Re: [agile-usability] Re: One Of My Biggest Agile Problem.
- Hello, Jonathan. On Friday, September 5, 2008, at 8:56:11 PM, you
> Yes, I've had a cat. I'd say that they are the exception that proves thePeople are better at it than cats.
> rule. It's amazing how well they can take your reward / punishment
> system and turn it against you...
> ...And it does. Until we turn our back.
> 15,000 words deleted which afaict just restate your view that
> punishment works.
> Oh, and a final parting shot at Kohn. If extrinsic reward systems are soThis analysis is, I think, backward. If extrinsic reward systems
> fallible, why is it that we continue to see those with greater skills
> being rewarded above others with lesser skills? Employees that perform
> better are rewarded not from a warm glow within, but higher pay.
> Professional athletes receive the pay and attention that they do because
> of superior physical skills.
worked, people would get better because we paid them more. That is
not the case. We pay them more if they do better work.
People who already are doing better work are paid more for at least
two reasons. First, a feeling of fairness. Second, because we have
to pay good people more or they will leave us. This is not proof
that they are primarily externally motivated. It's just proof that
they are aware of how the game is played.
Again you have this backward. If compensation is even remotely
equivalent, people will choose the job they enjoy more.
> How many people capable of performing at atAnd people who make a buttload of money in paid positions quite
> a high level say "no, you can keep all of that nasty extrinsic piles of
> cash. I'm intrinsically motivated to be a florist!".
often retire early. That speaks directly to intrinsic motivation
As far as I can see, none of what has come before us here supports
the view that we can punish your way to good people.
You're free to try, of course.
Hold on to your dream. --ELO
- aacockburn wrote:
> I also have enjoyed this rampaging discussion immensely, even ifThat's a good point. The biggest complaint I hear about this list is
> it has precious little to do with agile-usability. It has opened
> some interesting doors for long-term inquiry in my mind. (Thanks
> Jonathan for that).
> Maybe now we can let this group get on with its regularly scheduled
> program :)
that the volume makes it too hard to keep up. Might I suggest that any
future discussion on this topic go to a more appropriate list? E.g.,