Re: [Yuricon] Re: [YCML] More shounen (sexist?) yuri
completely>> >> The "feminization" of male/male relationships. They are
>> >> emasculated, and use language normallyassociated with young women.
>> >usually writing said tales, is that last really
>> >Given who is
>> >surprising?to how guys talk that's no excuse.
>>Well, unless they've never been exposed
>>It seems like a deliberate stylechoice.
>Agreed.Does it happen in all yaoi? Or just doujinshi? I don't know a heck of a lot about what sort of idioms (? I think that's the word I want) would be considered "feminine" in Japan, besides the various ways of saying I/me, so I can't recognize these things...Then again, there was a study done (here) that suggested that super-feminine women are really sexy - but feminine men are sexier than more macho men, to the general populace. *shrug* So maybe they're just playing off that.
>>Is it that much of a problem withstraight male characters written by the same authors?
>asnwer this, since I'm not that aware of authors in the yaoi market,
>andif any are also straight shoujo authors. The only thing I can say is
>that if you lok at the near non-verbal qality of most male shoujo loveflattering...
>interests, we're talking about a view of men that isn't that
>trying to get a single
>Male love interest in shoujo romances spend volumes
>sententnce or even the vaguest expression of likeor interest or attraction
>out of their mouths - and usually fail untilsome crisis forces it out of
*thinks* You know, that's really true ^^; Specifically right now I'm thinking of Mamoru from BSSM and Takeo from MTT!, because they're the only shoujo series with romance that I can think of o.x (I don't read plain romances, usually). Perhaps this is why shoujo romance series take hundreds of episodes to complete? :P ^^;Then again, depending on the age of the people involved, it may not be that off-base, for guys OR girls.
>True story - a penpal from Japan told me that she'd been meeting amale
>friend for a few years, a couple of times a year for dinner. Oneday he
>says, "so, when are we getting married?" She's like - are wedating?
>manga fan, he really
>She told me that she felt that because he was a shoujo
>thought it worked like that - you like someone, youdon't have to court
>them, because they also like you, obviously,and then you get married. She
>blamed manga and the fact that he didn'thave any sisters. LOL*lol* That's pretty funny, though I do find it doubtful that reading shoujo manga would have such a heavy impact. Maybe not... but I still don't think it's likely. (Where are the psychiatrists doing studies on these things? I'm moving to Japan when I graduate ;)
>So maybe the feminization of a yaoi couple is to counter theperceived lack
>of introspection and communication of straightmales.Turning them instead into wibbling balls of goo! :D
Though, as with anything, it's a case-by-case thing. I don't recall Zetsuai being particularly wibbly, feminine, or even openly communicative between Kouji and Izumi. *shrug* Maybe it's the only one? ^^;-Alex
- --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Johann Chua <cjchua@m...> wrote:
> >They may have been exposed, but it may have been noise instead of
> >Given who is usually writing said tales, is that last really
> Well, unless they've never been exposed to how guys talk that's no
signal. If you're deliberately trying not to listen, it doesn't
matter if you hear.
> It seems like a deliberate style choice. Is it that much of aproblem with
> (presumably) straight male characters written by the same authors?<considers the now-thankfully dead "sekkushiaru roman" subgenre of
Sailor Moon fanfic> Yes.
- --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Picchetti" <nuriseiya@r...>
> >True story - a penpal from Japan told me that she'd been meeting amale
> >friend for a few years, a couple of times a year for dinner. Oneday he
> >says, "so, when are we getting married?" She's like - are wedating?
> >he really
> >She told me that she felt that because he was a shoujo manga fan,
> >thought it worked like that - you like someone, you don't have tocourt
> >them, because they also like you, obviously, and then you getmarried. She
> >blamed manga and the fact that he didn't have any sisters. LOLReally? Know a lot of people who take their cues on how to act tough
> *lol* That's pretty funny, though I do find it doubtful that
> reading shoujo manga would have such a heavy impact.
from pro-wrestling and action movies? Know anyone who seems to sample
his or her bon mots from sitcoms? Know anyone who pauses for the
We all know people who have a soundtrack, but that's more of a "those
darned portable music machines" problem. :)