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Re: Backpacking in EGS

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  • cgptsnaz
    Mapcarta is like Google Earth with the same zoom in ratio.
    Message 1 of 20 , Aug 16, 2013
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      Mapcarta is like Google Earth with the same zoom in ratio.

      --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Ray <glennlray@...> wrote:
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      > re: Google Earth - i mentioned this back in May, but some really good hi-rez imagery of the Zion and southern GESNM areas has been posted in the past couple of months (twice the resolution of previous ones) and routing should be much easier. I only wish they could update the elevation data; still too smooth to be trusted.
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      > Re: Diana's throne - there's a cool slot canyon just west of it I'd like to check out. Think there are two short raps (< 30 feet). I need to go hunt for a TR again on the Internet.
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      > Glenn
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: cgptsnaz
      > Sent: 8/15/2013 21:32
      > To: Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Zion_National_Park_Hiking] Re: Backpacking in EGS
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      > Yes, I use Mapcarta and Google Earth to see the area's I plan to hike before hand and print my own area maps from Mapcard.
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      > --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, Vern Vartdal <v_vartdal@> wrote:
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      > > There are so many tools nowadays to supplement the guidebooks. I usually run though a route with 3d satellite and topo images before I go printing out the areas of concern to take along. Wish I had that on Baxter pass in the Sierra's when I got disoriented coming back from Rae lakes. Nothing wrong with climbing a ridge to get your bearings once in a while though. It adds to the rush of accomplishment when you're done.
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      > > On Aug 15, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "cgptsnaz" <cgptsnaz@> wrote:
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      > > > Kelsey's books are what first got me interested in hiking in the canyons of Utah. I have never relied on his books beyond what I read and could remember as I don't carry books while hiking. This fall I am hiking the upper section of Kanab Creek from the Sunset Cliffs NE of Alton Utah to the Best Friends Animal Shelter area above the town of Kanab.
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      > > > --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Wilson <marshallwilson770@> wrote:
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      > > > > Thanks greatly appreciated. It would not be the first time we have
      > > > > encountered distorted information. We ran into a few passes in the Sierras
      > > > > that were like that.....only to find out later the authors never actually
      > > > > had been there and were going from hearsay. But, we ended up on some great
      > > > > adventures that way too LOL. We will take a look a this loop.
      > > > >
      > > > > M
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      > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:46 PM, mojave_ben <mojave_ben@> wrote:
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      > > > > > No comment on Kelsey's canyoneering guide, haven't used it.
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      > > > > > A word on Kelsey. He has a bit of a reputation. Some people object to his
      > > > > > dogged used of kilometers and apparent inability to spell "photo"
      > > > > > correctly. In truth, he's just loaded with info. BUT... most find his time
      > > > > > estimates to be absurdly fast (as in 2x or more) and his directions are
      > > > > > frequently on the skimpy side, so you need navigational skills.
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      > > > > > He describes a cowboy trail from the cabin in Hackberry back over the hump
      > > > > > to a corral on the Cottonwood Road. I read a TR by some folks in Kanab who
      > > > > > seem to take Kelsey with a healthy grain of salt, but they found a route.
      > > > > > In his book, the description starts with a color photo and nice bit of
      > > > > > detail, and when you get in there, there is certainly a bit evidence of
      > > > > > use, AND a rock which has some carved names on it. So all seems well. At
      > > > > > that point the description became nonexistent and it was all a matter of
      > > > > > route finding. We failed. In hindsight, we turned north too early on a
      > > > > > Moenkopi ledge system and we should have climbed higher and further east.
      > > > > > No obvious route but a lot of boulders and it could have been worked out.
      > > > > > So had we been depending on that, well it would have been a piece of work.
      > > > > > Instead we just backtracked.
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      > > > > > We might go back. I believe there's a route - must be to get to that cabin
      > > > > > and we saw traces of it ascending from the road. But just shows you what
      > > > > > you get.
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      > > > > > Someone mentioned connecting from the trails west of Yellow Rock to the
      > > > > > canyon with Sam Pollock Arch. That's sort of what I was thinking of. I
      > > > > > think that might make for a very cool loop.
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      > > > > > BTW that cabin would not be a bad place to camp.
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