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Re: [agile-usability] Re: Kanban meets Disneyland

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  • Jon Kern
    thanks! (long threads? on this forum? :-) jon blog: TechnicalDebt.com View Jon Kern s profile
    Message 1 of 177 , Aug 20, 2008
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      thanks!

      (long threads? on this forum? :-)

      jon


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      Landes Eric (CI/AMM1-NA) said the following on 8/20/08 9:39 AM:
      >
      > Jon,
      > Sorry I'm a little late to this. But Kanban means visual board, so I
      > don't think it's an inaccurate term. The idea is that you have a board
      > that shows your work. See my reply I just sent for references. Sorry
      > didn't realize this thread was so long!
      >
      > Eric Landes
      > Microsoft MVP
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      >
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > [mailto:agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jon Kern
      > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:25 AM
      > > To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Subject: Re: [agile-usability] Re: Kanban meets Disneyland
      > >
      > > my original reply had my recollection from my experience on a
      > > 1995-1998
      > > IBM MES project... that was how IBM subject matter experts
      > > explained it
      > > to me...
      > >
      > > but wikipedia has an adequate explanation
      > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban
      > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban>>.
      > >
      > > do you equate doing "tasks/features/bugs" the same thing as demand
      > > "pulling" inventory when the number of graphics card falls below a
      > > certain level?
      > >
      > > anyway, my primary point is, even if there is a parallel in
      > > some oblique
      > > sense to kanban, why introduce an imprecise term to our industry
      > > borrowed from another industry? why introduce a term that, in
      > > its native
      > > industry, was derived for significantly different purposes
      > > and intentions?
      > >
      > > but i remain open and ready to be convinced that this term/concept as
      > > applied to software is somehow novel and marketable to stakeholders.
      > >
      > > jon
      > >
      > >
      > > blog: TechnicalDebt.com <http://technicaldebt.com
      > <http://technicaldebt.com>>
      > > View Jon Kern's profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
      > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern>>
      > >
      > >
      > > aacockburn said the following on 8/17/08 11:41 PM:
      > > >
      > > > --- In agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, Jon Kern
      > > <jonkern@...> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > ah, ok. well, it isn't really Kanban in the manufacturing sense.
      > > >
      > > > Ah, well, actually it is exactly Kanban in the manufacturing sense.
      > > > If you think there is a different meaning to Kanban in the
      > > > manufacturing sense, please tell what it is, don't just
      > > play riddles.
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
    • Jon Kern
      thanks! (long threads? on this forum? :-) jon blog: TechnicalDebt.com View Jon Kern s profile
      Message 177 of 177 , Aug 20, 2008
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        thanks!

        (long threads? on this forum? :-)

        jon


        blog: TechnicalDebt.com <http://technicaldebt.com>
        View Jon Kern's profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern>


        Landes Eric (CI/AMM1-NA) said the following on 8/20/08 9:39 AM:
        >
        > Jon,
        > Sorry I'm a little late to this. But Kanban means visual board, so I
        > don't think it's an inaccurate term. The idea is that you have a board
        > that shows your work. See my reply I just sent for references. Sorry
        > didn't realize this thread was so long!
        >
        > Eric Landes
        > Microsoft MVP
        > http://feeds.feedburner.com/aspadvice/lhVO
        > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/aspadvice/lhVO> (My Blog)
        > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/539/b14
        > <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/539/b14> Linked In Profile
        >
        >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > [mailto:agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jon Kern
        > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:25 AM
        > > To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > Subject: Re: [agile-usability] Re: Kanban meets Disneyland
        > >
        > > my original reply had my recollection from my experience on a
        > > 1995-1998
        > > IBM MES project... that was how IBM subject matter experts
        > > explained it
        > > to me...
        > >
        > > but wikipedia has an adequate explanation
        > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban
        > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban>>.
        > >
        > > do you equate doing "tasks/features/bugs" the same thing as demand
        > > "pulling" inventory when the number of graphics card falls below a
        > > certain level?
        > >
        > > anyway, my primary point is, even if there is a parallel in
        > > some oblique
        > > sense to kanban, why introduce an imprecise term to our industry
        > > borrowed from another industry? why introduce a term that, in
        > > its native
        > > industry, was derived for significantly different purposes
        > > and intentions?
        > >
        > > but i remain open and ready to be convinced that this term/concept as
        > > applied to software is somehow novel and marketable to stakeholders.
        > >
        > > jon
        > >
        > >
        > > blog: TechnicalDebt.com <http://technicaldebt.com
        > <http://technicaldebt.com>>
        > > View Jon Kern's profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
        > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern>>
        > >
        > >
        > > aacockburn said the following on 8/17/08 11:41 PM:
        > > >
        > > > --- In agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, Jon Kern
        > > <jonkern@...> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > ah, ok. well, it isn't really Kanban in the manufacturing sense.
        > > >
        > > > Ah, well, actually it is exactly Kanban in the manufacturing sense.
        > > > If you think there is a different meaning to Kanban in the
        > > > manufacturing sense, please tell what it is, don't just
        > > play riddles.
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
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