable construction suggests intelligence in its creation.
      >>
      >> Hawkings dismisses this argument by the statement that the universe was
      >> all formed by the laws of physics. But he does not explain wqhere those
      >> laws
      >> camde from. The tooth fairy ?
      >>
      >> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
      >> See my Leibniz site at
      >> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Receiving the following content -----
      >> From: Eray Ozkural
      >> Receiver: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com
      >> Time: 2013-08-29, 11:38:14
      >> Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Leibniz's final
      >> causationastheSelf,theactiveagentof change
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      >>
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      >>
      >> >In this case there is intelligent design which *is* creationism
      >> >
      >> >--
      >> >Eray Ozkural
      >> >http://myspace.com/arizanesil
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Lukasz Stafiniak wrote:
      >> >
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
      >> >>
      >> >> Hi Eray Ozkural
      >> >>
      >> >> What's creationism ?
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> Creationism is the misconception that structure, information, design,
      >> knowledge, etc. are either eternal or outside of "time" rather than an
      >> effect of a process of which it can be understood why it leads to such
      >> design, knowledge, etc. rather than a different outcome. (I put "time" in
      >> quotes; I want to stress processuality, not physicality.)
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >
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