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  • Colin Jamieson
    Thanks Russel for your prompt reply, Im using a switching circuit at the moment where by I take voltage off the secondary winding of my biffilar drive coils,
    Message 1 of 80 , Jul 1, 2012
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      Thanks Russel for your prompt reply, Im using a switching circuit at the moment where by I take voltage off the secondary winding of my biffilar drive coils, the moment the drive pulse is switched off the secondary circuit is switch on and charges a cap. I will need to do the same with my gen coils, when my gen coils are shorted my driving current drops and my motor speeds up so I want to take advantage of that, I read some where if the gen coils are switched in during the time of the falling fields, eg when the pm have past the mid point of the gen cores this will happen, Im yet to try it. When the Adams motor gets into resonance is the the same as resonance in a LC circuit where the coil inductance and capacitance between the windings of the adams motor coil, becuase if it is shouldn,t the current input be zero as the resistance is at max during resonance. I have notice that when I start up my Adams motor the current goes down as it speeds up at a constant decline then suddenly shoots up a bit then finally drops to a low level, is this then at resonance or just a sweet spot, regards Colin   
       
      --- On Sat, 30/6/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

      From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
      Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
      To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Saturday, 30, June, 2012, 11:42 PM



      Hi Colin,

      I dont have all
      the answers for you on that question.  I dont believe it is just a case of putting a rectifier across the output wires and bingo you have FE in spades otherwise everyone would be doing it.  Maimairiti talks about timing and switching the output and I believe this is correct.  I believe from what I remember of our conversations I had with Robert he used to precharge the capacitors he was collecting the charge in as well.  From there I dont know weather he used another timed switch or a diac trigger or something similar to feed a battery or capacitor energy storage bank so the generator does not see the load directly.  I think from all the stuff I have looked at over the years there is a way to get it running so that there is almost no drag load on the system (rotor) but it can be made to produce a lot of power.  We saw this with one of the experiments Rick did on the Bedini motor where he had a coil with a high number of turns (High resistance inductance) mounted on the bike wheel where he built up an inductive charge in the coil then only drew that down so far in very short pulses between magnets passing the coil and it put no noticeable drag on the wheel but gave quite a high voltage output.  If you are drawing power as the magnet is passing the coil you create considerable drag.  I know Robert liked voltage lots of it and he said if you doubled the voltage you quadrupled the energy hence working at 720 volts gave 4 times more energy than working at 360 volts.

      Robert had developed a dislike for lead acid batteries as he wrecked them quite quickly and often talked about multi farad capacitor banks as a storage medium.

      I have collected some switching components and intend doing some more experiments shortly

      Beware high voltages are dangerous and you need to know what you are doing and to take great care when you are working at higher voltages.

      I hope I havent confused things here,  I am missing a bit of info on the project in this area.

      Regards Russel



      On 30/06/2012 9:21 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
       
      Hi Russel you mentioned previously that how the output is wired is critical and not obvious, can you tell me how or give me a hint as to how the output is wired, regards Colin

      --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

      From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
      Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
      To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, 27, June, 2012, 5:54 PM



      Hi Colin,

      The best article I have seen on the original Adamsmotor is the one in the files section labelled     Text Document Adamsmotor.txt .  Most of my work has been done on the Thermo motor not the original Adamsmotor.  John Bedini uses Bifilar and quite large numbers of windings to achieve a very low resistance with a high capacitance coil.  Roberts motors work the other way a high resistance high inductance setup as you are looking for voltage not current.  A capacitor converts the voltage to useful current and causes the amps to appear in the circuit.  The battery in a bedini circuit does the same sort of thing.

      Robert had tested very many coil arrangements and was totally convinced that there was no advantage in a bifilar arrangement.

      All the best Russel

      On 27/06/2012 5:05 p.m., jasmen52 wrote:
       
      Russel, is it possible to get a good percentage of overunity using a traditional Adams motor and are bifilar wound driving coils any advantage. cheers Colin

      --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Colin,
      >
      > I did not tell you I have got it working, I have seen very
      > good working motors of Roberts a motor that produced 10Kw in
      > one configuration and 50 KW configured differently. I had
      > agreed to help Robert finish his MEGAWATT motor I am a
      > machinist but his eyesight was nearly gone and we mostly
      > talked but did not get much work done on that motor.
      > Mechanically it was nearly finished and the coils had been
      > tested so he knew what to expect out of them. But these
      > motors I am referring to here are Thermo Motors not the more
      > traditional 6 coil Adamsmotor. They produce electrical
      > energy and heat energy. The smaller one I listed produced
      > 10KW electrical and 40 KW heat energy once it was converted
      > back to electricity. So the FE does not have to run cold in
      > fact every part of these motors except the magnets runs
      > hot. The switching components the coils the coil cores
      > particularly that is why we had to water cool them so the
      > energy in the water was the greatest source of energy we
      > got. The traditional Adamsmotor does run cold but can be
      > made to run hot as well with a modification but the heat can
      > be a problem if you dont want it or manage it correctly.
      > I am not allowed to tell you everything because agreements I
      > have made but will help where I can.
      >
      > Regards Russel
      > On 27/06/2012 4:19 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Russel I hope you don,t mind me bugging you with all
      > > these questions but I,m happy I have found someone who has
      > > made the adams motor work, I have also been focused on
      > > getting the system working cold, the driving coils and
      > > switching circuit are stone cold even after several hrs.
      > > For overunity is that a requirement? and is there any
      > > chance you can email me the the circuits you are using. I
      > > would be very gratefull for any info, thanks Colin
      > > --- On *Wed, 27/6/12, Russel Prier
      > > / 199.doc
      > >>> Uploaded by : fiditti <finedm@>
      > >>> <
      http://nz.mc960.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=finedm@>
      > >>> Description : Maimariati Post #199 (Key Points
      > >>> Summarized)
      > >>>
      > >>> You can access this file at the URL:
      > >>> http://groups.yahoo..com/group/adamsmotor/files/Summary%20of%20Maimariati%20Post%\
      > >>> 20199.doc
      > >>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adamsmotor/files/Summary%20of%20Maimariati%20Post%20199..doc>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> Any help would eb greately appreciated.
      > >>>
      > >>> Kind Regards
      > >>> Tim Johnson
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >









    • Russel Prier
      Hi Colin, Very breifly the motor works the same but and as the magnet passes the iron pole peice there is a magnetic reversal takes place but because there is
      Message 80 of 80 , Feb 3, 2013
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        Hi Colin,

        Very breifly the motor works the same but and as the magnet passes the iron pole peice there is a magnetic reversal takes place but because there is more energy in the coil because of the applied voltage on attaction there is a much greater switch to repulsion and bigger back EMF pulse as well.  This is a very brief summary of the description John Bedini gave as to why he runs his motor generators this way but I will have to reread the book to give you a more detailed descritoin of what is happening in the motor.

        Regards
        Russel


        On 3/02/2013 9:10 a.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        Hi Russel, I've been thinking about what you said in your email about running the motor in attraction mode, I don,t quite get it. the magnets on the rotor are attracted to the iron cores of the drive coils and then at register a current is supplied to produce opposite poles for repulsion or just enough current to counteract the sticking point. If current was to be supplied to drive coils to caused the magnets on rotor to be attracted, then current would have stop at register and then current  reversed to stop magnets sticking to core, or the drive coils cores would have to be a nonmagnetic material not iron, Can you please explain the procedure for attraction mode. kind regards Colin

        --- On Fri, 1/2/13, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...


        Hi Colin,

        Thanks for your new yer good wishes.  I hope you have a great year as well and all the other experimenters too.  Your experimenting is going well.  Just before Christmas i downloaded Bedinis new book on the SG and SSG motor of his.  One of the interesting things that came out of it was that running the motor side if it in attraction mode instead of repulsion mode gave a much higher BEF spike.  It is quite possible Robert was also doing this because if it worked he would have done it as he tried every concievable combination.  The Thermo motor was run in repulsion but it does not mean that the Adams motor was run that way.  By operating in repulsion mode yu can have a self starting motor but the Adams motor was not a self starter so it is very likely that is was run in attraction mode.. 

        If you are on the right track and it sounds like you are the output is probably a mixture of BEMF and radiant energy.  This will change the chemical makeup internally of caps and batteries and improve there perfomance over time.  It will also strengthen the magnets.  Negative energy as opposed to positive energy is constructive as opposed to destructive and also has many health benifits.  Positive energy has many health risks as people are finding out with Cancers and Luekemia's due to the damage to cells it causes particullarly AC which causes the water molecules to spin constantly and makes it difficult for cells to process water through the membrain walls where they have to pass through in a particular orientation.  DC and pulsed DC is less problematical to human life. 

        When the air is very dry caps in good condition can self charge from static electricity in the air or eviroment but this sounds like it is very much related to the type of charge you are getting from your motor.
        This gets more interesting by the email, Great work.

        Regards and best wishes,
        Russel


        On 1/02/2013 5:12 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        Hi Russel,hope the new year is turning out ok for you, have you had a chance to check out that circuit of mine? you have probably been too busy, I thought I would touch base with and tell you some of the things that have happenned. I now am using a unregulated power supply and boy there is a major drop in drive current. Also I have bemf gain, the input to the Adams motor is dc so I can accurately measure the input current and voltage, I'm using the back emf to drive a 1 watt bulb and the input is .809watt, when the bulb is lighted the voltage is still climbing so bemf is a bit over 1 watt which is slightly more than I'm getting from my Gen coils but at the moment there is only 2 gen coils. The dc converter I'm using to step up drive voltage, the output transistors of it get quite warm and they both have desent size heatsinks so there would be a bit of wastage there, the converter is suppose to be 94% efficient. The switching Fet of adams motor which the converter supplies is cool and the switching Fet has no heatsink at all.
         The cap that gets charged from the bemf seems to recharge itself, when I stop the motor and power is disconnected the bulb lights up on and off for about 20mins.
        A lot of articles I have read about the Adams motor talk about how gravity is involved and weight getting less, I notice that when water is drained from a sink or container it always goes in anticlock spiral, my adams motor goes clockwise so I thought I would make it spin anticlock, well the speed increase by 200 rpm but I think because the rotor now sees the gen coils first that maybe the reason, cheers Colin


        --- On Fri, 30/11/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Friday, 30, November, 2012, 10:13 PM



        Wow that is great news,  I am going to have to crank up my coil winder again.   The extra energy is often described as gravitational energy and so a sensitive person would be likely to detect a change when they walk in the room.  I dont think it is gravitational energy but comes from the same source as gravity. 
        I can imagine it is aesy to wreck cheap meters measuring voltages when you have flyback voltages around because they can go very high so fast that you need a really fast scope to even see them.  My 60 Meg scope will barely catch them at times..  I have blown up my frequency counter also measuring the pulse rate feeding into a battery as for some reason the battery voltage on a 12 volt lead acid battery went to over 100 volts in a matter of seconds while I was watching something else and the counter was fried.  It was some sort of surface charge on the battery and that was with a Bedini Motor.

        Have you seen this by John Bedini I am thinking about buying it to  just to get a better understanding of the things involved but what John was working on is slightly different to what Robert was working on and you can confuse yourself sometimes.  http://bedinisg.com/bedinisg.pdf

        All the best
        Russel


        On30/11/2012 9:37 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        Hi Russel I thought I would touch base with you. I believe I have got OU. I have 2 output circuits from my adams motor, one from the gen coils driving a load and the other from flyback circuit. The output from the flyback circuit is driving a load at 33ma at 26volts, that is .858watts, the input is 61ma at 12.6volts which in my book is .768watts. That's not counting the current draw from gen coils driving 27 leds. I will do some readings from gen coils to work out the power from them, I have stuffed 2 multimeters but they were only cheap ones I my have accidently shorted cap out. A funny thought I had the motor running a couple of days ago and a young kid went into the room and said he felt a strange tingling sensation and he said he felt his hair go strange, I haven't notice it my self, regards Colin

        --- On Mon, 19/11/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, 19, November, 2012, 2:13 PM



        HiColin,

        I always thought it was the drive coils first then gen coils because there are interactions going on in the magnets after they have been pulsed which is picked up by the generator coils as excess energy but I have not tested this and I say try both ways.

        Russel P
        On19/11/2012 1:50 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        HiRussel I have a question for you, on the drawings done by Mr Adams showing the drive and generator coils, is the rotor spinning clockwise or anticlock?. the reason Im asking is I need to know if the magnets see the gen coils first or the drive coils because if the magnets see the drive coil first by the time the magnets get to gen coils the current to drive coils would be just switching off and the sharp pulse could have an affect, if the magnets see the gen coils first then there is an attraction to gen cores first then passes, if there a short or load theres no sticking point. There is a greater distance between gen coil and drive pulse if the gen coils are seen first compared to the time if drive coils were seen first.What do you think. looking forward to hearing from you, regards Colin
        --- On Mon,5/11/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, 5, November, 2012, 9:42 PM



        HiColin,

        That is quite a setup you have built up there.  There has been a lot of trial and error going on there to come up with that arrangement Wow.  Where did you get the big toriod core from?  I have never seen anyone looping between the primary and secondary circuits in bifilla coils before.  You have some unique ideas here in this circuit.  There is so much going on in there it will take a bit of thinking about..

        Thanks for your input it is quite different and most interesting.
        Russel

        On5/11/2012 9:14 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        HiRussel, I have attached a circuit for you to look at. I haven,t attached my switching circuits but will do so later when I create a folder

        --- On Mon,5/11/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, 5, November, 2012, 7:31 AM



        HiColin,

        Can you put a schematic sketch of your layout up,  you can load it into the files section and create your own folder to put it in..  Your description is a little confusing,  but sounds very interesting.

        Thanks
        Russel
        On4/11/2012 9:46 p.m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        HiRussel its me again, I mentioned before that I thought I had a couple of times got OU but the point is I,m not sure, if I was OU by a large amount I would know, but by a small amount, not sure... At the moment I,m lighting up 30 led individually, they are not in series.. I also have 4 neons glowing which get quit hot, these are between primary and secondary of drive coils. With all these connected to the output the drive current has gone done not up. the mosfets are very cold to the touch, a lot colder than room temperature.. I do get a reading across output caps but they don,t make sense. I appreciated your reasoning, regards Colin

        --- On Thu,1/11/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Thursday, 1, November, 2012, 8:59 PM



        Yesthat guy got ridiculed for his claims and disappeared promptly. I tried to get in contact with him directly but had no luck but his claims were consistent with many things Robert had told me directly so I did not doubt what he was saying  You can read it at Message 199 in the Adamsmotor group messages.  I just dont agree with him about Alien that bit is not correct..

        Russel
        On1/11/2012 3:38 p..m., Colin Jamieson wrote:
         

        HiRussel, yes I am using neo magnets and my input voltage is 100volts, you mention previously you had received an email from people in the states who were getting great results. Do you have any info on what they are doing and do they belong to any online group? regards Colin

        --- On Wed,31/10/12, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:

        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
        Subject: Re: [adamsmotor] Re: Documents still available
        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, 31, October, 2012, 10:42 PM



        HiColin,  There are two sorts of Adams motors and they are quite different in there operation,  The close air gap is important to the thermomotor  but I think a larger airgap may be beneficial in the older design.  you want to see the thing motoring with very little total or average input power so you may have to play around altering the airgap as one of the variables to achieve this.  As a switched reluctance motor and collecting the back EMF spike it should just about be self-running.  If you can achieve this with the generator coils left open (not used) then when you connect them up you should be able to go OU but you will have to re-fine tune the drive side again but you should then get more feedback on the drive side as well.  One of the motors of Roberts I had running in my workshop did not have any genera

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