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  • markmoridi
    Hi Russel, Thanks for the reply. Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that s my opinion based on my own experimental observations. We tend to
    Message 1 of 12 , Aug 26, 2008
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      Hi Russel,

      Thanks for the reply.

      Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my opinion
      based on my own experimental observations.
      We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is people are
      complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
      psychological and ego reasons.
      If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of the
      unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it. Nothing
      more.

      I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE background
      couldn't account for, except what I posted.
      Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set the
      record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power induced
      in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
      (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed of the
      rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
      The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals the cemf
      produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before pulsing the
      stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the cemf
      is once again equal to the emf.
      The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power that is
      produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The power in
      this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very carefully and
      it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other losses.
      This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It is well
      understood in EE and is the basis for switching power supplies.
      If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to call it,
      existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even magnets
      for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect the
      bucking and use it?
      There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and others
      say.
      The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini or
      Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly. There are
      transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's way.
      The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive section are
      separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
      independently as possible.

      What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that, the
      stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard Johnson said
      in his statement that under some conditions, "North will attract
      North and repel south and south poles will attract south poles and
      repeal north poles".

      Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in my
      motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned in my
      last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of the
      voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive cycle
      as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
      They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
      inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to leaving
      register.

      I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo stuff
      one finds on the web.
      Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess energy,
      it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in the
      magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.

      It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes billions or
      even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of that would
      be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on earth was
      created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged Uranium
      we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions of years
      ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
      Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
      eventually everything in the periodic table will decay backwards to
      hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
      I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist back in
      the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and back
      and the return beam was analysed and found not to have shifted at
      all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through air or
      waves travel through water, then there must have been a
      shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
      homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind that
      would affect the returned laser.

      That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.

      Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to grave
      with them instead of sharing them with humanity.

      Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.

      Regards,

      Mark


      --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Mark,
      >
      > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you seen
      Robert
      > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically what
      was
      > posted about recently.
      > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery coils
      which
      > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can deliver
      very
      > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to expand to
      do
      > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery coils at
      44.7
      > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45 degrees but
      Robert
      > did not find this to be the best position. He used the golden
      ratio
      > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the drive
      coils
      > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
      things. The
      > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled when I
      saw
      > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was between the
      coil
      > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be trying to
      > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get some time
      to
      > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and getting
      more
      > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do that
      to.
      > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using only 2
      > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
      > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed to get
      that to
      > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he did it
      with. I
      > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how they
      worked
      > but they are quite simple machines.
      >
      > markmoridi wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi all,
      > >
      > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section). I can't
      claim
      > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but I've
      seen
      > > something I can't account for.
      > >
      > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
      > >
      > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal only the
      > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest of rpm
      change,
      > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same result.
      > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the LEDs, I
      don't
      > > get half the rpm increase.
      > >
      > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in parallel
      since I
      > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost it to
      120 and
      > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what happens.
      > >
      > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder connected
      to a
      > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
      lead/lag of
      > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6 Amps.
      > >
      > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%. I've
      gone as
      > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not worth the
      > > power cost.
      > >
      > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
      expectation of
      > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these pulse
      motors.
      > >
      > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
      > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > >
      > > Mark
      > >
      > >
      >
    • Russel Prier
      Hi Mark, What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What Maimariati built was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the other coils you
      Message 2 of 12 , Aug 26, 2008
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        Hi Mark,

        What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What Maimariati built
        was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the other coils
        you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you have
        proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number of EEs
        who all started like you and took months to get to look with an open
        mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
        enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up in
        these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the magnets
        but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is not a
        perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy from an
        outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all matter is
        just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are you
        familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
        If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the later
        generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy you are
        looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like Static
        and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like energy.
        It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
        perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time it
        takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature and is
        not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on conventional
        meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this sort of
        energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the rules
        are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage but an
        opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in learning
        institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught in Uni
        you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that limited
        stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
        institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of last
        century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no future for
        there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella got
        control of the educational institutions very early on. You can see that
        if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or electrical
        science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially lost by
        being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he pulsed
        magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times greater
        than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a 1000
        times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have filing
        cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of it is at
        odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong but
        that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would never be
        arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we are all
        still learning.

        markmoridi wrote:
        >
        > Hi Russel,
        >
        > Thanks for the reply.
        >
        > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my opinion
        > based on my own experimental observations.
        > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is people are
        > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
        > psychological and ego reasons.
        > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of the
        > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it. Nothing
        > more.
        >
        > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE background
        > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
        > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set the
        > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power induced
        > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
        > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed of the
        > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
        > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals the cemf
        > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before pulsing the
        > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the cemf
        > is once again equal to the emf.
        > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power that is
        > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The power in
        > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very carefully and
        > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other losses.
        > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It is well
        > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power supplies.
        > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to call it,
        > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even magnets
        > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect the
        > bucking and use it?
        > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and others
        > say.
        > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini or
        > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly. There are
        > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's way.
        > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive section are
        > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
        > independently as possible.
        >
        > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that, the
        > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard Johnson said
        > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will attract
        > North and repel south and south poles will attract south poles and
        > repeal north poles".
        >
        > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in my
        > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned in my
        > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of the
        > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive cycle
        > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
        > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
        > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to leaving
        > register.
        >
        > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo stuff
        > one finds on the web.
        > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess energy,
        > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in the
        > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
        >
        > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes billions or
        > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of that would
        > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on earth was
        > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged Uranium
        > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions of years
        > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
        > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
        > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay backwards to
        > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
        > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist back in
        > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and back
        > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have shifted at
        > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through air or
        > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
        > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
        > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind that
        > would affect the returned laser.
        >
        > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
        >
        > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to grave
        > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
        >
        > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
        >
        > Regards,
        >
        > Mark
        >
        > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
        > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi Mark,
        > >
        > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you seen
        > Robert
        > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically what
        > was
        > > posted about recently.
        > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery coils
        > which
        > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can deliver
        > very
        > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to expand to
        > do
        > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery coils at
        > 44.7
        > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45 degrees but
        > Robert
        > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the golden
        > ratio
        > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the drive
        > coils
        > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
        > things. The
        > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled when I
        > saw
        > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was between the
        > coil
        > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be trying to
        > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get some time
        > to
        > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and getting
        > more
        > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do that
        > to.
        > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using only 2
        > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
        > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed to get
        > that to
        > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he did it
        > with. I
        > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how they
        > worked
        > > but they are quite simple machines.
        > >
        > > markmoridi wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Hi all,
        > > >
        > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section). I can't
        > claim
        > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but I've
        > seen
        > > > something I can't account for.
        > > >
        > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
        > > >
        > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal only the
        > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest of rpm
        > change,
        > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same result.
        > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the LEDs, I
        > don't
        > > > get half the rpm increase.
        > > >
        > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in parallel
        > since I
        > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost it to
        > 120 and
        > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what happens.
        > > >
        > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder connected
        > to a
        > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
        > lead/lag of
        > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6 Amps.
        > > >
        > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%. I've
        > gone as
        > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not worth the
        > > > power cost.
        > > >
        > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
        > expectation of
        > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these pulse
        > motors.
        > > >
        > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
        > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
        > > >
        > > > Thanks.
        > > >
        > > > Regards,
        > > >
        > > > Mark
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        >
      • markmoridi
        Hi Russel, I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just cautious and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need to see this
        Message 3 of 12 , Aug 26, 2008
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          Hi Russel,

          I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just cautious
          and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need to
          see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
          As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
          opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a dream
          of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort of
          philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
          crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
          life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
          years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
          find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not. Period.

          I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
          meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
          measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical would
          be ideal.

          Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The first
          ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not enough
          current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
          have all 4 installed.
          The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs difference
          between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at 38
          volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-3000
          RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
          120v.
          I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
          happens.

          Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in series
          and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that I
          could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
          this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts with
          these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which would
          be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
          Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
          than input? would it be more complicated than this?

          I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
          sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to work
          with LA batteries?

          How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't measure
          it?
          Is thermally the only way?

          Thanks

          --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi Mark,
          >
          > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What Maimariati
          built
          > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the other
          coils
          > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
          have
          > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number of
          EEs
          > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
          open
          > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
          > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up in
          > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
          magnets
          > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is not
          a
          > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
          from an
          > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
          matter is
          > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
          you
          > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
          > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
          later
          > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy you
          are
          > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
          Static
          > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
          energy.
          > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
          > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
          it
          > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
          and is
          > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
          conventional
          > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
          sort of
          > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
          rules
          > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage but
          an
          > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
          learning
          > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught in
          Uni
          > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that limited
          > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
          > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
          last
          > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no future
          for
          > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella got
          > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can see
          that
          > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
          electrical
          > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
          lost by
          > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
          pulsed
          > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
          greater
          > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
          1000
          > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
          filing
          > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of it is
          at
          > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
          but
          > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would never
          be
          > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we are
          all
          > still learning.
          >
          > markmoridi wrote:
          > >
          > > Hi Russel,
          > >
          > > Thanks for the reply.
          > >
          > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
          opinion
          > > based on my own experimental observations.
          > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is people are
          > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
          > > psychological and ego reasons.
          > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of the
          > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
          Nothing
          > > more.
          > >
          > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE background
          > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
          > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set the
          > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
          induced
          > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
          > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed of
          the
          > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
          > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals the
          cemf
          > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before pulsing
          the
          > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
          cemf
          > > is once again equal to the emf.
          > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power that is
          > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
          power in
          > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very carefully
          and
          > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
          losses.
          > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It is
          well
          > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power supplies.
          > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to call
          it,
          > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even magnets
          > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect the
          > > bucking and use it?
          > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
          others
          > > say.
          > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini or
          > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly. There
          are
          > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's way.
          > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive section
          are
          > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
          > > independently as possible.
          > >
          > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that, the
          > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard Johnson
          said
          > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will attract
          > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south poles and
          > > repeal north poles".
          > >
          > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in my
          > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned in my
          > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of the
          > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
          cycle
          > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
          > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
          > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
          leaving
          > > register.
          > >
          > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
          stuff
          > > one finds on the web.
          > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
          energy,
          > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in the
          > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
          > >
          > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes billions
          or
          > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of that
          would
          > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on earth was
          > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
          Uranium
          > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions of
          years
          > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
          > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
          > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay backwards
          to
          > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
          > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist back
          in
          > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
          back
          > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have shifted at
          > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
          air or
          > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
          > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
          > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind that
          > > would affect the returned laser.
          > >
          > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
          > >
          > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
          grave
          > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
          > >
          > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > >
          > > Mark
          > >
          > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
          > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
          wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Hi Mark,
          > > >
          > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you seen
          > > Robert
          > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically what
          > > was
          > > > posted about recently.
          > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
          coils
          > > which
          > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can deliver
          > > very
          > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to expand
          to
          > > do
          > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery coils
          at
          > > 44.7
          > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45 degrees
          but
          > > Robert
          > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the golden
          > > ratio
          > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the drive
          > > coils
          > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
          > > things. The
          > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled when
          I
          > > saw
          > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was between
          the
          > > coil
          > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be trying to
          > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get some
          time
          > > to
          > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
          getting
          > > more
          > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
          that
          > > to.
          > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
          only 2
          > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
          > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed to get
          > > that to
          > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he did it
          > > with. I
          > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how they
          > > worked
          > > > but they are quite simple machines.
          > > >
          > > > markmoridi wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > Hi all,
          > > > >
          > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section). I
          can't
          > > claim
          > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but I've
          > > seen
          > > > > something I can't account for.
          > > > >
          > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
          > > > >
          > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
          only the
          > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest of
          rpm
          > > change,
          > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same result.
          > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
          LEDs, I
          > > don't
          > > > > get half the rpm increase.
          > > > >
          > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
          parallel
          > > since I
          > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost it to
          > > 120 and
          > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what happens.
          > > > >
          > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
          connected
          > > to a
          > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
          > > lead/lag of
          > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
          Amps.
          > > > >
          > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%. I've
          > > gone as
          > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
          worth the
          > > > > power cost.
          > > > >
          > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
          > > expectation of
          > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
          pulse
          > > motors.
          > > > >
          > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
          > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
          > > > >
          > > > > Thanks.
          > > > >
          > > > > Regards,
          > > > >
          > > > > Mark
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          >
        • Russel Prier
          Hi Mark, I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the coils in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you store a fair
          Message 4 of 12 , Aug 26, 2008
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            Hi Mark,

            I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the coils
            in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you store a
            fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge them and
            time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a positive
            kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar things as
            this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get with a
            rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
            accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes you can
            charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
            discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
            slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
            probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify it
            into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
            machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously without
            any input once they were running.
            There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these have
            been lost unfortunately.

            markmoridi wrote:
            >
            > Hi Russel,
            >
            > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just cautious
            > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need to
            > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
            > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
            > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a dream
            > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort of
            > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
            > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
            > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
            > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
            > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not. Period.
            >
            > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
            > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
            > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical would
            > be ideal.
            >
            > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The first
            > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not enough
            > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
            > have all 4 installed.
            > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs difference
            > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at 38
            > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-3000
            > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
            > 120v.
            > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
            > happens.
            >
            > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in series
            > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that I
            > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
            > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts with
            > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which would
            > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
            > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
            > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
            >
            > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
            > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to work
            > with LA batteries?
            >
            > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't measure
            > it?
            > Is thermally the only way?
            >
            > Thanks
            >
            > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hi Mark,
            > >
            > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What Maimariati
            > built
            > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the other
            > coils
            > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
            > have
            > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number of
            > EEs
            > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
            > open
            > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
            > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up in
            > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
            > magnets
            > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is not
            > a
            > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
            > from an
            > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
            > matter is
            > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
            > you
            > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
            > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
            > later
            > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy you
            > are
            > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
            > Static
            > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
            > energy.
            > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
            > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
            > it
            > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
            > and is
            > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
            > conventional
            > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
            > sort of
            > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
            > rules
            > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage but
            > an
            > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
            > learning
            > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught in
            > Uni
            > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that limited
            > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
            > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
            > last
            > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no future
            > for
            > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella got
            > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can see
            > that
            > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
            > electrical
            > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
            > lost by
            > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
            > pulsed
            > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
            > greater
            > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
            > 1000
            > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
            > filing
            > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of it is
            > at
            > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
            > but
            > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would never
            > be
            > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we are
            > all
            > > still learning.
            > >
            > > markmoridi wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Hi Russel,
            > > >
            > > > Thanks for the reply.
            > > >
            > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
            > opinion
            > > > based on my own experimental observations.
            > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is people are
            > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
            > > > psychological and ego reasons.
            > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of the
            > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
            > Nothing
            > > > more.
            > > >
            > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE background
            > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
            > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set the
            > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
            > induced
            > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
            > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed of
            > the
            > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
            > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals the
            > cemf
            > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before pulsing
            > the
            > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
            > cemf
            > > > is once again equal to the emf.
            > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power that is
            > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
            > power in
            > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very carefully
            > and
            > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
            > losses.
            > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It is
            > well
            > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power supplies.
            > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to call
            > it,
            > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even magnets
            > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect the
            > > > bucking and use it?
            > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
            > others
            > > > say.
            > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini or
            > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly. There
            > are
            > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's way.
            > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive section
            > are
            > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
            > > > independently as possible.
            > > >
            > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that, the
            > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard Johnson
            > said
            > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will attract
            > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south poles and
            > > > repeal north poles".
            > > >
            > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in my
            > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned in my
            > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of the
            > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
            > cycle
            > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
            > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
            > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
            > leaving
            > > > register.
            > > >
            > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
            > stuff
            > > > one finds on the web.
            > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
            > energy,
            > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in the
            > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
            > > >
            > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes billions
            > or
            > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of that
            > would
            > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on earth was
            > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
            > Uranium
            > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions of
            > years
            > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
            > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
            > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay backwards
            > to
            > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
            > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist back
            > in
            > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
            > back
            > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have shifted at
            > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
            > air or
            > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
            > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
            > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind that
            > > > would affect the returned laser.
            > > >
            > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
            > > >
            > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
            > grave
            > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
            > > >
            > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
            > > >
            > > > Regards,
            > > >
            > > > Mark
            > > >
            > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
            > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
            > > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
            > wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > Hi Mark,
            > > > >
            > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you seen
            > > > Robert
            > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically what
            > > > was
            > > > > posted about recently.
            > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
            > coils
            > > > which
            > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can deliver
            > > > very
            > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to expand
            > to
            > > > do
            > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery coils
            > at
            > > > 44.7
            > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45 degrees
            > but
            > > > Robert
            > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the golden
            > > > ratio
            > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the drive
            > > > coils
            > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
            > > > things. The
            > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled when
            > I
            > > > saw
            > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was between
            > the
            > > > coil
            > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be trying to
            > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get some
            > time
            > > > to
            > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
            > getting
            > > > more
            > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
            > that
            > > > to.
            > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
            > only 2
            > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
            > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed to get
            > > > that to
            > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he did it
            > > > with. I
            > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how they
            > > > worked
            > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
            > > > >
            > > > > markmoridi wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Hi all,
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section). I
            > can't
            > > > claim
            > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but I've
            > > > seen
            > > > > > something I can't account for.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
            > only the
            > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest of
            > rpm
            > > > change,
            > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same result.
            > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
            > LEDs, I
            > > > don't
            > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
            > parallel
            > > > since I
            > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost it to
            > > > 120 and
            > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what happens.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
            > connected
            > > > to a
            > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
            > > > lead/lag of
            > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
            > Amps.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%. I've
            > > > gone as
            > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
            > worth the
            > > > > > power cost.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
            > > > expectation of
            > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
            > pulse
            > > > motors.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
            > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Thanks.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Regards,
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Mark
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
            >
          • markmoridi
            Hi Russel, Thanks for the tips. What is an inverter? surely you don t mean and dc/ac inverter! Thanks, Mark ... coils ... store a ... them and ... positive ...
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              Hi Russel,
              Thanks for the tips.
              What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!

              Thanks,

              Mark

              --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi Mark,
              >
              > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
              coils
              > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
              store a
              > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
              them and
              > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
              positive
              > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
              things as
              > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
              with a
              > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
              > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
              you can
              > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
              > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
              > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
              > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
              it
              > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
              > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
              without
              > any input once they were running.
              > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
              have
              > been lost unfortunately.
              >
              > markmoridi wrote:
              > >
              > > Hi Russel,
              > >
              > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
              cautious
              > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
              to
              > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
              > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
              > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
              dream
              > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
              of
              > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
              > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
              > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
              > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
              > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
              Period.
              > >
              > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
              > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
              > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
              would
              > > be ideal.
              > >
              > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
              first
              > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
              enough
              > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
              > > have all 4 installed.
              > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
              difference
              > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
              38
              > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
              3000
              > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
              > > 120v.
              > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
              > > happens.
              > >
              > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
              series
              > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
              I
              > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
              > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
              with
              > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
              would
              > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
              > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
              > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
              > >
              > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
              > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
              work
              > > with LA batteries?
              > >
              > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
              measure
              > > it?
              > > Is thermally the only way?
              > >
              > > Thanks
              > >
              > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
              wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hi Mark,
              > > >
              > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
              Maimariati
              > > built
              > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
              other
              > > coils
              > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
              > > have
              > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
              of
              > > EEs
              > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
              > > open
              > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
              > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
              in
              > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
              > > magnets
              > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
              not
              > > a
              > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
              > > from an
              > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
              > > matter is
              > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
              > > you
              > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
              > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
              > > later
              > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
              you
              > > are
              > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
              > > Static
              > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
              > > energy.
              > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
              > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
              > > it
              > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
              > > and is
              > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
              > > conventional
              > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
              > > sort of
              > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
              > > rules
              > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
              but
              > > an
              > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
              > > learning
              > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
              in
              > > Uni
              > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
              limited
              > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
              > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
              > > last
              > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
              future
              > > for
              > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
              got
              > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
              see
              > > that
              > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
              > > electrical
              > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
              > > lost by
              > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
              > > pulsed
              > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
              > > greater
              > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
              > > 1000
              > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
              > > filing
              > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
              it is
              > > at
              > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
              > > but
              > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
              never
              > > be
              > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
              are
              > > all
              > > > still learning.
              > > >
              > > > markmoridi wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > Hi Russel,
              > > > >
              > > > > Thanks for the reply.
              > > > >
              > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
              > > opinion
              > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
              > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
              people are
              > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
              > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
              > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
              the
              > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
              > > Nothing
              > > > > more.
              > > > >
              > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
              background
              > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
              > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
              the
              > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
              > > induced
              > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
              > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
              of
              > > the
              > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
              > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
              the
              > > cemf
              > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
              pulsing
              > > the
              > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
              > > cemf
              > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
              > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
              that is
              > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
              > > power in
              > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
              carefully
              > > and
              > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
              > > losses.
              > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
              is
              > > well
              > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
              supplies.
              > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
              call
              > > it,
              > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
              magnets
              > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
              the
              > > > > bucking and use it?
              > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
              > > others
              > > > > say.
              > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
              or
              > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
              There
              > > are
              > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
              way.
              > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
              section
              > > are
              > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
              > > > > independently as possible.
              > > > >
              > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
              the
              > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
              Johnson
              > > said
              > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
              attract
              > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
              poles and
              > > > > repeal north poles".
              > > > >
              > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
              my
              > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
              in my
              > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
              the
              > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
              > > cycle
              > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
              > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
              > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
              > > leaving
              > > > > register.
              > > > >
              > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
              > > stuff
              > > > > one finds on the web.
              > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
              > > energy,
              > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
              the
              > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
              > > > >
              > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
              billions
              > > or
              > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
              that
              > > would
              > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
              earth was
              > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
              > > Uranium
              > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
              of
              > > years
              > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
              > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
              > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
              backwards
              > > to
              > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
              > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
              back
              > > in
              > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
              > > back
              > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
              shifted at
              > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
              > > air or
              > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
              > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
              > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
              that
              > > > > would affect the returned laser.
              > > > >
              > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
              > > > >
              > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
              > > grave
              > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
              > > > >
              > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
              > > > >
              > > > > Regards,
              > > > >
              > > > > Mark
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
              > > wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Hi Mark,
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
              seen
              > > > > Robert
              > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
              what
              > > > > was
              > > > > > posted about recently.
              > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
              > > coils
              > > > > which
              > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
              deliver
              > > > > very
              > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
              expand
              > > to
              > > > > do
              > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
              coils
              > > at
              > > > > 44.7
              > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
              degrees
              > > but
              > > > > Robert
              > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
              golden
              > > > > ratio
              > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
              drive
              > > > > coils
              > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
              > > > > things. The
              > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
              when
              > > I
              > > > > saw
              > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
              between
              > > the
              > > > > coil
              > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
              trying to
              > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
              some
              > > time
              > > > > to
              > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
              > > getting
              > > > > more
              > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
              > > that
              > > > > to.
              > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
              > > only 2
              > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
              > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
              to get
              > > > > that to
              > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
              did it
              > > > > with. I
              > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
              they
              > > > > worked
              > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Hi all,
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
              I
              > > can't
              > > > > claim
              > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
              I've
              > > > > seen
              > > > > > > something I can't account for.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
              > > only the
              > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
              of
              > > rpm
              > > > > change,
              > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
              result.
              > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
              > > LEDs, I
              > > > > don't
              > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
              > > parallel
              > > > > since I
              > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
              it to
              > > > > 120 and
              > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
              happens.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
              > > connected
              > > > > to a
              > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
              > > > > lead/lag of
              > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
              > > Amps.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
              I've
              > > > > gone as
              > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
              > > worth the
              > > > > > > power cost.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
              > > > > expectation of
              > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
              > > pulse
              > > > > motors.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
              > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Thanks.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Regards,
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Mark
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Russel Prier
              Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.
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                Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to
                be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.

                markmoridi wrote:
                >
                > Hi Russel,
                > Thanks for the tips.
                > What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!
                >
                > Thanks,
                >
                > Mark
                >
                > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
                > >
                > > Hi Mark,
                > >
                > > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
                > coils
                > > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
                > store a
                > > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
                > them and
                > > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
                > positive
                > > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
                > things as
                > > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
                > with a
                > > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
                > > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
                > you can
                > > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
                > > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
                > > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
                > > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
                > it
                > > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
                > > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
                > without
                > > any input once they were running.
                > > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
                > have
                > > been lost unfortunately.
                > >
                > > markmoridi wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hi Russel,
                > > >
                > > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
                > cautious
                > > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
                > to
                > > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
                > > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
                > > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
                > dream
                > > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
                > of
                > > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
                > > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
                > > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
                > > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
                > > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
                > Period.
                > > >
                > > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
                > > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
                > > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
                > would
                > > > be ideal.
                > > >
                > > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
                > first
                > > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
                > enough
                > > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
                > > > have all 4 installed.
                > > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
                > difference
                > > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
                > 38
                > > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
                > 3000
                > > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
                > > > 120v.
                > > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
                > > > happens.
                > > >
                > > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
                > series
                > > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
                > I
                > > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
                > > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
                > with
                > > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
                > would
                > > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
                > > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
                > > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
                > > >
                > > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
                > > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
                > work
                > > > with LA batteries?
                > > >
                > > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
                > measure
                > > > it?
                > > > Is thermally the only way?
                > > >
                > > > Thanks
                > > >
                > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                > wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Hi Mark,
                > > > >
                > > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
                > Maimariati
                > > > built
                > > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
                > other
                > > > coils
                > > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
                > > > have
                > > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
                > of
                > > > EEs
                > > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
                > > > open
                > > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
                > > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
                > in
                > > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
                > > > magnets
                > > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
                > not
                > > > a
                > > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
                > > > from an
                > > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
                > > > matter is
                > > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
                > > > you
                > > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
                > > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
                > > > later
                > > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
                > you
                > > > are
                > > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
                > > > Static
                > > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
                > > > energy.
                > > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
                > > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
                > > > it
                > > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
                > > > and is
                > > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
                > > > conventional
                > > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
                > > > sort of
                > > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
                > > > rules
                > > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
                > but
                > > > an
                > > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
                > > > learning
                > > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
                > in
                > > > Uni
                > > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
                > limited
                > > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
                > > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
                > > > last
                > > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
                > future
                > > > for
                > > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
                > got
                > > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
                > see
                > > > that
                > > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
                > > > electrical
                > > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
                > > > lost by
                > > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
                > > > pulsed
                > > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
                > > > greater
                > > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
                > > > 1000
                > > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
                > > > filing
                > > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
                > it is
                > > > at
                > > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
                > > > but
                > > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
                > never
                > > > be
                > > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
                > are
                > > > all
                > > > > still learning.
                > > > >
                > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Hi Russel,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
                > > > opinion
                > > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
                > > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
                > people are
                > > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
                > > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
                > > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
                > the
                > > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
                > > > Nothing
                > > > > > more.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
                > background
                > > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
                > > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
                > the
                > > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
                > > > induced
                > > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
                > > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
                > of
                > > > the
                > > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
                > > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
                > the
                > > > cemf
                > > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
                > pulsing
                > > > the
                > > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
                > > > cemf
                > > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
                > > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
                > that is
                > > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
                > > > power in
                > > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
                > carefully
                > > > and
                > > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
                > > > losses.
                > > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
                > is
                > > > well
                > > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
                > supplies.
                > > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
                > call
                > > > it,
                > > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
                > magnets
                > > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
                > the
                > > > > > bucking and use it?
                > > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
                > > > others
                > > > > > say.
                > > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
                > or
                > > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
                > There
                > > > are
                > > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
                > way.
                > > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
                > section
                > > > are
                > > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
                > > > > > independently as possible.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
                > the
                > > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
                > Johnson
                > > > said
                > > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
                > attract
                > > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
                > poles and
                > > > > > repeal north poles".
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
                > my
                > > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
                > in my
                > > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
                > the
                > > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
                > > > cycle
                > > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
                > > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
                > > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
                > > > leaving
                > > > > > register.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
                > > > stuff
                > > > > > one finds on the web.
                > > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
                > > > energy,
                > > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
                > the
                > > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
                > billions
                > > > or
                > > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
                > that
                > > > would
                > > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
                > earth was
                > > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
                > > > Uranium
                > > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
                > of
                > > > years
                > > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
                > > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
                > > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
                > backwards
                > > > to
                > > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
                > > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
                > back
                > > > in
                > > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
                > > > back
                > > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
                > shifted at
                > > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
                > > > air or
                > > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
                > > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
                > > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
                > that
                > > > > > would affect the returned laser.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
                > > > grave
                > > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Regards,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Mark
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                > > > wrote:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
                > seen
                > > > > > Robert
                > > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
                > what
                > > > > > was
                > > > > > > posted about recently.
                > > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
                > > > coils
                > > > > > which
                > > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
                > deliver
                > > > > > very
                > > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
                > expand
                > > > to
                > > > > > do
                > > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
                > coils
                > > > at
                > > > > > 44.7
                > > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
                > degrees
                > > > but
                > > > > > Robert
                > > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
                > golden
                > > > > > ratio
                > > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
                > drive
                > > > > > coils
                > > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
                > > > > > things. The
                > > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
                > when
                > > > I
                > > > > > saw
                > > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
                > between
                > > > the
                > > > > > coil
                > > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
                > trying to
                > > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
                > some
                > > > time
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
                > > > getting
                > > > > > more
                > > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
                > > > that
                > > > > > to.
                > > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
                > > > only 2
                > > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
                > > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
                > to get
                > > > > > that to
                > > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
                > did it
                > > > > > with. I
                > > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
                > they
                > > > > > worked
                > > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Hi all,
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
                > I
                > > > can't
                > > > > > claim
                > > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
                > I've
                > > > > > seen
                > > > > > > > something I can't account for.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
                > > > only the
                > > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
                > of
                > > > rpm
                > > > > > change,
                > > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
                > result.
                > > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
                > > > LEDs, I
                > > > > > don't
                > > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
                > > > parallel
                > > > > > since I
                > > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
                > it to
                > > > > > 120 and
                > > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
                > happens.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
                > > > connected
                > > > > > to a
                > > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
                > > > > > lead/lag of
                > > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
                > > > Amps.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
                > I've
                > > > > > gone as
                > > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
                > > > worth the
                > > > > > > > power cost.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
                > > > > > expectation of
                > > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
                > > > pulse
                > > > > > motors.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
                > > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Thanks.
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Regards,
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Mark
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
                >
              • Gáva, Tamás
                Hi there! Well Russel your last comment was a bit mystical, wasn t it? Conversation at this mailing list wasn t so frequent and interesting till now as I read
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                  Hi there!

                  Well Russel your last comment was a bit mystical, wasn't it?

                  Conversation at this mailing list wasn't so frequent and interesting till now as I read this list few years ago.

                  What I mean when Mark Moridi began to write it attracted my attention. His previous technical descriptions and his last EM theoretical explanation was so detailed and well stuctured I felt for a moment that I could built a good motor myself. :) But unfortunately I know that actually I cannot...

                  I began to read about this "free energy" stuff on the internet seven years ago. I found lot of materials but very few were useful practically. As I am not an EE expert but one who is really interested in fiddling with electronic devices I wanted to find kind of a "how to build" thing. I' ve found a very good website (which was moved several times by now) describing something like a "starter kit" for home experimenting with Adams motors. It is called the "CD Adams motor". Anyone can find it just type the phrase "CD Adams motor" into Google and see.

                  This thing is a very simple setup. The only coil is timed using a hall IC. I tried to built it myself. Unfortunately timing is a crucial feature of these kind of devices so it should have been built by very strict geometrical proportions which I could not reproduce. I managed to make it spin. I could play with the position of the hall IC for timing. I don't have an oscilloscope, so I used a Windows program called "Winscope" to picture what's happening in the circuit. Unfortunately this program uses the sound card for AD conversion so the result was very far from optimal. Unfortunately my motor did not show the expected effect and I gave up.

                  Most important that the author wrote this setup could be producing all the "over unity" features that an Adams motor can do. No need for separate drive and generator coils. The author gave an important hint for simlpe checking whether the experimenter does things the right way. If the transistor (or mosfet) was heating you got it wrong. If it cooled you got it right. One can monitor this effect very simply by putting his finger on the transistor. (I think you found out by now that the transistor was heating in my motor.) The author wrote that the cooling effect is a very important feature of the device. As I can remember the explanation was at a different website (but now I don't know where) and was that in "inverted" circuits when the coils are pulsed in the right timing regiment at a critital timepoint electromagnetic fields interacting between the coils and the magnets (not NIB magnets just simple ceramic) are generating a small "time reversal" effect. During this effect energy can flow in the opposite way that entropy could normally let. So the device is drawing heat from the environment which is converted to kinetic energy of the mobile electrons. That's why the back current is higher than the input.

                  According to this another outhors of the same group of the author of the CD Adams motor site wrote at different sites that they could built stationary generators. The most important components of this device are the ceramic magnets coils and the pulsed current timed the right way. So movement is not a crucial part of the "inverse" circuit's operation.

                  I have found another site that described a "Motionless Electromagnetic Generator" abbreviated as "MEG". This site detailed the same physical effect as above and added a new electronic part which was needed to make a stationary over unity device work. This part was like a mosfet but had a special feature. It could draw and pump the inversely flowing "static" energy into the circuit by conveting it to regular current.

                  Well I think this must be the "inverter" which Russel was referring to.

                  This was the time I gave up planning experiments by myself. I thought this is not for regular people but only EE experts. I thought University staff should be examining these interesting physical phenomena and I did not understood why they keep aloof of these things. I have two university degrees. One medical and another in medical engineering. When attending the engineering courses (mostly they were electrical oriented) I tried to talk to my teachers about these phenomena but every time they began to act as they thougt I'm not really mentally healthy some kind. I really do not understand why they are so aversed of these things. There were days when most of the peolpe thought that flying for human was impossible. There were few who believed blindly that it is possible. There were most of the few who were actually crazy and done really crazy things. But then again there were few of the few who managed to figure out the way flying for human is possible and they did it quite right inspite they did not really understand the principles they are using in their machines. They were only few renegates and now scientists explore and teach these principles at Universities.

                  I think today is the same about these "inverted" circuits. Now there are just a few who recognize the importance and the future of these phenomena but few years later they will be explored and teached at Universities. The only thing you guys should do is to keep fiddling keep promoting what you do and wait the time to be excepted widely.

                  Oh and another important thing. Don't mystify the explanations. Keep it clear and logical. Don't operate with too much unproven theories and don't say "I believe". It is science not religion. You believe in the church not in science. You have to use assumptions but you must'nt say you believe or you are conserned about things that are'nt proven.

                  I think Mark Moridi does it the right way and I am really excited about what he will explore. I can't wait reading Mark's new findings.

                  Go Mark!

                  Best regards,

                  Gava, Tamas


                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
                  To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:53:12 PM
                  Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM][SPAM]Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor question

                  Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to
                  be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.

                  markmoridi wrote:

                  >
                  > Hi Russel,
                  > Thanks for the tips.
                  > What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  >
                  > Mark
                  >
                  > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                  > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@... > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Hi Mark,
                  > >
                  > > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
                  > coils
                  > > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
                  > store a
                  > > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
                  > them and
                  > > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
                  > positive
                  > > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
                  > things as
                  > > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
                  > with a
                  > > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
                  > > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
                  > you can
                  > > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
                  > > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
                  > > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
                  > > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
                  > it
                  > > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
                  > > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
                  > without
                  > > any input once they were running.
                  > > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
                  > have
                  > > been lost unfortunately.
                  > >
                  > > markmoridi wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Hi Russel,
                  > > >
                  > > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
                  > cautious
                  > > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
                  > to
                  > > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
                  > > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
                  > > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
                  > dream
                  > > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
                  > of
                  > > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
                  > > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
                  > > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
                  > > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
                  > > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
                  > Period.
                  > > >
                  > > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
                  > > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
                  > > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
                  > would
                  > > > be ideal.
                  > > >
                  > > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
                  > first
                  > > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
                  > enough
                  > > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
                  > > > have all 4 installed.
                  > > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
                  > difference
                  > > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
                  > 38
                  > > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
                  > 3000
                  > > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
                  > > > 120v.
                  > > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
                  > > > happens.
                  > > >
                  > > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
                  > series
                  > > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
                  > I
                  > > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
                  > > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
                  > with
                  > > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
                  > would
                  > > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
                  > > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
                  > > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
                  > > >
                  > > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
                  > > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
                  > work
                  > > > with LA batteries?
                  > > >
                  > > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
                  > measure
                  > > > it?
                  > > > Is thermally the only way?
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                  > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                  > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                  > wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Hi Mark,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
                  > Maimariati
                  > > > built
                  > > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
                  > other
                  > > > coils
                  > > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
                  > > > have
                  > > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
                  > of
                  > > > EEs
                  > > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
                  > > > open
                  > > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
                  > > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
                  > in
                  > > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
                  > > > magnets
                  > > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
                  > not
                  > > > a
                  > > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
                  > > > from an
                  > > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
                  > > > matter is
                  > > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
                  > > > you
                  > > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
                  > > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
                  > > > later
                  > > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
                  > you
                  > > > are
                  > > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
                  > > > Static
                  > > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
                  > > > energy.
                  > > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
                  > > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
                  > > > it
                  > > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
                  > > > and is
                  > > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
                  > > > conventional
                  > > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
                  > > > sort of
                  > > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
                  > > > rules
                  > > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
                  > but
                  > > > an
                  > > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
                  > > > learning
                  > > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
                  > in
                  > > > Uni
                  > > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
                  > limited
                  > > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
                  > > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
                  > > > last
                  > > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
                  > future
                  > > > for
                  > > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
                  > got
                  > > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
                  > see
                  > > > that
                  > > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
                  > > > electrical
                  > > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
                  > > > lost by
                  > > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
                  > > > pulsed
                  > > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
                  > > > greater
                  > > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
                  > > > 1000
                  > > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
                  > > > filing
                  > > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
                  > it is
                  > > > at
                  > > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
                  > > > but
                  > > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
                  > never
                  > > > be
                  > > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
                  > are
                  > > > all
                  > > > > still learning.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Hi Russel,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
                  > > > opinion
                  > > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
                  > > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
                  > people are
                  > > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
                  > > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
                  > > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
                  > the
                  > > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
                  > > > Nothing
                  > > > > > more.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
                  > background
                  > > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
                  > > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
                  > the
                  > > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
                  > > > induced
                  > > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
                  > > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
                  > of
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
                  > > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
                  > the
                  > > > cemf
                  > > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
                  > pulsing
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
                  > > > cemf
                  > > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
                  > > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
                  > that is
                  > > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
                  > > > power in
                  > > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
                  > carefully
                  > > > and
                  > > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
                  > > > losses.
                  > > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
                  > is
                  > > > well
                  > > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
                  > supplies.
                  > > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
                  > call
                  > > > it,
                  > > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
                  > magnets
                  > > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
                  > the
                  > > > > > bucking and use it?
                  > > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
                  > > > others
                  > > > > > say.
                  > > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
                  > or
                  > > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
                  > There
                  > > > are
                  > > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
                  > way.
                  > > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
                  > section
                  > > > are
                  > > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
                  > > > > > independently as possible.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
                  > the
                  > > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
                  > Johnson
                  > > > said
                  > > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
                  > attract
                  > > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
                  > poles and
                  > > > > > repeal north poles".
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
                  > my
                  > > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
                  > in my
                  > > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
                  > the
                  > > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
                  > > > cycle
                  > > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
                  > > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
                  > > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
                  > > > leaving
                  > > > > > register.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
                  > > > stuff
                  > > > > > one finds on the web.
                  > > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
                  > > > energy,
                  > > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
                  > the
                  > > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
                  > billions
                  > > > or
                  > > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
                  > that
                  > > > would
                  > > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
                  > earth was
                  > > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
                  > > > Uranium
                  > > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
                  > of
                  > > > years
                  > > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
                  > > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
                  > > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
                  > backwards
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
                  > > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
                  > back
                  > > > in
                  > > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
                  > > > back
                  > > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
                  > shifted at
                  > > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
                  > > > air or
                  > > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
                  > > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
                  > > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
                  > that
                  > > > > > would affect the returned laser.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
                  > > > grave
                  > > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Regards,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Mark
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                  > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                  > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                  > > > wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
                  > seen
                  > > > > > Robert
                  > > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
                  > what
                  > > > > > was
                  > > > > > > posted about recently.
                  > > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
                  > > > coils
                  > > > > > which
                  > > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
                  > deliver
                  > > > > > very
                  > > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
                  > expand
                  > > > to
                  > > > > > do
                  > > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
                  > coils
                  > > > at
                  > > > > > 44.7
                  > > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
                  > degrees
                  > > > but
                  > > > > > Robert
                  > > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
                  > golden
                  > > > > > ratio
                  > > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
                  > drive
                  > > > > > coils
                  > > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
                  > > > > > things. The
                  > > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
                  > when
                  > > > I
                  > > > > > saw
                  > > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
                  > between
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > coil
                  > > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
                  > trying to
                  > > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
                  > some
                  > > > time
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
                  > > > getting
                  > > > > > more
                  > > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
                  > > > that
                  > > > > > to.
                  > > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
                  > > > only 2
                  > > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
                  > > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
                  > to get
                  > > > > > that to
                  > > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
                  > did it
                  > > > > > with. I
                  > > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
                  > they
                  > > > > > worked
                  > > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Hi all,
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
                  > I
                  > > > can't
                  > > > > > claim
                  > > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
                  > I've
                  > > > > > seen
                  > > > > > > > something I can't account for.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
                  > > > only the
                  > > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
                  > of
                  > > > rpm
                  > > > > > change,
                  > > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
                  > result.
                  > > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
                  > > > LEDs, I
                  > > > > > don't
                  > > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
                  > > > parallel
                  > > > > > since I
                  > > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
                  > it to
                  > > > > > 120 and
                  > > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
                  > happens.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
                  > > > connected
                  > > > > > to a
                  > > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
                  > > > > > lead/lag of
                  > > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
                  > > > Amps.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
                  > I've
                  > > > > > gone as
                  > > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
                  > > > worth the
                  > > > > > > > power cost.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
                  > > > > > expectation of
                  > > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
                  > > > pulse
                  > > > > > motors.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
                  > > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Thanks.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Regards,
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Mark
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >


                • Russel Prier
                  Hi Tamas, Why dont you try building the Bedini schoolgirl motor to start with. Wind the bifilla coil with 24 gauge and 28 gauge wire and the timing will take
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                    Hi Tamas,

                    Why dont you try building the Bedini schoolgirl motor to start with.
                    Wind the bifilla coil with 24 gauge and 28 gauge wire and the timing
                    will take care of itself. It is not as powerful a generator as an
                    Adamsmotor but will be easier to get running and give you a good
                    starting point to build your knowleedge and experience form. I am a
                    machinist not skilled in electronics either.

                    All the best Russ P.


                    Gáva wrote:
                    > Hi there!
                    >
                    > Well Russel your last comment was a bit mystical, wasn't it?
                    >
                    > Conversation at this mailing list wasn't so frequent and interesting
                    > till now as I read this list few years ago.
                    >
                    > What I mean when Mark Moridi began to write it attracted my attention.
                    > His previous technical descriptions and his last EM theoretical
                    > explanation was so detailed and well stuctured I felt for a moment
                    > that I could built a good motor myself. :) But unfortunately I know
                    > that actually I cannot...
                    >
                    > I began to read about this "free energy" stuff on the internet seven
                    > years ago. I found lot of materials but very few were useful
                    > practically. As I am not an EE expert but one who is really interested
                    > in fiddling with electronic devices I wanted to find kind of a "how to
                    > build" thing. I' ve found a very good website (which was moved several
                    > times by now) describing something like a "starter kit" for home
                    > experimenting with Adams motors. It is called the "CD Adams motor".
                    > Anyone can find it just type the phrase "CD Adams motor" into Google
                    > and see.
                    >
                    > This thing is a very simple setup. The only coil is timed using a hall
                    > IC. I tried to built it myself. Unfortunately timing is a crucial
                    > feature of these kind of devices so it should have been built by very
                    > strict geometrical proportions which I could not reproduce. I managed
                    > to make it spin. I could play with the position of the hall IC for
                    > timing. I don't have an oscilloscope, so I used a Windows program
                    > called "Winscope" to picture what's happening in the circuit.
                    > Unfortunately this program uses the sound card for AD conversion so
                    > the result was very far from optimal. Unfortunately my motor did not
                    > show the expected effect and I gave up.
                    >
                    > Most important that the author wrote this setup could be producing all
                    > the "over unity" features that an Adams motor can do. No need for
                    > separate drive and generator coils. The author gave an important hint
                    > for simlpe checking whether the experimenter does things the right
                    > way. If the transistor (or mosfet) was heating you got it wrong. If it
                    > cooled you got it right. One can monitor this effect very simply by
                    > putting his finger on the transistor. (I think you found out by now
                    > that the transistor was heating in my motor.) The author wrote that
                    > the cooling effect is a very important feature of the device. As I can
                    > remember the explanation was at a different website (but now I don't
                    > know where) and was that in "inverted" circuits when the coils are
                    > pulsed in the right timing regiment at a critital timepoint
                    > electromagnetic fields interacting between the coils and the magnets
                    > (not NIB magnets just simple ceramic) are generating a small "time
                    > reversal" effect. During this effect energy can flow in the opposite
                    > way that entropy could normally let. So the device is drawing heat
                    > from the environment which is converted to kinetic energy of the
                    > mobile electrons. That's why the back current is higher than the input.
                    >
                    > According to this another outhors of the same group of the author of
                    > the CD Adams motor site wrote at different sites that they could built
                    > stationary generators. The most important components of this device
                    > are the ceramic magnets coils and the pulsed current timed the right
                    > way. So movement is not a crucial part of the "inverse" circuit's
                    > operation.
                    >
                    > I have found another site that described a "Motionless Electromagnetic
                    > Generator" abbreviated as "MEG". This site detailed the same physical
                    > effect as above and added a new electronic part which was needed to
                    > make a stationary over unity device work. This part was like a mosfet
                    > but had a special feature. It could draw and pump the inversely
                    > flowing "static" energy into the circuit by conveting it to regular
                    > current.
                    >
                    > Well I think this must be the "inverter" which Russel was referring to.
                    >
                    > This was the time I gave up planning experiments by myself. I thought
                    > this is not for regular people but only EE experts. I thought
                    > University staff should be examining these interesting physical
                    > phenomena and I did not understood why they keep aloof of these
                    > things. I have two university degrees. One medical and another in
                    > medical engineering. When attending the engineering courses (mostly
                    > they were electrical oriented) I tried to talk to my teachers about
                    > these phenomena but every time they began to act as they thougt I'm
                    > not really mentally healthy some kind. I really do not understand why
                    > they are so aversed of these things. There were days when most of the
                    > peolpe thought that flying for human was impossible. There were few
                    > who believed blindly that it is possible. There were most of the few
                    > who were actually crazy and done really crazy things. But then again
                    > there were few of the few who managed to figure out the way flying for
                    > human is possible and they did it quite right inspite they did not
                    > really understand the principles they are using in their machines.
                    > They were only few renegates and now scientists explore and teach
                    > these principles at Universities.
                    >
                    > I think today is the same about these "inverted" circuits. Now there
                    > are just a few who recognize the importance and the future of these
                    > phenomena but few years later they will be explored and teached at
                    > Universities. The only thing you guys should do is to keep fiddling
                    > keep promoting what you do and wait the time to be excepted widely.
                    >
                    > Oh and another important thing. Don't mystify the explanations. Keep
                    > it clear and logical. Don't operate with too much unproven theories
                    > and don't say "I believe". It is science not religion. You believe in
                    > the church not in science. You have to use assumptions but you must'nt
                    > say you believe or you are conserned about things that are'nt proven.
                    >
                    > I think Mark Moridi does it the right way and I am really excited
                    > about what he will explore. I can't wait reading Mark's new findings.
                    >
                    > Go Mark!
                    >
                    > Best regards,
                    >
                    > Gava, Tamas
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message ----
                    > From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
                    > To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:53:12 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM][SPAM]Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor question
                    >
                    > Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to
                    > be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.
                    >
                    > markmoridi wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Hi Russel,
                    > > Thanks for the tips.
                    > > What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!
                    > >
                    > > Thanks,
                    > >
                    > > Mark
                    > >
                    > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                    > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@... >
                    > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hi Mark,
                    > > >
                    > > > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
                    > > coils
                    > > > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
                    > > store a
                    > > > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
                    > > them and
                    > > > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
                    > > positive
                    > > > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
                    > > things as
                    > > > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
                    > > with a
                    > > > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
                    > > > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
                    > > you can
                    > > > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
                    > > > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
                    > > > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
                    > > > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
                    > > it
                    > > > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
                    > > > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
                    > > without
                    > > > any input once they were running.
                    > > > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
                    > > have
                    > > > been lost unfortunately.
                    > > >
                    > > > markmoridi wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hi Russel,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
                    > > cautious
                    > > > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
                    > > to
                    > > > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
                    > > > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
                    > > > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
                    > > dream
                    > > > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
                    > > of
                    > > > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
                    > > > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
                    > > > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
                    > > > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
                    > > > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
                    > > Period.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
                    > > > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
                    > > > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
                    > > would
                    > > > > be ideal.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
                    > > first
                    > > > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
                    > > enough
                    > > > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
                    > > > > have all 4 installed.
                    > > > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
                    > > difference
                    > > > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
                    > > 38
                    > > > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
                    > > 3000
                    > > > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
                    > > > > 120v.
                    > > > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
                    > > > > happens.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
                    > > series
                    > > > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
                    > > I
                    > > > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
                    > > > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
                    > > with
                    > > > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
                    > > would
                    > > > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
                    > > > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
                    > > > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
                    > > > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
                    > > work
                    > > > > with LA batteries?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
                    > > measure
                    > > > > it?
                    > > > > Is thermally the only way?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                    > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                    > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                    > > wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi Mark,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
                    > > Maimariati
                    > > > > built
                    > > > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
                    > > other
                    > > > > coils
                    > > > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
                    > > > > have
                    > > > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
                    > > of
                    > > > > EEs
                    > > > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
                    > > > > open
                    > > > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
                    > > > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
                    > > in
                    > > > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
                    > > > > magnets
                    > > > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
                    > > not
                    > > > > a
                    > > > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
                    > > > > from an
                    > > > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
                    > > > > matter is
                    > > > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
                    > > > > you
                    > > > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
                    > > > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
                    > > > > later
                    > > > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
                    > > you
                    > > > > are
                    > > > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
                    > > > > Static
                    > > > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
                    > > > > energy.
                    > > > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
                    > > > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
                    > > > > it
                    > > > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
                    > > > > and is
                    > > > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
                    > > > > conventional
                    > > > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
                    > > > > sort of
                    > > > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
                    > > > > rules
                    > > > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
                    > > but
                    > > > > an
                    > > > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
                    > > > > learning
                    > > > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
                    > > in
                    > > > > Uni
                    > > > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
                    > > limited
                    > > > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
                    > > > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
                    > > > > last
                    > > > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
                    > > future
                    > > > > for
                    > > > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
                    > > got
                    > > > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
                    > > see
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
                    > > > > electrical
                    > > > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
                    > > > > lost by
                    > > > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
                    > > > > pulsed
                    > > > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
                    > > > > greater
                    > > > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
                    > > > > 1000
                    > > > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
                    > > > > filing
                    > > > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
                    > > it is
                    > > > > at
                    > > > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
                    > > > > but
                    > > > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
                    > > never
                    > > > > be
                    > > > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
                    > > are
                    > > > > all
                    > > > > > still learning.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Hi Russel,
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
                    > > > > opinion
                    > > > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
                    > > > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
                    > > people are
                    > > > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
                    > > > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
                    > > > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
                    > > > > Nothing
                    > > > > > > more.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
                    > > background
                    > > > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
                    > > > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
                    > > > > induced
                    > > > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
                    > > > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
                    > > of
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
                    > > > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
                    > > the
                    > > > > cemf
                    > > > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
                    > > pulsing
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
                    > > > > cemf
                    > > > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
                    > > > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
                    > > that is
                    > > > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
                    > > > > power in
                    > > > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
                    > > carefully
                    > > > > and
                    > > > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
                    > > > > losses.
                    > > > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
                    > > is
                    > > > > well
                    > > > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
                    > > supplies.
                    > > > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
                    > > call
                    > > > > it,
                    > > > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
                    > > magnets
                    > > > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > bucking and use it?
                    > > > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
                    > > > > others
                    > > > > > > say.
                    > > > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
                    > > or
                    > > > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
                    > > There
                    > > > > are
                    > > > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
                    > > way.
                    > > > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
                    > > section
                    > > > > are
                    > > > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
                    > > > > > > independently as possible.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
                    > > Johnson
                    > > > > said
                    > > > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
                    > > attract
                    > > > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
                    > > poles and
                    > > > > > > repeal north poles".
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
                    > > my
                    > > > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
                    > > in my
                    > > > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
                    > > > > cycle
                    > > > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
                    > > > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
                    > > > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
                    > > > > leaving
                    > > > > > > register.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
                    > > > > stuff
                    > > > > > > one finds on the web.
                    > > > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
                    > > > > energy,
                    > > > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
                    > > the
                    > > > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
                    > > billions
                    > > > > or
                    > > > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
                    > > that
                    > > > > would
                    > > > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
                    > > earth was
                    > > > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
                    > > > > Uranium
                    > > > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
                    > > of
                    > > > > years
                    > > > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
                    > > > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
                    > > > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
                    > > backwards
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
                    > > > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
                    > > back
                    > > > > in
                    > > > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
                    > > > > back
                    > > > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
                    > > shifted at
                    > > > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
                    > > > > air or
                    > > > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
                    > > > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
                    > > > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
                    > > that
                    > > > > > > would affect the returned laser.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
                    > > > > grave
                    > > > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Mark
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                    > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                    > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                    > > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                    > > > > wrote:
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
                    > > seen
                    > > > > > > Robert
                    > > > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
                    > > what
                    > > > > > > was
                    > > > > > > > posted about recently.
                    > > > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
                    > > > > coils
                    > > > > > > which
                    > > > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
                    > > deliver
                    > > > > > > very
                    > > > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
                    > > expand
                    > > > > to
                    > > > > > > do
                    > > > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
                    > > coils
                    > > > > at
                    > > > > > > 44.7
                    > > > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
                    > > degrees
                    > > > > but
                    > > > > > > Robert
                    > > > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
                    > > golden
                    > > > > > > ratio
                    > > > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
                    > > drive
                    > > > > > > coils
                    > > > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
                    > > > > > > things. The
                    > > > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
                    > > when
                    > > > > I
                    > > > > > > saw
                    > > > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
                    > > between
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > > > coil
                    > > > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
                    > > trying to
                    > > > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
                    > > some
                    > > > > time
                    > > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
                    > > > > getting
                    > > > > > > more
                    > > > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > > > to.
                    > > > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
                    > > > > only 2
                    > > > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
                    > > > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
                    > > to get
                    > > > > > > that to
                    > > > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
                    > > did it
                    > > > > > > with. I
                    > > > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
                    > > they
                    > > > > > > worked
                    > > > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Hi all,
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
                    > > I
                    > > > > can't
                    > > > > > > claim
                    > > > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
                    > > I've
                    > > > > > > seen
                    > > > > > > > > something I can't account for.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
                    > > > > only the
                    > > > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
                    > > of
                    > > > > rpm
                    > > > > > > change,
                    > > > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
                    > > result.
                    > > > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
                    > > > > LEDs, I
                    > > > > > > don't
                    > > > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
                    > > > > parallel
                    > > > > > > since I
                    > > > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
                    > > it to
                    > > > > > > 120 and
                    > > > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
                    > > happens.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
                    > > > > connected
                    > > > > > > to a
                    > > > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
                    > > > > > > lead/lag of
                    > > > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
                    > > > > Amps.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
                    > > I've
                    > > > > > > gone as
                    > > > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
                    > > > > worth the
                    > > > > > > > > power cost.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
                    > > > > > > expectation of
                    > > > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
                    > > > > pulse
                    > > > > > > motors.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
                    > > > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Thanks.
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Mark
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • markmoridi
                    Hi Gava, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I was after free energy at the beginning. At this point, I ll settle for the unusual. I see a couple of strange
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                      Hi Gava,

                       

                      Thanks for the vote of confidence.

                       

                      I was after free energy at the beginning. At this point, I'll settle for the unusual.

                       

                      I see a couple of strange stuff in his mot/gen. Such as;

                      1-      Why is one side of the power sine wave more powerful than the other (Positive cycle 35v, neg cycle 23v).

                      2-      Why does the rotor speed up when I draw power from one cycle (positive) or short out the gens but not as much for the other side (Neg. cycle)?

                      I've got a gut feeling these two are related somehow.

                       

                      Here is some data from my setup.

                      Supply voltage: 40v

                      Pulse width: 25%

                      Recoil voltage: 1200v.

                      Max CEMF: 63v

                      Power input: 4000mW (4 W) measured with a current probe on a scope.

                      Power output: 100mW (0.1 W) +/- 5% Measured with a true RMS multimeter across a small 12v light bulb .

                      4 Gens in series open voltage: 40.8v

                      Ambient Temp: 21.1C (Fluke infrared thermometer +/- 0.1C)

                      Drive stator temp with gens fully loaded: 22.2C

                      Gen temp fully loaded: 21.8C

                       

                      No gens installed (just 2 drive stators)                       970 RPM

                       

                      No load on 4 gens installed                                        316.41 RPM

                      Stealing only the positive cycle from the gens           389.65 RPM                23% increase

                      Stealing only the negative cycle from the gens          348.63 RPM                10% increase

                      Shorting out the gens                                                  398.44 RPM                26% increase

                       

                      Can anyone explain why this is happening?

                      I need to answer this before I can move on to other experiments.

                      Come on guys, there is over 130 of you out there. Think man, think...

                       

                      Regards,

                       

                      Mark


                      --- In adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com, Russel Prier <russelp@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Tamas,
                      >
                      > Why dont you try building the Bedini schoolgirl motor to start with.
                      > Wind the bifilla coil with 24 gauge and 28 gauge wire and the timing
                      > will take care of itself. It is not as powerful a generator as an
                      > Adamsmotor but will be easier to get running and give you a good
                      > starting point to build your knowleedge and experience form. I am a
                      > machinist not skilled in electronics either.
                      >
                      > All the best Russ P.
                      >
                      >
                      > Gáva wrote:
                      > > Hi there!
                      > >
                      > > Well Russel your last comment was a bit mystical, wasn't it?
                      > >
                      > > Conversation at this mailing list wasn't so frequent and interesting
                      > > till now as I read this list few years ago.
                      > >
                      > > What I mean when Mark Moridi began to write it attracted my attention.
                      > > His previous technical descriptions and his last EM theoretical
                      > > explanation was so detailed and well stuctured I felt for a moment
                      > > that I could built a good motor myself. :) But unfortunately I know
                      > > that actually I cannot...
                      > >
                      > > I began to read about this "free energy" stuff on the internet seven
                      > > years ago. I found lot of materials but very few were useful
                      > > practically. As I am not an EE expert but one who is really interested
                      > > in fiddling with electronic devices I wanted to find kind of a "how to
                      > > build" thing. I' ve found a very good website (which was moved several
                      > > times by now) describing something like a "starter kit" for home
                      > > experimenting with Adams motors. It is called the "CD Adams motor".
                      > > Anyone can find it just type the phrase "CD Adams motor" into Google
                      > > and see.
                      > >
                      > > This thing is a very simple setup. The only coil is timed using a hall
                      > > IC. I tried to built it myself. Unfortunately timing is a crucial
                      > > feature of these kind of devices so it should have been built by very
                      > > strict geometrical proportions which I could not reproduce. I managed
                      > > to make it spin. I could play with the position of the hall IC for
                      > > timing. I don't have an oscilloscope, so I used a Windows program
                      > > called "Winscope" to picture what's happening in the circuit.
                      > > Unfortunately this program uses the sound card for AD conversion so
                      > > the result was very far from optimal. Unfortunately my motor did not
                      > > show the expected effect and I gave up.
                      > >
                      > > Most important that the author wrote this setup could be producing all
                      > > the "over unity" features that an Adams motor can do. No need for
                      > > separate drive and generator coils. The author gave an important hint
                      > > for simlpe checking whether the experimenter does things the right
                      > > way. If the transistor (or mosfet) was heating you got it wrong. If it
                      > > cooled you got it right. One can monitor this effect very simply by
                      > > putting his finger on the transistor. (I think you found out by now
                      > > that the transistor was heating in my motor.) The author wrote that
                      > > the cooling effect is a very important feature of the device. As I can
                      > > remember the explanation was at a different website (but now I don't
                      > > know where) and was that in "inverted" circuits when the coils are
                      > > pulsed in the right timing regiment at a critital timepoint
                      > > electromagnetic fields interacting between the coils and the magnets
                      > > (not NIB magnets just simple ceramic) are generating a small "time
                      > > reversal" effect. During this effect energy can flow in the opposite
                      > > way that entropy could normally let. So the device is drawing heat
                      > > from the environment which is converted to kinetic energy of the
                      > > mobile electrons. That's why the back current is higher than the input.
                      > >
                      > > According to this another outhors of the same group of the author of
                      > > the CD Adams motor site wrote at different sites that they could built
                      > > stationary generators. The most important components of this device
                      > > are the ceramic magnets coils and the pulsed current timed the right
                      > > way. So movement is not a crucial part of the "inverse" circuit's
                      > > operation.
                      > >
                      > > I have found another site that described a "Motionless Electromagnetic
                      > > Generator" abbreviated as "MEG". This site detailed the same physical
                      > > effect as above and added a new electronic part which was needed to
                      > > make a stationary over unity device work. This part was like a mosfet
                      > > but had a special feature. It could draw and pump the inversely
                      > > flowing "static" energy into the circuit by conveting it to regular
                      > > current.
                      > >
                      > > Well I think this must be the "inverter" which Russel was referring to.
                      > >
                      > > This was the time I gave up planning experiments by myself. I thought
                      > > this is not for regular people but only EE experts. I thought
                      > > University staff should be examining these interesting physical
                      > > phenomena and I did not understood why they keep aloof of these
                      > > things. I have two university degrees. One medical and another in
                      > > medical engineering. When attending the engineering courses (mostly
                      > > they were electrical oriented) I tried to talk to my teachers about
                      > > these phenomena but every time they began to act as they thougt I'm
                      > > not really mentally healthy some kind. I really do not understand why
                      > > they are so aversed of these things. There were days when most of the
                      > > peolpe thought that flying for human was impossible. There were few
                      > > who believed blindly that it is possible. There were most of the few
                      > > who were actually crazy and done really crazy things. But then again
                      > > there were few of the few who managed to figure out the way flying for
                      > > human is possible and they did it quite right inspite they did not
                      > > really understand the principles they are using in their machines.
                      > > They were only few renegates and now scientists explore and teach
                      > > these principles at Universities.
                      > >
                      > > I think today is the same about these "inverted" circuits. Now there
                      > > are just a few who recognize the importance and the future of these
                      > > phenomena but few years later they will be explored and teached at
                      > > Universities. The only thing you guys should do is to keep fiddling
                      > > keep promoting what you do and wait the time to be excepted widely.
                      > >
                      > > Oh and another important thing. Don't mystify the explanations. Keep
                      > > it clear and logical. Don't operate with too much unproven theories
                      > > and don't say "I believe". It is science not religion. You believe in
                      > > the church not in science. You have to use assumptions but you must'nt
                      > > say you believe or you are conserned about things that are'nt proven.
                      > >
                      > > I think Mark Moridi does it the right way and I am really excited
                      > > about what he will explore. I can't wait reading Mark's new findings.
                      > >
                      > > Go Mark!
                      > >
                      > > Best regards,
                      > >
                      > > Gava, Tamas
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > From: Russel Prier russelp@...
                      > > To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:53:12 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM][SPAM]Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor question
                      > >
                      > > Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to
                      > > be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.
                      > >
                      > > markmoridi wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Hi Russel,
                      > > > Thanks for the tips.
                      > > > What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks,
                      > > >
                      > > > Mark
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier russelp@ >
                      > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hi Mark,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
                      > > > coils
                      > > > > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
                      > > > store a
                      > > > > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
                      > > > them and
                      > > > > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
                      > > > positive
                      > > > > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
                      > > > things as
                      > > > > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
                      > > > with a
                      > > > > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
                      > > > > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
                      > > > you can
                      > > > > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
                      > > > > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
                      > > > > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
                      > > > > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
                      > > > it
                      > > > > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
                      > > > > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
                      > > > without
                      > > > > any input once they were running.
                      > > > > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
                      > > > have
                      > > > > been lost unfortunately.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi Russel,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
                      > > > cautious
                      > > > > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
                      > > > to
                      > > > > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
                      > > > > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
                      > > > > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
                      > > > dream
                      > > > > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
                      > > > > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
                      > > > > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
                      > > > > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
                      > > > > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
                      > > > Period.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
                      > > > > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
                      > > > > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
                      > > > would
                      > > > > > be ideal.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
                      > > > first
                      > > > > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
                      > > > enough
                      > > > > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
                      > > > > > have all 4 installed.
                      > > > > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
                      > > > difference
                      > > > > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
                      > > > 38
                      > > > > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
                      > > > 3000
                      > > > > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
                      > > > > > 120v.
                      > > > > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
                      > > > > > happens.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
                      > > > series
                      > > > > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
                      > > > I
                      > > > > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
                      > > > > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
                      > > > with
                      > > > > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
                      > > > would
                      > > > > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
                      > > > > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
                      > > > > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
                      > > > > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
                      > > > work
                      > > > > > with LA batteries?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
                      > > > measure
                      > > > > > it?
                      > > > > > Is thermally the only way?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
                      > > > Maimariati
                      > > > > > built
                      > > > > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
                      > > > other
                      > > > > > coils
                      > > > > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
                      > > > > > have
                      > > > > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > EEs
                      > > > > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
                      > > > > > open
                      > > > > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
                      > > > > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
                      > > > in
                      > > > > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
                      > > > > > magnets
                      > > > > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
                      > > > not
                      > > > > > a
                      > > > > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
                      > > > > > from an
                      > > > > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
                      > > > > > matter is
                      > > > > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
                      > > > > > you
                      > > > > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
                      > > > > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
                      > > > > > later
                      > > > > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
                      > > > you
                      > > > > > are
                      > > > > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
                      > > > > > Static
                      > > > > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
                      > > > > > energy.
                      > > > > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
                      > > > > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
                      > > > > > it
                      > > > > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
                      > > > > > and is
                      > > > > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
                      > > > > > conventional
                      > > > > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
                      > > > > > sort of
                      > > > > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
                      > > > > > rules
                      > > > > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
                      > > > but
                      > > > > > an
                      > > > > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
                      > > > > > learning
                      > > > > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
                      > > > in
                      > > > > > Uni
                      > > > > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
                      > > > limited
                      > > > > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
                      > > > > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
                      > > > > > last
                      > > > > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
                      > > > future
                      > > > > > for
                      > > > > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
                      > > > got
                      > > > > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
                      > > > see
                      > > > > > that
                      > > > > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
                      > > > > > electrical
                      > > > > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
                      > > > > > lost by
                      > > > > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
                      > > > > > pulsed
                      > > > > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
                      > > > > > greater
                      > > > > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
                      > > > > > 1000
                      > > > > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
                      > > > > > filing
                      > > > > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
                      > > > it is
                      > > > > > at
                      > > > > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
                      > > > > > but
                      > > > > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
                      > > > never
                      > > > > > be
                      > > > > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
                      > > > are
                      > > > > > all
                      > > > > > > still learning.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Hi Russel,
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
                      > > > > > opinion
                      > > > > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
                      > > > > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
                      > > > people are
                      > > > > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
                      > > > > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
                      > > > > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
                      > > > > > Nothing
                      > > > > > > > more.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
                      > > > background
                      > > > > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
                      > > > > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
                      > > > > > induced
                      > > > > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
                      > > > > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
                      > > > > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > cemf
                      > > > > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
                      > > > pulsing
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
                      > > > > > cemf
                      > > > > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
                      > > > > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
                      > > > that is
                      > > > > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
                      > > > > > power in
                      > > > > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
                      > > > carefully
                      > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
                      > > > > > losses.
                      > > > > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
                      > > > is
                      > > > > > well
                      > > > > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
                      > > > supplies.
                      > > > > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
                      > > > call
                      > > > > > it,
                      > > > > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
                      > > > magnets
                      > > > > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > bucking and use it?
                      > > > > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
                      > > > > > others
                      > > > > > > > say.
                      > > > > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
                      > > > or
                      > > > > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
                      > > > There
                      > > > > > are
                      > > > > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
                      > > > way.
                      > > > > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
                      > > > section
                      > > > > > are
                      > > > > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
                      > > > > > > > independently as possible.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
                      > > > Johnson
                      > > > > > said
                      > > > > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
                      > > > attract
                      > > > > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
                      > > > poles and
                      > > > > > > > repeal north poles".
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
                      > > > my
                      > > > > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
                      > > > in my
                      > > > > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
                      > > > > > cycle
                      > > > > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
                      > > > > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
                      > > > > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
                      > > > > > leaving
                      > > > > > > > register.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
                      > > > > > stuff
                      > > > > > > > one finds on the web.
                      > > > > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
                      > > > > > energy,
                      > > > > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
                      > > > billions
                      > > > > > or
                      > > > > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > would
                      > > > > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
                      > > > earth was
                      > > > > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
                      > > > > > Uranium
                      > > > > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > years
                      > > > > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
                      > > > > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
                      > > > > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
                      > > > backwards
                      > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
                      > > > > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
                      > > > back
                      > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
                      > > > > > back
                      > > > > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
                      > > > shifted at
                      > > > > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
                      > > > > > air or
                      > > > > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
                      > > > > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
                      > > > > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > > > would affect the returned laser.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
                      > > > > > grave
                      > > > > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Mark
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                      > > <mailto:adamsmotor%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                      > > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
                      > > > seen
                      > > > > > > > Robert
                      > > > > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
                      > > > what
                      > > > > > > > was
                      > > > > > > > > posted about recently.
                      > > > > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
                      > > > > > coils
                      > > > > > > > which
                      > > > > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
                      > > > deliver
                      > > > > > > > very
                      > > > > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
                      > > > expand
                      > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > do
                      > > > > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
                      > > > coils
                      > > > > > at
                      > > > > > > > 44.7
                      > > > > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
                      > > > degrees
                      > > > > > but
                      > > > > > > > Robert
                      > > > > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
                      > > > golden
                      > > > > > > > ratio
                      > > > > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
                      > > > drive
                      > > > > > > > coils
                      > > > > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
                      > > > > > > > things. The
                      > > > > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
                      > > > when
                      > > > > > I
                      > > > > > > > saw
                      > > > > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
                      > > > between
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > coil
                      > > > > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
                      > > > trying to
                      > > > > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
                      > > > some
                      > > > > > time
                      > > > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
                      > > > > > getting
                      > > > > > > > more
                      > > > > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
                      > > > > > that
                      > > > > > > > to.
                      > > > > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
                      > > > > > only 2
                      > > > > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
                      > > > > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
                      > > > to get
                      > > > > > > > that to
                      > > > > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
                      > > > did it
                      > > > > > > > with. I
                      > > > > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
                      > > > they
                      > > > > > > > worked
                      > > > > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
                      > > > I
                      > > > > > can't
                      > > > > > > > claim
                      > > > > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
                      > > > I've
                      > > > > > > > seen
                      > > > > > > > > > something I can't account for.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
                      > > > > > only the
                      > > > > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > rpm
                      > > > > > > > change,
                      > > > > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
                      > > > result.
                      > > > > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
                      > > > > > LEDs, I
                      > > > > > > > don't
                      > > > > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
                      > > > > > parallel
                      > > > > > > > since I
                      > > > > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
                      > > > it to
                      > > > > > > > 120 and
                      > > > > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
                      > > > happens.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
                      > > > > > connected
                      > > > > > > > to a
                      > > > > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
                      > > > > > > > lead/lag of
                      > > > > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
                      > > > > > Amps.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
                      > > > I've
                      > > > > > > > gone as
                      > > > > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
                      > > > > > worth the
                      > > > > > > > > > power cost.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
                      > > > > > > > expectation of
                      > > > > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
                      > > > > > pulse
                      > > > > > > > motors.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
                      > > > > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Thanks.
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Mark
                      > > > > > > > > >
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                      > > > > > > > >
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                    • Gáva, Tamás
                      Dear Russel, Thank you for the hint. I will start to search some material on the internet about this motor. Maybe I will be lucky this time... :) Best regards,
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                        Dear Russel,

                        Thank you for the hint.

                        I will start to search some material on the internet about this motor.

                        Maybe I will be lucky this time... :)

                        Best regards,

                        Gava, Tamas

                        ----- Original Message ----
                        From: Russel Prier <russelp@...>
                        To: adamsmotor@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:51:59 PM
                        Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM][SPAM][SPAM]Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor question

                        Hi Tamas,

                        Why dont you try building the Bedini schoolgirl motor to start with.
                        Wind the bifilla coil with 24 gauge and 28 gauge wire and the timing
                        will take care of itself. It is not as powerful a generator as an
                        Adamsmotor but will be easier to get running and give you a good
                        starting point to build your knowleedge and experience form. I am a
                        machinist not skilled in electronics either.

                        All the best Russ P.

                        Gáva wrote:

                        > Hi there!
                        >
                        > Well Russel your last comment was a bit mystical, wasn't it?
                        >
                        > Conversation at this mailing list wasn't so frequent and interesting
                        > till now as I read this list few years ago.
                        >
                        > What I mean when Mark Moridi began to write it attracted my attention.
                        > His previous technical descriptions and his last EM theoretical
                        > explanation was so detailed and well stuctured I felt for a moment
                        > that I could built a good motor myself. :) But unfortunately I know
                        > that actually I cannot...
                        >
                        > I began to read about this "free energy" stuff on the internet seven
                        > years ago. I found lot of materials but very few were useful
                        > practically. As I am not an EE expert but one who is really interested
                        > in fiddling with electronic devices I wanted to find kind of a "how to
                        > build" thing. I' ve found a very good website (which was moved several
                        > times by now) describing something like a "starter kit" for home
                        > experimenting with Adams motors. It is called the "CD Adams motor".
                        > Anyone can find it just type the phrase "CD Adams motor" into Google
                        > and see.
                        >
                        > This thing is a very simple setup. The only coil is timed using a hall
                        > IC. I tried to built it myself. Unfortunately timing is a crucial
                        > feature of these kind of devices so it should have been built by very
                        > strict geometrical proportions which I could not reproduce. I managed
                        > to make it spin. I could play with the position of the hall IC for
                        > timing. I don't have an oscilloscope, so I used a Windows program
                        > called "Winscope" to picture what's happening in the circuit.
                        > Unfortunately this program uses the sound card for AD conversion so
                        > the result was very far from optimal. Unfortunately my motor did not
                        > show the expected effect and I gave up.
                        >
                        > Most important that the author wrote this setup could be producing all
                        > the "over unity" features that an Adams motor can do. No need for
                        > separate drive and generator coils. The author gave an important hint
                        > for simlpe checking whether the experimenter does things the right
                        > way. If the transistor (or mosfet) was heating you got it wrong. If it
                        > cooled you got it right. One can monitor this effect very simply by
                        > putting his finger on the transistor. (I think you found out by now
                        > that the transistor was heating in my motor.) The author wrote that
                        > the cooling effect is a very important feature of the device. As I can
                        > remember the explanation was at a different website (but now I don't
                        > know where) and was that in "inverted" circuits when the coils are
                        > pulsed in the right timing regiment at a critital timepoint
                        > electromagnetic fields interacting between the coils and the magnets
                        > (not NIB magnets just simple ceramic) are generating a small "time
                        > reversal" effect. During this effect energy can flow in the opposite
                        > way that entropy could normally let. So the device is drawing heat
                        > from the environment which is converted to kinetic energy of the
                        > mobile electrons. That's why the back current is higher than the input.
                        >
                        > According to this another outhors of the same group of the author of
                        > the CD Adams motor site wrote at different sites that they could built
                        > stationary generators. The most important components of this device
                        > are the ceramic magnets coils and the pulsed current timed the right
                        > way. So movement is not a crucial part of the "inverse" circuit's
                        > operation.
                        >
                        > I have found another site that described a "Motionless Electromagnetic
                        > Generator" abbreviated as "MEG". This site detailed the same physical
                        > effect as above and added a new electronic part which was needed to
                        > make a stationary over unity device work. This part was like a mosfet
                        > but had a special feature. It could draw and pump the inversely
                        > flowing "static" energy into the circuit by conveting it to regular
                        > current.
                        >
                        > Well I think this must be the "inverter" which Russel was referring to.
                        >
                        > This was the time I gave up planning experiments by myself. I thought
                        > this is not for regular people but only EE experts. I thought
                        > University staff should be examining these interesting physical
                        > phenomena and I did not understood why they keep aloof of these
                        > things. I have two university degrees. One medical and another in
                        > medical engineering. When attending the engineering courses (mostly
                        > they were electrical oriented) I tried to talk to my teachers about
                        > these phenomena but every time they began to act as they thougt I'm
                        > not really mentally healthy some kind. I really do not understand why
                        > they are so aversed of these things. There were days when most of the
                        > peolpe thought that flying for human was impossible. There were few
                        > who believed blindly that it is possible. There were most of the few
                        > who were actually crazy and done really crazy things. But then again
                        > there were few of the few who managed to figure out the way flying for
                        > human is possible and they did it quite right inspite they did not
                        > really understand the principles they are using in their machines.
                        > They were only few renegates and now scientists explore and teach
                        > these principles at Universities.
                        >
                        > I think today is the same about these "inverted" circuits. Now there
                        > are just a few who recognize the importance and the future of these
                        > phenomena but few years later they will be explored and teached at
                        > Universities. The only thing you guys should do is to keep fiddling
                        > keep promoting what you do and wait the time to be excepted widely.
                        >
                        > Oh and another important thing. Don't mystify the explanations. Keep
                        > it clear and logical. Don't operate with too much unproven theories
                        > and don't say "I believe". It is science not religion. You believe in
                        > the church not in science. You have to use assumptions but you must'nt
                        > say you believe or you are conserned about things that are'nt proven.
                        >
                        > I think Mark Moridi does it the right way and I am really excited
                        > about what he will explore. I can't wait reading Mark's new findings.
                        >
                        > Go Mark!
                        >
                        > Best regards,
                        >
                        > Gava, Tamas
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: Russel Prier <russelp@clear. net.nz>
                        > To: adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                        > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:53:12 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM] [SPAM]Re: [adamsmotor] Adams motor question
                        >
                        > Yes as I said this power out of these things is different and needs to
                        > be processed in some way to make it work well in conventional machines.
                        >
                        > markmoridi wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Hi Russel,
                        > > Thanks for the tips.
                        > > What is an inverter? surely you don't mean and dc/ac inverter!
                        > >
                        > > Thanks,
                        > >
                        > > Mark
                        > >
                        > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                        > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@... >
                        > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Hi Mark,
                        > > >
                        > > > I cannot answer that question without doing it but connecting the
                        > > coils
                        > > > in series to give lots of inductance usually helps so that you
                        > > store a
                        > > > fair amount of charge in the coils before you breifly discharge
                        > > them and
                        > > > time the discharging very carefully as M said so as to give a
                        > > positive
                        > > > kick when that circuit is switched off. We have done similar
                        > > things as
                        > > > this in the bedini group but not timed as well as you would get
                        > > with a
                        > > > rotary encoder so as to be able to adjust and regulate things quite
                        > > > accurately and quickly using a plc or coupter of some sort. Yes
                        > > you can
                        > > > charge caps and then discharge them so that you are charging or
                        > > > discharging but not doing both at the same time. As this power is
                        > > > slightly different fron your normal DC John Bedini has said it will
                        > > > probably work better if you put it through an inverter then rectify
                        > > it
                        > > > into DC and use it but I dont know If RA did things this way. His
                        > > > machines self powered fine and poured out energy continuously
                        > > without
                        > > > any input once they were running.
                        > > > There are some trick to be learned along the way and some of these
                        > > have
                        > > > been lost unfortunately.
                        > > >
                        > > > markmoridi wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hi Russel,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I agree with most of what you say. I am not arrogant, just
                        > > cautious
                        > > > > and want proof and I am willing to do the work to get it. I need
                        > > to
                        > > > > see this "more energy out than in" for myself.
                        > > > > As far as what you said about the atoms and energy, I am of the
                        > > > > opinion that anything is possible. This universe could all be a
                        > > dream
                        > > > > of someone, or could be an atom in some one's poo too! This sort
                        > > of
                        > > > > philosophical pondering has no practical use to me and makes me
                        > > > > crazy. So I try not to think about it. My father spent most of his
                        > > > > life on philosophy and practicing medicine and told me in his last
                        > > > > years that he ended up with more questions than answers. I want to
                        > > > > find out once and for all if I can cheat mother nature or not.
                        > > Period.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I don't care if this new energy can not be seen by a scope or any
                        > > > > meter, as long as it can manifest itself in some form that I can
                        > > > > measure and use. Heat would be good enough for me. Electrical
                        > > would
                        > > > > be ideal.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Anyways, I have built and installed 2 new generators today. The
                        > > first
                        > > > > ones where 30 AWG wire and gave me plenty of voltage but not
                        > > enough
                        > > > > current. These new ones are 22 gauge and I'll post pictures when I
                        > > > > have all 4 installed.
                        > > > > The speedup is even more noticeable now. Close to 100 RPMs
                        > > difference
                        > > > > between unloaded and dead shorted. My machine runs at 600 RPM at
                        > > 38
                        > > > > volts. If it was a 5-6" rotor, I suspect I would get around 2500-
                        > > 3000
                        > > > > RPM. I can't wait to finish putting the gens in and take it up to
                        > > > > 120v.
                        > > > > I will build 2 more gens tomorrow and hook them up and see what
                        > > > > happens.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Russel, would it not be logical that if I ganged these gens in
                        > > series
                        > > > > and tune up the machine to get the best power from the gens, that
                        > > I
                        > > > > could filter to DC using a full bridge and low ESR caps and feed
                        > > > > this power back to the main battery banks? I am getting 24 volts
                        > > with
                        > > > > these 2 in series. 2 more should give me 48 volts total which
                        > > would
                        > > > > be plenty to recharge the main batteries.
                        > > > > Would this not close the loop and self run if there is more output
                        > > > > than input? would it be more complicated than this?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I am using 3 NiMH banks each 12v/10Ah. In your opinion, would this
                        > > > > sort of energy be able to charge these batteries or do I need to
                        > > work
                        > > > > with LA batteries?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > How would I know if I have more energy out than in if I can't
                        > > measure
                        > > > > it?
                        > > > > Is thermally the only way?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                        > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Hi Mark,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > What you have built is half an early Adams motor. What
                        > > Maimariati
                        > > > > built
                        > > > > > was the whole of the early Adams motor design so without the
                        > > other
                        > > > > coils
                        > > > > > you cannot pronounce a judgement on what is happening until you
                        > > > > have
                        > > > > > proved it. In the Bedini groups I have been in we had a number
                        > > of
                        > > > > EEs
                        > > > > > who all started like you and took months to get to look with an
                        > > > > open
                        > > > > > mind at what was happening but when they got it became the most
                        > > > > > enthusiastic of our members. The extra energy that does turn up
                        > > in
                        > > > > > these machines is gated through the magnets not sourced from the
                        > > > > magnets
                        > > > > > but just gated by them. We live in a sea of energy an atom is
                        > > not
                        > > > > a
                        > > > > > perpetual motion machine but recieves a constant input of energy
                        > > > > from an
                        > > > > > outside source as does all matter in the universe. In fact all
                        > > > > matter is
                        > > > > > just energy, take away the energy and you have no matter. Are
                        > > > > you
                        > > > > > familar with Tom Beardons work in this area?
                        > > > > > If you think M's results are BS they are nothing compred to the
                        > > > > later
                        > > > > > generation of machine the RA built before he died. The energy
                        > > you
                        > > > > are
                        > > > > > looking at is AC or DC but what we get is not AC or DC but like
                        > > > > Static
                        > > > > > and RF energy which is converted in a capacitor to give dc like
                        > > > > energy.
                        > > > > > It cannot be read on meters as RA commented many times, but will
                        > > > > > perform work which can be measured calorifically ie. in the time
                        > > > > it
                        > > > > > takes to heat a certain amount of water to a certain remperature
                        > > > > and is
                        > > > > > not an allusion but real energy that wont even appear on
                        > > > > conventional
                        > > > > > meters which are based on ohms law which does not apply to this
                        > > > > sort of
                        > > > > > energy. Negative energy is the opposite of positive and all the
                        > > > > rules
                        > > > > > are different. We are not talking about plus and minus valtage
                        > > but
                        > > > > an
                        > > > > > opposite type of electrical energy they have never taught in
                        > > > > learning
                        > > > > > institutions. If you insist on sticking to what you were taught
                        > > in
                        > > > > Uni
                        > > > > > you will never ever get it as you have to look beyond that
                        > > limited
                        > > > > > stuff. Tesla well understood this energy but the educational
                        > > > > > institutions were not allowed to teach it from the early part of
                        > > > > last
                        > > > > > century because Rockerfella and J P morgan knew there was no
                        > > future
                        > > > > for
                        > > > > > there oil empires if this stuff got out there and rockerfella
                        > > got
                        > > > > > control of the educational institutions very early on. You can
                        > > see
                        > > > > that
                        > > > > > if you look at the biased way medical science has gone or
                        > > > > electrical
                        > > > > > science has missed so much of what was known and subsequentially
                        > > > > lost by
                        > > > > > being riddiculed marginalised etc. Johnson could measure when he
                        > > > > pulsed
                        > > > > > magnets in a certain way that they delivered pulses 200 times
                        > > > > greater
                        > > > > > than there base strength and belived they could deliver pulses a
                        > > > > 1000
                        > > > > > times greater and RA had proved the same thing himself. We have
                        > > > > filing
                        > > > > > cabinets full of his papers and experimental work and much of
                        > > it is
                        > > > > at
                        > > > > > odds with conventional EE teaching but does not mean it is wrong
                        > > > > but
                        > > > > > that the current state of knowledge is incomplete and I would
                        > > never
                        > > > > be
                        > > > > > arrogant enough to say that we know it all already because we
                        > > are
                        > > > > all
                        > > > > > still learning.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Hi Russel,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Me thinks the last post by Maimariati was BS. Well that's my
                        > > > > opinion
                        > > > > > > based on my own experimental observations.
                        > > > > > > We tend to believe what we read as fact but the fact is
                        > > people are
                        > > > > > > complicated and often lie for no apparent reason, only for
                        > > > > > > psychological and ego reasons.
                        > > > > > > If this poster is reading this, I ask for a simple picture of
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > unit for others to see his/her wonderful work and admire it.
                        > > > > Nothing
                        > > > > > > more.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that my EE
                        > > background
                        > > > > > > couldn't account for, except what I posted.
                        > > > > > > Many people confuse the recoil effect with back EMF. To set
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > record straight, back emf or counter emf (cemf) is the power
                        > > > > induced
                        > > > > > > in the coil that is the opposite in polarity (opposes) the emf
                        > > > > > > (battery) voltage. This voltage is proportional to the speed
                        > > of
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > rotor and the reason motors don't speedup to infinite RPMs.
                        > > > > > > The speed stops increasing as soon as the emf voltage equals
                        > > the
                        > > > > cemf
                        > > > > > > produced by the motor (the curved voltage you see before
                        > > pulsing
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > stator). Increase the voltage and the motor speed up until the
                        > > > > cemf
                        > > > > > > is once again equal to the emf.
                        > > > > > > The recoil effect (or bucking) is the sharp surge of power
                        > > that is
                        > > > > > > produced as soon as the drive current to the coil stops. The
                        > > > > power in
                        > > > > > > this recoil in nothing special. I have studied it very
                        > > carefully
                        > > > > and
                        > > > > > > it's always the same. Input power minus the copper and other
                        > > > > losses.
                        > > > > > > This recoil effect mesmerizes people not properly trained. It
                        > > is
                        > > > > well
                        > > > > > > understood in EE and is the basis for switching power
                        > > supplies.
                        > > > > > > If the zero point energy, G-field or whatever one wants to
                        > > call
                        > > > > it,
                        > > > > > > existed in the recoil, why do we even need a rotor or even
                        > > magnets
                        > > > > > > for that matter? Why not just pulse a cored coil and redirect
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > bucking and use it?
                        > > > > > > There is nothing special there regardless of what Bedini and
                        > > > > others
                        > > > > > > say.
                        > > > > > > The reason I decided to build an Adams motor and not a Bedini
                        > > or
                        > > > > > > Muller, etc., is they are too complex to analyse properly.
                        > > There
                        > > > > are
                        > > > > > > transformation actions going on and it's easy to loose one's
                        > > way.
                        > > > > > > The thing I like about AM is that the generator and drive
                        > > section
                        > > > > are
                        > > > > > > separate and can be scrutinized independently or as close to
                        > > > > > > independently as possible.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > What I think is happening (and anyone can jump in) is that,
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > stator poles reverse themselves momentarily like Howard
                        > > Johnson
                        > > > > said
                        > > > > > > in his statement that under some conditions, "North will
                        > > attract
                        > > > > > > North and repel south and south poles will attract south
                        > > poles and
                        > > > > > > repeal north poles".
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have seen a couple of unusual things in
                        > > my
                        > > > > > > motor which I am currently studying. One is what I mentioned
                        > > in my
                        > > > > > > last post, the other is that when I look at the scope shot of
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > voltage from the gen coils (not under load) I see the positive
                        > > > > cycle
                        > > > > > > as 28 volts peak but the negative cycle is only 20 volts peak.
                        > > > > > > They should be the same but the magnet (mine is all north) is
                        > > > > > > inducing more voltage in coming in to register as opposed to
                        > > > > leaving
                        > > > > > > register.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I would like to find an explanation other than the mumbo jumbo
                        > > > > stuff
                        > > > > > > one finds on the web.
                        > > > > > > Me thinks the magnets are the culprit. If there is any excess
                        > > > > energy,
                        > > > > > > it will have to come from the depletion of the electrons in
                        > > the
                        > > > > > > magnets. Sort of like rubbing electrons together.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > It's a well known fact that Atoms do decay, but it takes
                        > > billions
                        > > > > or
                        > > > > > > even hundreds of billions of years of our time. A proof of
                        > > that
                        > > > > would
                        > > > > > > be the existence of Uranium for example. If all mater on
                        > > earth was
                        > > > > > > created in stars elsewhere, why do we still have full fledged
                        > > > > Uranium
                        > > > > > > we can mine? Should that not have all been depleted billions
                        > > of
                        > > > > years
                        > > > > > > ago having a half life of only thousands of years?
                        > > > > > > Some other element decays to become Uranium and then lead and
                        > > > > > > eventually everything in the periodic table will decay
                        > > backwards
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > hydrogen and the whole thing (big bang) starts over again.
                        > > > > > > I don't believe in ether either. It was proven not to exist
                        > > back
                        > > > > in
                        > > > > > > the 60's when an experimental laser was pulsed to the moon and
                        > > > > back
                        > > > > > > and the return beam was analysed and found not to have
                        > > shifted at
                        > > > > > > all. If photons move in this medium like sound travels through
                        > > > > air or
                        > > > > > > waves travel through water, then there must have been a
                        > > > > > > shift/deflection in the beam since no medium is completely
                        > > > > > > homogeneous and stationary. Hence there would be ether wind
                        > > that
                        > > > > > > would affect the returned laser.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > That's my take on that and it keeps me sane.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Too bad Robert Adams and Bill Muller took their experiences to
                        > > > > grave
                        > > > > > > with them instead of sharing them with humanity.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Speaking of wind, this one has become a long-winded post.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Mark
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --- In adamsmotor@yahoogro ups.com
                        > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:adamsmotor% 40yahoogroups. com>, Russel Prier <russelp@>
                        > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Hi Mark,
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > You have made a nice job of building that motor. Have you
                        > > seen
                        > > > > > > Robert
                        > > > > > > > adams pictures of his Golden Ratio Motor which is basically
                        > > what
                        > > > > > > was
                        > > > > > > > posted about recently.
                        > > > > > > > It has as was explained 2 drive coils and 4 energy recovery
                        > > > > coils
                        > > > > > > which
                        > > > > > > > when timed right dont cause any significant drag but can
                        > > deliver
                        > > > > > > very
                        > > > > > > > useful amount of power. Your setup looks to be ideal to
                        > > expand
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > > do
                        > > > > > > > that with. That recent setup was timed with the recovery
                        > > coils
                        > > > > at
                        > > > > > > 44.7
                        > > > > > > > degrees to the drive coils which is near enough to 45
                        > > degrees
                        > > > > but
                        > > > > > > Robert
                        > > > > > > > did not find this to be the best position. He used the
                        > > golden
                        > > > > > > ratio
                        > > > > > > > which is about 61.7% as a ratio of the distance betwee the
                        > > drive
                        > > > > > > coils
                        > > > > > > > and generator coils but I dont know which way around he had
                        > > > > > > things. The
                        > > > > > > > old motors that where made that way were partly dismantled
                        > > when
                        > > > > I
                        > > > > > > saw
                        > > > > > > > them so I was unable to tell which way the offset was
                        > > between
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > > > coil
                        > > > > > > > sets. The rest of the info is very good and I will be
                        > > trying to
                        > > > > > > > duplicate or better that excelent effort as soon as I get
                        > > some
                        > > > > time
                        > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > work on it. Your experience with loading the buck side and
                        > > > > getting
                        > > > > > > more
                        > > > > > > > speed is the same as Robert found and a Bedini motor will do
                        > > > > that
                        > > > > > > to.
                        > > > > > > > Robert learnt how to extract massive amounts of energy using
                        > > > > only 2
                        > > > > > > > coils that were the drive coils and energy recorvery coils
                        > > > > > > > simultaneously but it is very tricky and I havent managed
                        > > to get
                        > > > > > > that to
                        > > > > > > > work myself even though I have seen the machines that he
                        > > did it
                        > > > > > > with. I
                        > > > > > > > have seen his 10 50 and 1000KW machines but dont know how
                        > > they
                        > > > > > > worked
                        > > > > > > > but they are quite simple machines.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > markmoridi wrote:
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Hi all,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I've build an Adams motor (picture under photos section).
                        > > I
                        > > > > can't
                        > > > > > > claim
                        > > > > > > > > anything fancy and outrageous like the recent posting but
                        > > I've
                        > > > > > > seen
                        > > > > > > > > something I can't account for.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > When I load the generators, the rpm increases!
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Specifically when I load with the bank of LEDs, and steal
                        > > > > only the
                        > > > > > > > > positive cycles of the power, seems to give the greatest
                        > > of
                        > > > > rpm
                        > > > > > > change,
                        > > > > > > > > also when I short out the generators, I get the same
                        > > result.
                        > > > > > > > > But if I only steal the negative portion by reversing the
                        > > > > LEDs, I
                        > > > > > > don't
                        > > > > > > > > get half the rpm increase.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > My coils are 36 ohms each but I have connected them in
                        > > > > parallel
                        > > > > > > since I
                        > > > > > > > > am only working at 36 volts for now. Later, I will boost
                        > > it to
                        > > > > > > 120 and
                        > > > > > > > > eventually to 240v as per Adams notes and see what
                        > > happens.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I am pulsing the drive coils using a 1024 cpr encoder
                        > > > > connected
                        > > > > > > to a
                        > > > > > > > > PIC that I programmed in C and can vary the duty cycle and
                        > > > > > > lead/lag of
                        > > > > > > > > the pulse. I am using an IRF mosfet rated at 1000 volts, 6
                        > > > > Amps.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > The optimal (minimum) pulse width I working on is 20.1%.
                        > > I've
                        > > > > > > gone as
                        > > > > > > > > high as 35% but the RPM increased only 10% which was not
                        > > > > worth the
                        > > > > > > > > power cost.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Mind you I do this sort of thing as a hobby and have no
                        > > > > > > expectation of
                        > > > > > > > > anything free. Just want to gain an understanding of these
                        > > > > pulse
                        > > > > > > motors.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > So, does anyone have a clue of what is going on?
                        > > > > > > > > Please answer if you have a scientific explanation.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Thanks.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Mark
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