[OT] Utopia RE: [Yuricon] Re: A little Buffy for everyone?
- --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, "mara_papimer"
> > Well I feel kind of like an idiot now. After reading about Thomas
> > More. He invented the word utopia, and his vision of it was
> > freightening, and place where I wouldn't be allowed to exist.Public
> > disent without permission, and in a the proper forum ispunishable by
> > death. Bordering on totalitarianism.felt
> That certainly sounds bad if you think of the dictator as just some
> random jerk.
> There are scarier ideas though, like Plato's ideal nation ruled by
> 'perfect' Philosopher kings (who would pretty much do what Plato
> was virtuous). Or Hobbes's idea of the leviathan, a ruler who'sthe
> citizens give up their freedom to but the leviathan in turn has no
> obligations to the citizens whatsoever and is only required to
> maintain order.
> Totalitarianism does sound scary but that is often because we give
> part of dictator to an imagined bastard. If instead people imagineda
> dictatorship in which they the pictured themselves as the ruler, aAnyone who thinks totalitarianism is a good idea under any condition
> fraction of people's opinions would change somewhat.
is a evil individual in my opinion. There are lots of bad ideas of
We are a conceited lot indeed. I am pretty conceited when it comes to
myself, but I have absolutely no desire to tell other people want to
do, especially on subjects that have no demonstratable correct course
Of course 4 billion people dream of a celestial dictatorship. Where
totalitarianism can be excercised in it's absolute form. All privacy
and dignity stripped away. Complete and absolute invigilation of
every thought and action.
I'll stop hear before I shoot off a 17 page polemical diatribe. I
don't want to hijack the topic.