Re: [Yuricon] The Solution to the Scanlation Solution
- On 17-Jun-2010 11:48 -0400, Erica Friedman wrote:
>I didn't want to cut-and-paste from the discussion we'd been having on
> I once again challenge you, Adam, and everyone one of you to come up with a BETTER idea.
Okazu at the time I posted that, but I guess it's tricky when the
discussion is spread across so many places.
There seemed to be a fair degree of agreement there that open,
device-independent formats were a good thing. Likewise, as the
experience with music has shown, "active" DRM is a dead-end - it just
makes the pirated products more useful than the paid-for ones
(because the pirated ones will, of course, work on any device) and it
further restricts the set of people who're equipped to read your content
in the first place. It also never really works (observe the effort
which went into Blu Ray DRM, and then check the contents of the Pirate
If the goal is to keep the honest people honest then I think that
various watermarking schemes (allowing you to trivially trace whoever
posted file X on the darknets) are about the best you can do, and they
have the big advantage of not requiring special client software or
Also as we discussed elsewhere, the whole regional licensing thing needs
to be made to go away as far as humanly (or even lawyerly) possible.
I'm sitting here with a pile of money which I'd like to give to the
authors, and it's frustrating to be told that I can't because I have
the wrong IP address.
What most of these boil down to is: the market is small, and anything
which drives away the people who *are* willing to pay is very bad.
So I guess what I'm suggesting is an international web-based store
which will let me register an account, take my money, and in return give
me something I can read (a CBZ file of watermarked PNGs would be great)
on whatever I happen to be using at the time.
Adam Jones (adam@...)(http://www.yggdrasl.demon.co.uk/)
.oO("confussing us is not acceptable, we are INDIVIDUALS i tell you." )
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- 2010/6/15 EricaF <anilesbocon01@...>----- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Ozan TÃ¼rkyÄ±lmaz <ozan.turkyilmaz@...> wrote:> 2010/6/12 Sharanna Atreides <sharannax@...>
>I cannot express to you how utterly, completely wrong you are.
> i saw that vision a lot in the past. problem is that freaking publishers are
> too greedy. once paid for life is not enough for them. they
> want to get paid ever time you watch it, pear it or read it. and you know
> what, technically it's quit possible now.
i cannot express to you how utterly, completely angry you are.
now it's time to deal with personal part.
I am a publisher. I am not speaking from some glass tower, or theoretical concept.
Publishers speculate when they publish a book. It's the publisher's money that pays for the editing, the lettering the printing, the marketing, the advertising, the shipping. And the publisher has to hope that enough books sell to make all that worth while.
If an electronic version has to be created it actually isn't that easy. Formats, lettering, touch up, sometimes whole books have to be recreated to make them viable as an electronic format. That takes time - and expertise. That means that people are working on that. That means there are wages to be paid.
And every format generates (or ought to generate) royalties, so that greed you allude to is also what pays the creator.
You are pointlessly angry at a system that doesn't give you what you want for free or close to it. Sorry about that. My mail service wants to be paid, my creators would like to make some money on their work. I'd like to pay my bills, because printing is incredibly expensive, wages and royalties notwithstanding.
i am not angry with system. you are angry with system in which things did not work out for you. you took a risk, and it did not work and now you are angry.
Please don't call me greedy. I spend 10 years paying off Yuricon and ALC Publishing bills with my *own* money because Yuri fans want stuff but won't pay for it.
who owns ALC Publishing? i'm speculating that it's you. so risks exists with the company is yours. hence it will be your money
and it will be your time. of course if it did pay back, it will be yours because it is your company. if you were following the copyright climate then you would know what i meant by greedy.
What are those greedy publishers asking from you? 5 US dollars, 10? Maybe 20, oh no! What bastards we are. I paid $10,000 getting that book to you, so kindly stop yelling at me.
and what a angry person you are. anger blinds people, it stops your logical thinking.
you _are_ angry with system. I'm not, i maintain the system (being engineer etc). it did not work out for you (as said before it was
very unlikely to work out). you took the risk.
now that personal part is over.
scanlation is not the problem. it was never the problem. problem is pirates. they scan, distribute and never ever bother to buy under
any situation (including but not limited to non availability of free) pirates are working quite efficiently, like scanning 600p book,
feed it into OCR then proof read it under a day. crackers crack a games DRM before it was released etc. they actually do it for just doing it in of sake doing (visit different sites time to time).