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  • logos
    ... Dan ... group. ... an ... relaunced ... don t ... correctness, ... censorship... Don t you mean fascist like behavior ? LOGOS
    Message 1 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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      --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, "karl_baxxter"
      <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
      >
      > The censors at Yahoo, prompted by the unjustified complaints of
      Dan
      > Dobson, have deleted the Universal Fascist Party's discussion
      group.
      >
      > Even if we had been a so-called 'hate group' (which we are not -
      > although people have every right to hate what they like) this is
      an
      > abhorrent abuse of our freedoms and rights. Those wishing to show
      > disapproval of Yahoo's heavy-handed censorship can join the
      relaunced
      > group at:
      >
      > http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Universal_Fascist_Party/
      >
      > Even if you don't agree with our ideas, I am sure that you also
      don't
      > agree with Soviet style censorship and rampant political
      correctness,
      > so please show your support. It is appreciated.
      >



      > "Those wishing to show disapproval of Yahoo's heavy-handed
      censorship..."


      Don't you mean 'fascist like behavior'?


      LOGOS
    • karl_baxxter
      ... Yes, you could say that, but the difference is we are openly Fascist and believe that which harms the greater good of the progressive society should be
      Message 2 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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        >
        > Don't you mean 'fascist like behavior'?
        >
        >
        > LOGOS
        >
        Yes, you could say that, but the difference is we are openly Fascist
        and believe that which harms the greater good of the progressive
        society should be actively discouraged, once we have power.

        Yahoo pretends to be in favour of freedom, and the individual's right
        to express him or herself self and all the other individualistic
        democratic bullshit, when in fact it is extremely intolerant of
        differing views. We were an intellectual group and discussed ideas in a
        humane and rational spirit. We didn't sit around talking about lynching
        niggers or gassing Jews. Nor did we pretend to be vampires like some of
        the eccentrics on this group.
      • karl_baxxter
        You like metaphors, don t you? Yahoo s house, etc. Yeh we all sign contracts and go along with the system because it s there when we re born, but that doesn t
        Message 3 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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          You like metaphors, don't you? Yahoo's house, etc. Yeh we all sign
          contracts and go along with the system because it's there when we're
          born, but that doesn't give it absolute 'divine' right. What is right
          must be based on an absolute moral system - like Christianity or
          Islam (except these are two discredited medieval Worldviews). This
          doesn't change the need for an absolute moral system to cut through
          the relativist bullshit. Bow such absolute morality can only come
          from Fascism which seeks to focus and mobilize human civilization in
          accord with the moral dynamic of the Universe.

          I'm just a little man, but he's a great man - go and visit the Dalry
          Lama at:

          http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Universal_Fascist_Party/

          He'll put you straight.

          In the meantime stick to your banal little thoughts about ToSs and
          don't spill any of your sickly sweet liberal tea on Yahoo's rugs or
          she'll take a slipper to your behind.




          --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, Eoghan
          <eoghan69r@y...> wrote:
          >
          > Yahoo is an opt-in service. Their ToS is extensive, and freely
          > available. In order to use any aspect of Yahoo!'s services, you must
          > agree, up front, to the ToS. That means you agreed, up front and
          with
          > full awareness of the implications, to Yahoo!'s subsequent actions
          in
          > line with that ToS.
          >
          > If you are like most other people, you've done this *at least* once,
          > and probably half a dozen times, setting up various services for
          > various accounts or various computers.
          >
          > If you come in *my* house and hurl abuse at me, I don't care
          whether or
          > not you're allowed do so out in the public street, I'm damn sure
          going
          > to stop you spouting off inside my house. You don't like it, fine -
          get
          > out.
          >
          > You are in Yahoo!'s house. You don't like it, there's the unsub
          button.
          > Don't let it disconnect you on the way out.
          >
          > I propose a much better, obviously more necessary campaign: The
          > Internet Licence. People should have to sit a test before being
          allowed
          > onto the information superhighway to make sure they can be trusted
          to
          > comport themselves sensibly and in line with agreements they make
          along
          > the way.
          > Eoghan
          >
          > --- karl_baxxter <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
          >
          > > The censors at Yahoo, prompted by the unjustified complaints of
          Dan
          > > Dobson, have deleted the Universal Fascist Party's discussion
          group.
          > >
          > > Even if we had been a so-called 'hate group' (which we are not -
          > > although people have every right to hate what they like) this is
          an
          > > abhorrent abuse of our freedoms and rights. Those wishing to show
          > > disapproval of Yahoo's heavy-handed censorship can join the
          relaunced
          > >
          > > group at:
          > >
          > > http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Universal_Fascist_Party/
          > >
          > > Even if you don't agree with our ideas, I am sure that you also
          don't
          > >
          > > agree with Soviet style censorship and rampant political
          correctness,
          > >
          > > so please show your support. It is appreciated.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          > You say that I'm a left-wing, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal
          like that's supposed to be a BAD thing!
          >
          >
          >
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        • karl_baxxter
          You end up fighting Fascism with Fascism You end up fighting Hate with Hate Do you ever wonder who s really winning? Yes, we are, and for a very simple reason.
          Message 4 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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            You end up fighting Fascism with Fascism
            You end up fighting Hate with Hate
            Do you ever wonder who's really winning?

            Yes, we are, and for a very simple reason. Death is all around you
            and death is a selective force. Death is not politically correct.
            Death is not affirmative action. Death is not liberal coziness.

            Go down a few meters into the ground and life becomes unlivable. Go a
            few thousand meters up and the same is true. Meanwhile the thin
            envelope of life that surrounds this little rock becomes more
            crowded, polluted, and fouled by greed and petty human ego day by
            day.

            This is the result of your egoism and your hedoism and your inability
            to think beyond the tiny pinpoint of yourself. Your blindness is not
            seeing the Universe, your deafness is not listening to the Universe.
            All you're picking up is yourself, a fading signal. But everyday
            Death is there all around shaping the Universe and sparing only those
            creatures, groups, societies,a nd civilizations with the sense to
            recognize the truth. Only Universal Fascism has the dsicipline,
            wisdom, and vision to survive and to mean anything.

            You, however, would base your morality on a melting snowflake.


            --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, rwstutler
            <no_reply@y...> wrote:
            >
            > --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, "karl_baxxter"
            > <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
            >
            > "The censors at Yahoo, prompted by the unjustified complaints of
            Dan
            > Dobson, have deleted the Universal Fascist Party's discussion
            group.
            >
            > Even if we had been a so-called 'hate group' (which we are not -
            > although people have every right to hate what they like) this is an
            > abhorrent abuse of our freedoms and rights. Those wishing to show
            > disapproval of Yahoo's heavy-handed censorship can join the
            relaunced
            > group at:
            >
            > http://asia....
            >
            > Even if you don't agree with our ideas, I am sure that you also
            don't
            > agree with Soviet style censorship and rampant political
            correctness,
            > so please show your support. It is appreciated."
            >
            >
            > You do not have a right to act in ways that are dangerous to
            others.
            > I think it is too bad that we are not allowed to shoot people like
            > you to death on sight. Yahoo let you off too easy.
            >
            > Here's offering a prayer that you are jailed for hate crimes and
            > spend many long years in a federal prison. And that you make many
            > close friends there.
            >
            > Have a miserable day, a short unpleasant life and a long, slow,
            > painful death.
            >
            >
            > Randy
            > "You can rob me. You can starve me, you can beat me, and you can
            > kill me. Just don't bore me"
            >
          • bobisgodogisbob
            ... I see your point, RWS. I just never thought of it as anymore than a fundy thing lol
            Message 5 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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              --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, rwstutler
              <no_reply@y...> wrote:

              > Everyone wants to be seen as the 'sympathetic' victim. You've seen
              > how well it's working out for the christians. Now the other hate
              > groups want to use the same tactic.
              >
              I see your point, RWS. I just never thought of it as anymore than a
              fundy thing lol
            • bobisgodogisbob
              ... Too bad your statement falls upon you as well. ... inability ... not ... Universe. I assume you meant hedonism, which yes I could be considered a hedonist.
              Message 6 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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                --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, "karl_baxxter"
                <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
                >
                > You end up fighting Fascism with Fascism
                > You end up fighting Hate with Hate
                > Do you ever wonder who's really winning?

                Too bad your statement falls upon you as well.
                >
                > This is the result of your egoism and your hedoism and your
                inability
                > to think beyond the tiny pinpoint of yourself. Your blindness is
                not
                > seeing the Universe, your deafness is not listening to the
                Universe.

                I assume you meant hedonism, which yes I could be considered a
                hedonist. I am formerly pagan now agnostic. Proud of it. By the way,
                the universe called. It said it's time for your medication.

                >
                > You, however, would base your morality on a melting snowflake.
                >
                Snowflakes are pretty. Too bad they melt in spring.
                >
                When I was younger, before I developed the ability to reply with
                words rather than violence, I was once arested for beating a guy
                senseless for the same attitude Fascists apparently all seem to
                share. I was given an ACD because it was my first offence (and the
                judge was jewish). e belonged to the National Socialist Party and
                judging me by the fact that I had blonde hair and a german (so he
                thought) last name, he tried to get me to join. When I tld him my
                name was actually jewis and that I didn't appreciate his hate speach,
                he told me I had no right to live. I won't argue your points because
                no matter how hard you try to stretch the truth to meet your pathetic
                and misguided hate for non-conformity will destroy itself. Even the
                christian fundies who love to debate (and damn the rest of us to
                hell), with their similar attitude towards those who refuse to
                conform, I doubt would lower themselves to the willful depravation of
                our rights as atheists/agnostics and pagans etc..

                In short, cry your hate movement to a stalag, NAZI.
              • Eoghan
                Hahaha - what a crock of shit. It s ok when WE do it - ya gotta love the fucking nutters of this world. Eoghan ... You say that I m a left-wing,
                Message 7 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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                  Hahaha - what a crock of shit. "It's ok when WE do it" - ya gotta love
                  the fucking nutters of this world.
                  Eoghan

                  --- karl_baxxter <karl_baxxter@...> wrote:

                  > >
                  > > Don't you mean 'fascist like behavior'?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > LOGOS
                  > >
                  > Yes, you could say that, but the difference is we are openly Fascist
                  > and believe that which harms the greater good of the progressive
                  > society should be actively discouraged, once we have power.

                  You say that I'm a left-wing, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal like that's supposed to be a BAD thing!



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                • Eoghan
                  Who mentioned absolutes? Who mentioned divine? Who mentioned rights? Who mentioned moral systems? *You* signed a contract with Yahoo!, part of which explicitly
                  Message 8 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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                    Who mentioned absolutes?

                    Who mentioned divine?

                    Who mentioned rights?

                    Who mentioned moral systems?

                    *You* signed a contract with Yahoo!, part of which explicitly stated
                    that *you* agreed with, and agreed to abide by, their ToS. Now you are
                    whining because you violated that ToS and got caught. You lied.

                    Tough shit.
                    Eoghan

                    --- karl_baxxter <karl_baxxter@...> wrote:

                    > You like metaphors, don't you? Yahoo's house, etc. Yeh we all sign
                    > contracts and go along with the system because it's there when we're
                    > born, but that doesn't give it absolute 'divine' right. What is right
                    >
                    > must be based on an absolute moral system - like Christianity or
                    > Islam (except these are two discredited medieval Worldviews). This
                    > doesn't change the need for an absolute moral system to cut through
                    > the relativist bullshit. Bow such absolute morality can only come
                    > from Fascism which seeks to focus and mobilize human civilization in
                    > accord with the moral dynamic of the Universe.
                    >
                    > I'm just a little man, but he's a great man - go and visit the Dalry
                    > Lama at:
                    >
                    > http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Universal_Fascist_Party/
                    >
                    > He'll put you straight.
                    >
                    > In the meantime stick to your banal little thoughts about ToSs and
                    > don't spill any of your sickly sweet liberal tea on Yahoo's rugs or
                    > she'll take a slipper to your behind.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

                    You say that I'm a left-wing, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal like that's supposed to be a BAD thing!



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                  • Guy Becker
                    karl_baxxter wrote:
                    Message 9 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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                      karl_baxxter <karl_baxxter@...> wrote: <<Yeh we all sign contracts and go along with the system because it's there when we're born, but that doesn't give it absolute 'divine' right.>>



                      ME: There's a difference between having no choice to exist, and having the legal capacity to engage in a binding contract and disobeying the terms of that contract.



                      <<What is right must be based on an absolute moral system ->>



                      ME: Support this statement and explain why only fascism works well enough.

                      And explain to me how it is that fascism works well when we can see that people like Hitler abuse the situation.

                      ~Guy~



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                    • moyzo1
                      ... are ... sign ... we re ... right ... This ... through ... in ... Dalry ... and ... or ... like that s supposed to be a BAD thing! ...
                      Message 10 of 17 , Dec 1, 2005
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                        --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, Eoghan
                        <eoghan69r@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Who mentioned absolutes?
                        >
                        > Who mentioned divine?
                        >
                        > Who mentioned rights?
                        >
                        > Who mentioned moral systems?
                        >
                        > *You* signed a contract with Yahoo!, part of which explicitly stated
                        > that *you* agreed with, and agreed to abide by, their ToS. Now you
                        are
                        > whining because you violated that ToS and got caught. You lied.
                        >
                        > Tough shit.
                        > Eoghan
                        >
                        > --- karl_baxxter <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > You like metaphors, don't you? Yahoo's house, etc. Yeh we all
                        sign
                        > > contracts and go along with the system because it's there when
                        we're
                        > > born, but that doesn't give it absolute 'divine' right. What is
                        right
                        > >
                        > > must be based on an absolute moral system - like Christianity or
                        > > Islam (except these are two discredited medieval Worldviews).
                        This
                        > > doesn't change the need for an absolute moral system to cut
                        through
                        > > the relativist bullshit. Bow such absolute morality can only come
                        > > from Fascism which seeks to focus and mobilize human civilization
                        in
                        > > accord with the moral dynamic of the Universe.
                        > >
                        > > I'm just a little man, but he's a great man - go and visit the
                        Dalry
                        > > Lama at:
                        > >
                        > > http://asia.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Universal_Fascist_Party/
                        > >
                        > > He'll put you straight.
                        > >
                        > > In the meantime stick to your banal little thoughts about ToSs
                        and
                        > > don't spill any of your sickly sweet liberal tea on Yahoo's rugs
                        or
                        > > she'll take a slipper to your behind.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        > You say that I'm a left-wing, tree-hugging, bleeding-heart liberal
                        like that's supposed to be a BAD thing!
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                        assuming that they actually violated the terms of service and simply
                        did not have someone that maliciously reported a claim of a
                        violation. My experiences with gay groups on yahoo has had a lot of
                        them canceled for tos violations that never had on anything that i
                        saw that could have violated anything but the sensibilities of
                        fundies that would want to ban all gay groups.
                      • logos
                        ... Fascist ... Once we have power over whom? So, there are tiers in your idea of a progressive society ? ... right ... Yahoo doesn t pretend to be
                        Message 11 of 17 , Dec 2, 2005
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                          --- In achristianvsatheistclub@yahoogroups.com, "karl_baxxter"
                          <karl_baxxter@y...> wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > > Don't you mean 'fascist like behavior'?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > LOGOS
                          > >
                          > Yes, you could say that, but the difference is we are openly
                          Fascist
                          > and believe that which harms the greater good of the progressive
                          > society should be actively discouraged, once we have power.


                          "Once "we" have power" over whom?

                          So, there are tiers in your idea of a "progressive society"?



                          > Yahoo pretends to be in favour of freedom, and the individual's
                          right
                          > to express him or herself self and all the other individualistic
                          > democratic bullshit, when in fact it is extremely intolerant of
                          > differing views.



                          Yahoo doesn't pretend to be democratic. Ostensibly, one either
                          follows the ToS or one has their ID deleted. There is no "vote".


                          > when in fact it is extremely intolerant of
                          > differing views.




                          They're not understanding like the Fascists are?


                          Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Yahoo per se. I'm noting the
                          irony of a disgruntled fascist who has found himself on a lower tier
                          than he enjoys finding himself on.

                          I guess it sucks not to be in "power" eh?





                          > We were an intellectual group and discussed ideas in a
                          > humane and rational spirit. We didn't sit around talking about
                          lynching
                          > niggers or gassing Jews. Nor did we pretend to be vampires like
                          some of
                          > the eccentrics on this group.



                          Ah...the coup de grace.

                          I love it when "intellectuals" criticize 'vampires'. You would be
                          surprised how often self-identified intelligent intellectuals do
                          just that. The irony makes my day; thanks.


                          Welcome to the group Karl. You might prove interesting.



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