Re: [abramelin] Re: Robes...
- Thelema Khem,Thanks for the info.Actually 'faffing' around with glasswear is right up my alley. Thanks for the links. I have been slowly gathering a new set of glasswear as my old stuff got left behind when I moved country.Kermes caught my eye because it seems only the female with eggs is used in the dye, which means if used too much you will eventuially kill off future generations of your source.
I just happened to read Hopkins' "Alchemy, Child of Greek Philosophy." the other day and couldn't believe how I had missed the importance of dye to religous systems. :) Slowly I am catching up...Good luck on your move.WillLoveALWaysScarlet
On 3/30/07, Khem Caigan <Khem@...> wrote:
Scarlet doth schreibble:
> I thought that the Crimson/Scarlet dye was from Kermes oak coccid, an
Oh, Kermes was used, too, as both dye and
medicine and incense - as were the shellfish.
But the consensus seems to be that the
shellfish dyes were more expensive - and that
seems likely to me, since they are more
difficult to gather and prepare, besides
giving a brilliant and long-lasting tincture.
> Have to admit, the twice dyed phrase comes from Exodus *28:5.* "And they
> shall take gold, and violet, and purple, and scarlet twice dyed, and fine
> linen." :)
Hey, I never said that you would be breaking
any laws of Heaven or Earth if you *did*
double-dip. Knock yourself out! Get down with
your bad Royal Purple self!
Some folks say that the 'twice-dipped' cloth
was dipped first in Brandaris and then in
Trunculus to achieve a deeper colour:
> Mind you, that color is awesome. What shellfish did you use?
That dye was from a batch of Murex Brandaris
that came from the coasts of Salamina, given
to me a few years ago as a gift.
That was the only sample board still lying
around the house, because we are currently
packing up to move and all the impediminutiae
must go - but the other colours from that
batch are equally extraordinary!
Paul Friedlander was the first to determine
the composition of the dye obtained from
Murex Brandaris in 1909.
Here is the procedure that he followed:
" For the isolation of the dye, I used the
procedures indicated earlier with a few
The gland extracts were first placed on filter
paper and the dyes were developed by brief
exposure to sunlight.
Then the mass on the paper was macerated for
half an hour while heating on the water bath
with moderately dilute sulfuric acid (1:2),
washing out the pulp repeatedly with hot
water in the filter funnel and extracting
any remaining pollution in the Soxhlet with
For extracting the dye itself, I used benzoic
acid ethyl ether, out of which it precipitates
in glittering, copper-coloured crystals.
It is cleaned once more with benzoic ether, and
finally it is crystallized out of quinoline /
benzopyridine (because of the heavy solubility
through extraction out of a Soxhlet, it is
suspended in the chamber beneath the cool
But if faffing about with glassware isn't your
thing, you could order some Tyrian Purple from
Georg Kremer in Manhattan:
Cors in Manu Domine,
~ Khem Caigan
' Oft on the Mouldering Keep by Night
Earl Roger takes his Stand,
With the Sword that Shone at Hastings' fight,
Firm Grasped in his Red, Right Hand ! '