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  • David J Anderson
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    Message 1 of 11 , May 16, 2005
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      Thanks! Some great tips.

      --- In agile-usability@yahoogroups.com, "Sue Heim \(Home\)"
      <sue_heim@m...> wrote:
      > I've been a "power user" of Yahoo! Groups for some time now, too.
      And I do
      > think usability took a big hit when they redesigned.
      >
      > First of all... David, you CAN manage the order in which groups are
      > displayed. When you are logged in and at the main groups.yahoo.com
      page, at
      > the bottom of the list of your groups are a couple of links:
      Organize and
      > Simplify/Expand. Click Organize to move the order of groups around
      so that
      > the ones you want to access most are at the top. Click Simplify if
      you are
      > seeing the logo graphic that is attached to any group (which makes
      that list
      > ever so much longer to view!). Expand allows you to see the pix
      again if
      > you've "simplified" the view. (View All is available when you are
      in the
      > expanded view, if there are more groups available than can fit in
      the list.)
      >
      > I think they've changed a few things from how it originally was
      redesigned.
      > Plus I think I've finally gotten used to it. But I do miss the
      old, slightly
      > ugly but very efficient, Yahoo! Groups!
      >
      > ...sue
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "David J Anderson" <netherby_uk@y...>
      > To: <agile-usability@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 9:22 AM
      > Subject: [agile-usability] Re: new Yahoo! groups design
      >
      >
      > > I started this thread because though I like the new look, I feel
      it
      > > has lost a lot in usability - to the point where I feel some
      basic
      > > usability discipline was simply ignored.
      > >
      > > As a heavy Yahoo! groups user, I am subscribed to around 15
      groups,
      > > several of which have heavy traffic at times. So I use the
      website
      > > interface to manage that - rather than have my inbox spammed. I
      am
      > > guessing that a persona fitting my description was never part of
      the
      > > Yahoo! team's analysis.
      > >
      > > So, now when I login I'm presented with a hot list of my groups,
      > > which is alphabetically sorted. So I get to see the first 10 or
      so
      > > groups by alphabetical order - note, not by usage order or by
      recent
      > > activity order but by the completely arbitrary (in this scenario)
      > > alphabetical order.
      > >
      > > I am presented with a link which says "Show All". This link would
      > > appear to let me see the other groups I can't see on the hot
      list.
      > > So I press that link because I want to see one of my favorite
      > > groups "TOCLeaders" which appears towards the end of my
      alphabetical
      > > list.
      > >
      > > What do I get next?
      > >
      > > Yep, you guessed it, a page with all the same information I can
      > > already see, with an enumerated list of page links at the
      bottom. To
      > > see that other groups I couldn't see at first, I need to scroll
      down
      > > and press "2".
      > >
      > > Compared to the old interface this is way more overhead and extra
      > > clicks.
      > >
      > > In general I seem to be clicking and scrolling a lot more than
      > > before.
      > >
      > > Way back in the day - when we all envied Jakob Nielsen his
      traffic,
      > > his billing rate and idolized his wisdom and his prolific rate of
      > > production - Yahoo! got praised for its "doesn't look great but
      heck
      > > is it fast and usable" interface. What happened to the ethos that
      > > created that?
      > >
      > > Frustrated Yahoo! groups power user and group owner,
      > >
      > > David
      > > http://www.uidesign.net/
      > > http://www.agilemanagement.net/
      > >
      > > --- In agile-usability@yahoogroups.com, "Aviva Rosenstein"
      > > <aviva@y...> wrote:
      > > > Hi Jeff, Silvana, and all y'all:
      > > >
      > > > This is embarrasing to admit, but I haven't actually seen the
      new
      > > Groups
      > > > look yet. (I just have Group mail forwarded to another account
      so
      > > I rarely
      > > > have a chance to explore that part of the network.) I've been
      > > heads down in
      > > > another project in another part of the organization for the
      last
      > > several
      > > > weeks.
      > > >
      > > > But I'd love to hear your suggestions too -- so please cc me
      when
      > > you send
      > > > them to Silvana.
      > > > Aviva
      > > >
      > > > ___________________________
      > > > Aviva Rosenstein, Ph.D.
      > > > Design Researcher
      > > >
      > > > Yahoo! Inc.
      > > > 701 First Avenue
      > > > Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > _____
      > > >
      > > > From: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > [mailto:agile-usability@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      silvana@w...
      > > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:51 AM
      > > > To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Cc: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: RE: [agile-usability] Re: new Yahoo! groups design
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Aviva, Jeff and all,
      > > >
      > > > I am with Yahoo-Inc. and would he happy to pass on any
      suggestions
      > > to
      > > > the right group.
      > > >
      > > > You can mail it to my email address: wasitova@y... .
      > > >
      > > > --
      > > > Silvana Wasitova - silvana@w... - 408.258.9193
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > -------- Original Message --------
      > > > > Subject: [agile-usability] Re: new Yahoo! groups design
      > > > > From: "Jeff Patton" <jpatton@a...>
      > > > > Date: Thu, May 12, 2005 10:44 am
      > > > > To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > >
      > > > > This list does have a lot of Yahoo-inc subscribers. I think
      > > they're
      > > > > listening in. Aviva, what do you think about YahooGroups new
      > > look
      > > > > and feel?
      > > > >
      > > > > Personally, I like the look. But, there a few interactions
      I'd
      > > like
      > > > > to see changed. What's been done mostly looks like
      freshening
      > > up the
      > > > > branding - not improving usability.
      > > > >
      > > > > -Jeff
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In agile-usability@yahoogroups.com, "Sue Heim"
      > > <sue_heim@m...>
      > > > > wrote:
      > > > > > Collectively, I don't like it. I think it's lost a bit in
      the
      > > > > usability
      > > > > > department. I've filed a note with Yahoo! but I doubt if
      > > they'll
      > > > > listen...
      > > > > >
      > > > > > ...sue
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >From: "David J Anderson" <netherby_uk@y...>
      > > > > > >Reply-To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > >To: agile-usability@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > >Subject: [agile-usability] new Yahoo! groups design
      > > > > > >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:53:56 -0000
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >By any chance is the designer of the new look Yahoo!
      groups
      > > > > website a
      > > > > > >member of this list?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >How do we collectively feel about the usability of the new
      > > design?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >David
      > > > > > >http://www.uidesign.net/
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
      > > > > > >
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      > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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      > > >
      > > >
      > > > _____
      > > >
      > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
      > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-usability/
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
      > > > agile-usability-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
      > > > <mailto:agile-usability-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?
      > > subject=Unsubscribe>
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
      > > Service
      > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
      > >
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      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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