Re: Safe canyoneering
- --- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, luvs_to_hike
> We dodged Icicles on your Many Pools hike on the way to the EastRim ;)
>There are canyons in Zion that develop huge icicles, and they gotta
crash down at some point. Sun melts the snow. Melt water trickles
down toward the canyon, where it goes out of the sun, starts to
freeze. I know Engelstead forms these big, dangerous 'cicles.
Again, important to chose your canyons carefully.
- In most areas of southern utah it snows when the temperature is between
36-40 degrees. When the snow melts there is an actual increase in the air
Slippery and slick I bet that red rock is.
Bruce from Bryce
>From: "adkramoo" <adkramoo@...>
>Subject: [Zion_National_Park_Hiking] Re: Safe canyoneering
>Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:17:38 -0000
>--- In Zion_National_Park_Hiking@yahoogroups.com, luvs_to_hike
> > Question: What about snow storms? Those must present a danger.
>Last November, with Hank, Moab Matt and Levin, it snowed so hard and
>it was still a bit warm. It started a flow, in quite a narrow canyon
>(Shenanegans). That was new..and edgy. Snowstorms can make accessing
>canyons dangerous, with the slickness. It can make bourderfields slow
>, wet and difficult, but don't have much effect in the canyons proper.
> Dodging falling giant
> > icicles... ..
>Rockfall I have experienced often. Icicles have never been an issue...yet
> > Most of all --- what about changing clothes out of the wetsuit!
>That has to be awful in
> > the cold!
>Two things. In any environment, their is lots of pockets of different
>weather. The sunny exposure, the wind blocked, the alcove super heated
>by the sun. Within minutes, their is almost always a comfortable, if
>not down right balmy spot, in almost any weather.
>As to changing....well, yeah. My son has heard it enough and now
>spouts it. "It's a finite experience. Deal!" Kidding aside, it can be
>uncomfortable for a few minutes. So much so that one must just laugh
>at it, but when the dry clothes are back on, the discomfort is a
>memory within minutes. In fact the cozy feeling is better than ever.
>We don't do a ton of wet canyons in the cold, only occasionally, but
>it is no big thing. FreezeFest partners will concur. Kinda pales
>against childbirth, Tanya. How many times you done that? Now that's
> > My idea of cold weather canyoneering/backpacking would be --- short
>easy days and long
> > nights at the campfire. :)
>We agree there. Add a bunch of downclimbing, with less raps, to keep
>you moving and warm too!
> > It's so hard to get up in the morning though when its frosty
>Yeah! Having the stove set up right next to you and extra clothes
>warming in that super warm bag your in and it plays out fine.
>I love the story of
> > you guys having to thaw out your shoes before you could put them on.
>Another of those "finite experiences" You have to be careful not to
>make the water in the shoes too hot, or you can burn your feetsies.
> > I am warming up to winter stuff ---- slowly! I have the day hikes
>down in the winter.
> > When it got hot it was actually a bummer this year. I assume I will
>feel the same as it gets
> > cold now. ;)
>We do want to see you and Bo out in eastern Utah for a weekend,
>sometime before April. It is really fun and you will love those
>different type canyons, especially all the downclimbing.