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  • Haruchin
    So, I finally took the plunge and bought the first disk of Utena the TV series. Watched the first episode a couple of days ago. I am *so* glad I watched the
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      So, I finally took the plunge and bought the first disk of Utena the TV series. Watched the first episode a couple of days ago.
       
      I am *so* glad I watched the film first. That may sound insane, but the film was so... I'm struggling to find the right words now, but I'll plump for 'surreal'... that it prepared me for anything that might have been done with the same characters in more or less the same universe. The TV series now feels incredibly down to earth and straightforward.
       
      And is also very very good. I'm not sure what I was expecting. Utena has been hyped as the ultimate yuri series, and one of the pure classics that every anime fan should see, so I was a little worried about expectations. I needn't have worried. It's confident, well-written and well-acted. I can't wait to see the next episode. Sadly, it'll have to wait until my thesis is finished, but that does mean I've suddenly got even *more* motivation to get those couple of thousand words of conclusion finally written and the damn thing submitted. After all, I've got six episodes of Utena to watch! It might end up being a marathon... :) 
       
      Slightly off topic - I don't know whether it's seeing more academically inclined reviews here (I've been reading your stuff with interest, Crimsonlotus, even if I've been lurking rather than replying), or actually having a day job working with academic journals, but I've been wondering about writing an academic article that has an anime slant. My field of academics is theology, and how religious themes and imagery are used in anime is a fascinating thing to watch. Anyone know if there would be a forum for an article on theology and anime? I ask because I doubt the usual theological journals would be interested - it would have to go to the other side of this particular combination. Any thoughts?
       
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    • crimsonlotus20
      Hello Haruchin, Starting with the proviso that theology is most certainly not my field of specialisation, I must, first and foremost, convey Erica s excellent
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        Hello Haruchin,

        Starting with the proviso that theology is most certainly not my
        field of specialisation, I must, first and foremost, convey Erica's
        excellent recommendation of the www.animeresearch.com website, which
        is a starting point for that very odd convergence between academia
        and anime.
        Utena ought to be a very fertile ground for an academic, or even
        a theological/philosophical inquiry, inasmuch as I understand Utena
        is often read as a gnostic tract. In this respect, there is much
        which could, no doubt, be considered. However, there is one crucial
        issue which I think needs to be addressed: that is, that Western
        religious symbology and motifs are frequently used in a fetishistic
        rather than substantive fashion in anime series. A rather good
        example of this would be Evangelion, wherein the Christian mystical
        and apocalyptic imagery comes in thick and fast, but is generally
        devoid of any real significance aside from the purely visual. Much
        like a rhapsodic song whose lyrics are based on sonority rather than
        sense, many anime series use religious symbols as a stylistic
        flourish rather than a plot foundation.
        The problem with Utena/Gnosticism is that Gnosticism does not have
        an easily identifiable doctrine, but rather, a vast and diffuse set
        of myths/allegories which make for a very complicated cosmology
        indeed. Something makes me doubt that Ms. Saito took courses in
        hermeneutics in order to fully grasp the Gnostic Gospels...but the
        whole point of academia is to put words in other people's mouths, so
        all I can say is that the more conjecture, the better. I believe an
        academic article on Shakespeare's Hamlet is published every week in
        one journal or another, so if someone could write about Graeco-Roman
        constructs of femininity and Strawberry Panic! or Gnosticism in
        Utena, this would no doubt be a welcome change.

        --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Haruchin <haruchin@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > So, I finally took the plunge and bought the first disk of Utena
        the TV series. Watched the first episode a couple of days ago.
        >
        > I am *so* glad I watched the film first. That may sound insane, but
        the film was so... I'm struggling to find the right words now, but
        I'll plump for 'surreal'... that it prepared me for anything that
        might have been done with the same characters in more or less the
        same universe. The TV series now feels incredibly down to earth and
        straightforward.
        >
        > And is also very very good. I'm not sure what I was expecting.
        Utena has been hyped as the ultimate yuri series, and one of the pure
        classics that every anime fan should see, so I was a little worried
        about expectations. I needn't have worried. It's confident, well-
        written and well-acted. I can't wait to see the next episode. Sadly,
        it'll have to wait until my thesis is finished, but that does mean
        I've suddenly got even *more* motivation to get those couple of
        thousand words of conclusion finally written and the damn thing
        submitted. After all, I've got six episodes of Utena to watch! It
        might end up being a marathon... :)
        >
        > Slightly off topic - I don't know whether it's seeing more
        academically inclined reviews here (I've been reading your stuff with
        interest, Crimsonlotus, even if I've been lurking rather than
        replying), or actually having a day job working with academic
        journals, but I've been wondering about writing an academic article
        that has an anime slant. My field of academics is theology, and how
        religious themes and imagery are used in anime is a fascinating thing
        to watch. Anyone know if there would be a forum for an article on
        theology and anime? I ask because I doubt the usual theological
        journals would be interested - it would have to go to the other side
        of this particular combination. Any thoughts?
        >
        > Haru
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        >
      • Haruchin
        Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I ll definitely check that site out. I hear what you re saying about religious imagery often not reflecting a real
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          Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check that site out.
           
          I hear what you're saying about religious imagery often not reflecting a real religious interest or theme in the anime. Evangelion is certainly a good example of that. As a theologian it was often very annoying to see so many religious themes (not to mention iconography, but that's another discussion) just thrown into the mix without actually using them; especially when the series' real philosophical point was so poorly expressed. It's all a bit of a missed opportunity as far as I can see.
           
          Still, the use of imagery as fetish aside, there are many genuinely theological themes in anime that would certainly support academic exploration. I wouldn't want to limit the scope of enquiry to be Christian theology (although that is my area of expertise) or even Western theology in general - Buddhism and Shintoism are used liberally in anime, which makes them fertile ground for further discussion. I've not watched enough of Utena to develop any ideas about overarching themes (looking forward to watching more than one episode!), but I'll definitely look out for any Gnostic overtones. If one was to explore that particular area, I believe one would have to focus on a particular variety of Gnosticism, rather than risking losing oneself in the myriad of different ideas gathered under that very inclusive umbrella term. Restricting oneself to Valentinian Gnosticism or that of Basilides for example might be more fruitful than using a much more generalised overview. I think one has to be careful in these kind of enquiries to do a little projecting as possible. That is, I think it possible to use the anime source material as a kind of focusing device, where one takes the themes raised and then explores them without suggesting that the author was an expert on that particular area of academic study. For example, it might be the case that Ms. Saito has never heard of Valentinus, but that doesn't mean that her work might raise interesting questions that can be further explored through reference to Valentinus' beliefs.
           
          For myself though, I think I would like to explore themes rather than focus on particular historical theologies. My area of theology is Christian systematics, which means I'm interested in the construction of theologies. Unlike our historical or biblical brethren, we systematic theologians go about exploring and constructing theology through a study of broad themes - creation, redemption, salvation. One of my favourite anime series, and it is probably my favourite for just this reason, has a surprisingly well developed doctrine of sin and redemption. Haibane Renmei is a wonderful example of a series with well-realised religious themes, and I would love to use it as my focusing device to further explore ideas of the meaning and reality of sin, and the process of redemption. I think it also has something to say about the state of salvation, but that is more of an afterthought, since the focus of the story is the process of coming to salvation and less about the state itself.
           
          It's good to know that a forum for such discussion does exist though - I would hate to get caught up in this kind of study and then discover that there was no audience for it at all. I know for a fact that I would get laughed out of town if I tried to talk about religious themes in any kind of popular media in the vast majority of academic theological journals. It's the nature of academia, I suppose, to equate "popular" with "shallow". Though I accept that plenty of popular media is indeed nothing more than shallow entertainment, there are examples of particular works, in a variety of different fields, having far more to say than simply being caught up in the business of entertaining a given audience.

          Anyway, food for thought. Once my thesis is completed I might start putting a little something together.
           
          Haru


          Get closer to the jungle. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!
        • Erica Friedman
          To: yuricon@yahoogroups.comFrom: haruchin@hotmail.co.ukDate: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:54:46 +0000Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics ... You also may want
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            To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
            From: haruchin@...
            Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:54:46 +0000
            Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics

            > Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check that site out.
             
             
            You also may want to join the anime-manga research ML : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amrc-l (I believe. Y!groups is down right now and I can't confirm.) This groups is engaged in academic research and dialogue about anime and manga on many levels.
             

            Cheers,

            Erica

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          • Zyl
            Haruchin, There are quite a few academics in the UK who have done work with a anime/manga slant, though not from a theological angle: Dr Sharon Kinsella -
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              Haruchin,

              There are quite a few academics in the UK who have done work with a
              anime/manga slant, though not from a theological angle:

              Dr Sharon Kinsella - http://www.kinsellaresearch.com/ (feminism)
              Dr Roger Sabin - http://www.shef.ac.uk/ibds/sabin.htm (media and
              cultural studies)
              Dr Nicola Liscutin - http://www.soas.ac.uk/events/event37645.html (nationalism)

              Further afield, there's of course Dr Matt Thorn -
              http://www.matt-thorn.com/ (cultural anthropology)

              As for publication venues, if you can weave in an international angle
              to it, you can consider:

              Millennium: Journal of International Studies (http://www.e-millennium.ac)
              see their 2001 special issue on aesthetics and International Relations:
              http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mpg/mjis/2001/00000030/00000003

              as well as their 2000 special issue on religion and IR:
              http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mpg/mjis/2000/00000029/00000003;jsessionid=3f6ua74jajfdl.henrietta

              Cheers,
              Zyl


              On Dec 1, 2007 2:54 PM, Erica Friedman <alecto_fury@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
              > From: haruchin@...
              > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:54:46 +0000
              > Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics
              >
              >
              > > Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check that site
              > out.
              >
              >
              > You also may want to join the anime-manga research ML :
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amrc-l (I believe. Y!groups is down right now
              > and I can't confirm.) This groups is engaged in academic research and
              > dialogue about anime and manga on many levels.
              >
              >
              > Cheers,
              >
              > Erica
              >
              > Yuricon - "For real women who like their women...animated."
              > http://www.yuricon.org
              > Hungry for Yuri? Have some Okazu: http://okazu.blogspot.com
              >
              > "World Shaking" Fanfic - http://www.worldshaking.net
              > The Fanfic Revolution - fanficrevolution.blogspot.com
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ________________________________
              > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now!
              >
            • Ellen Kuhfeld
              ... From: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Yuricon@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haruchin Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:55 AM To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
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                -----Original Message-----
                From: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Yuricon@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haruchin
                Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:55 AM
                To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics

                Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check that site out.
                 
                I hear what you're saying about religious imagery often not reflecting a real religious interest or theme in the anime. Evangelion is certainly a good example of that. As a theologian it was often very annoying to see so many religious themes (not to mention iconography, but that's another discussion) just thrown into the mix without actually using them; especially when the series' real philosophical point was so poorly expressed. It's all a bit of a missed opportunity as far as I can see.
                 
                Still, the use of imagery as fetish aside, there are many genuinely theological themes in anime that would certainly support academic exploration. I wouldn't want to limit the scope of enquiry to be Christian theology (although that is my area of expertise) or even Western theology in general - Buddhism and Shintoism are used liberally in anime, which makes them fertile ground for further discussion. I've not watched enough of Utena to develop any ideas about overarching themes (looking forward to watching more than one episode!), but I'll definitely look out for any Gnostic overtones. If one was to explore that particular area, I believe one would have to focus on a particular variety of Gnosticism, rather than risking losing oneself in the myriad of different ideas gathered under that very inclusive umbrella term. Restricting oneself to Valentinian Gnosticism or that of Basilides for example might be more fruitful than using a much more generalised overview. I think one has to be careful in these kind of enquiries to do a little projecting as possible. That is, I think it possible to use the anime source material as a kind of focusing device, where one takes the themes raised and then explores them without suggesting that the author was an expert on that particular area of academic study. For example, it might be the case that Ms. Saito has never heard of Valentinus, but that doesn't mean that her work might raise interesting questions that can be further explored through reference to Valentinus' beliefs.
                 
                For myself though, I think I would like to explore themes rather than focus on particular historical theologies. My area of theology is Christian systematics, which means I'm interested in the construction of theologies. Unlike our historical or biblical brethren, we systematic theologians go about exploring and constructing theology through a study of broad themes - creation, redemption, salvation. One of my favourite anime series, and it is probably my favourite for just this reason, has a surprisingly well developed doctrine of sin and redemption. Haibane Renmei is a wonderful example of a series with well-realised religious themes, and I would love to use it as my focusing device to further explore ideas of the meaning and reality of sin, and the process of redemption. I think it also has something to say about the state of salvation, but that is more of an afterthought, since the focus of the story is the process of coming to salvation and less about the state itself.
                 
                It's good to know that a forum for such discussion does exist though - I would hate to get caught up in this kind of study and then discover that there was no audience for it at all. I know for a fact that I would get laughed out of town if I tried to talk about religious themes in any kind of popular media in the vast majority of academic theological journals. It's the nature of academia, I suppose, to equate "popular" with "shallow". Though I accept that plenty of popular media is indeed nothing more than shallow entertainment, there are examples of particular works, in a variety of different fields, having far more to say than simply being caught up in the business of entertaining a given audience.

                Anyway, food for thought. Once my thesis is completed I might start putting a little something together.
                 
                Haru


                Get closer to the jungle. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!

              • Ellen Kuhfeld
                ... From: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Yuricon@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haruchin Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:55 AM To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
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                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Yuricon@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haruchin
                  Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:55 AM
                  To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics

                  Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check that site out.
                   
                  I hear what you're saying about religious imagery often not reflecting a real religious interest or theme in the anime. Evangelion is certainly a good example of that. As a theologian it was often very annoying to see so many religious themes (not to mention iconography, but that's another discussion) just thrown into the mix without actually using them; especially when the series' real philosophical point was so poorly expressed. It's all a bit of a missed opportunity as far as I can see.
                   
                  Still, the use of imagery as fetish aside, there are many genuinely theological themes in anime that would certainly support academic exploration. I wouldn't want to limit the scope of enquiry to be Christian theology (although that is my area of expertise) or even Western theology in general - Buddhism and Shintoism are used liberally in anime, which makes them fertile ground for further discussion. I've not watched enough of Utena to develop any ideas about overarching themes (looking forward to watching more than one episode!), but I'll definitely look out for any Gnostic overtones. If one was to explore that particular area, I believe one would have to focus on a particular variety of Gnosticism, rather than risking losing oneself in the myriad of different ideas gathered under that very inclusive umbrella term. Restricting oneself to Valentinian Gnosticism or that of Basilides for example might be more fruitful than using a much more generalised overview. I think one has to be careful in these kind of enquiries to do a little projecting as possible. That is, I think it possible to use the anime source material as a kind of focusing device, where one takes the themes raised and then explores them without suggesting that the author was an expert on that particular area of academic study. For example, it might be the case that Ms. Saito has never heard of Valentinus, but that doesn't mean that her work might raise interesting questions that can be further explored through reference to Valentinus' beliefs.
                   
                  For myself though, I think I would like to explore themes rather than focus on particular historical theologies. My area of theology is Christian systematics, which means I'm interested in the construction of theologies. Unlike our historical or biblical brethren, we systematic theologians go about exploring and constructing theology through a study of broad themes - creation, redemption, salvation. One of my favourite anime series, and it is probably my favourite for just this reason, has a surprisingly well developed doctrine of sin and redemption. Haibane Renmei is a wonderful example of a series with well-realised religious themes, and I would love to use it as my focusing device to further explore ideas of the meaning and reality of sin, and the process of redemption. I think it also has something to say about the state of salvation, but that is more of an afterthought, since the focus of the story is the process of coming to salvation and less about the state itself.
                   
                  It's good to know that a forum for such discussion does exist though - I would hate to get caught up in this kind of study and then discover that there was no audience for it at all. I know for a fact that I would get laughed out of town if I tried to talk about religious themes in any kind of popular media in the vast majority of academic theological journals. It's the nature of academia, I suppose, to equate "popular" with "shallow". Though I accept that plenty of popular media is indeed nothing more than shallow entertainment, there are examples of particular works, in a variety of different fields, having far more to say than simply being caught up in the business of entertaining a given audience.

                  Anyway, food for thought. Once my thesis is completed I might start putting a little something together.
                   
                  Haru


                  Get closer to the jungle. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!

                • Ellen Kuhfeld
                  I faintly believe (I never watched the whole thing) that the Seven Deadly Sins were characters in Full Metal Alchemist. Ellen Rose
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                    I faintly believe (I never watched the whole thing) that the Seven Deadly Sins were characters in Full Metal Alchemist.
                     
                    Ellen Rose

                  • mantennashowers@aol.com
                    There were a set of characters, all artificial beings created through alchemy, named after each of the deadly sins. I m more inclined to think that reference
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                      There were a set of characters, all artificial beings created through alchemy, named after each of the deadly sins. I'm more inclined to think that reference comes from the history of alchemy, from when people mentioned Christian and Greco-Roman theological concepts in passing, rather than a specifically theological reference- more rooted in Christopher Marlowe's Faust.



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                      To: Yuricon@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 8:23 am
                      Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics

                      I faintly believe (I never watched the whole thing) that the Seven Deadly Sins were characters in Full Metal Alchemist.
                       
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                    • crimsonlotus20
                      Zyl, Interesting recommendation. I take it you must be affiliated to the LSE, because Millennium is infamous for publishing anything remotely associated with
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                        Zyl,

                        Interesting recommendation. I take it you must be affiliated to the
                        LSE, because Millennium is infamous for publishing anything remotely
                        associated with IR, but with enough post-modern, post-strucutral 'far
                        out there' elements to piss off shallow American
                        positivists/empiricists. Good thing that it's student-published, too,
                        so I suppose there is an article out there called "Images of Alterity
                        in Anime: the Japanese lens of new Occidentalism" or something to
                        that effect. I would write it, if I had the time and/or inclination.

                        Regards,
                        MdG

                        --- In Yuricon@yahoogroups.com, Zyl <zylelt@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Haruchin,
                        >
                        > There are quite a few academics in the UK who have done work with a
                        > anime/manga slant, though not from a theological angle:
                        >
                        > Dr Sharon Kinsella - http://www.kinsellaresearch.com/ (feminism)
                        > Dr Roger Sabin - http://www.shef.ac.uk/ibds/sabin.htm (media and
                        > cultural studies)
                        > Dr Nicola Liscutin - http://www.soas.ac.uk/events/event37645.html
                        (nationalism)
                        >
                        > Further afield, there's of course Dr Matt Thorn -
                        > http://www.matt-thorn.com/ (cultural anthropology)
                        >
                        > As for publication venues, if you can weave in an international
                        angle
                        > to it, you can consider:
                        >
                        > Millennium: Journal of International Studies (http://www.e-
                        millennium.ac)
                        > see their 2001 special issue on aesthetics and International
                        Relations:
                        >
                        http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mpg/mjis/2001/00000030/00000003
                        >
                        > as well as their 2000 special issue on religion and IR:
                        >
                        http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mpg/mjis/2000/00000029/00000003;
                        jsessionid=3f6ua74jajfdl.henrietta
                        >
                        > Cheers,
                        > Zyl
                        >
                        >
                        > On Dec 1, 2007 2:54 PM, Erica Friedman <alecto_fury@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > To: yuricon@yahoogroups.com
                        > > From: haruchin@...
                        > > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:54:46 +0000
                        > > Subject: RE: [Yuricon] Re: Utena and Academics
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Thanks very much for the URL, Crimson. I'll definitely check
                        that site
                        > > out.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > You also may want to join the anime-manga research ML :
                        > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amrc-l (I believe. Y!groups is down
                        right now
                        > > and I can't confirm.) This groups is engaged in academic research
                        and
                        > > dialogue about anime and manga on many levels.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Cheers,
                        > >
                        > > Erica
                        > >
                        > > Yuricon - "For real women who like their women...animated."
                        > > http://www.yuricon.org
                        > > Hungry for Yuri? Have some Okazu: http://okazu.blogspot.com
                        > >
                        > > "World Shaking" Fanfic - http://www.worldshaking.net
                        > > The Fanfic Revolution - fanficrevolution.blogspot.com
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now!
                        > >
                        >
                      • Shane
                        They are in fact the major enemy for the heros. And as the title suggest it is deep in the theories, beliefs, and symbolism that come with Alchemy. There is
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                          They are in fact the major enemy for the heros. And as
                          the title suggest it is deep in the theories, beliefs,
                          and symbolism that come with Alchemy. There is also
                          many religious themes in use with the Ishvalans
                          (Ishbalans?, who happen to be a race of desert people
                          that believe in monotheism and think alchemist are
                          traitors against Ishbala, their god. If you read the
                          manga then the series brings in a very Chinese type of
                          people call the Xing. We really haven't seen enough of
                          them yet to know what their religion is if they have
                          one but their Alchemy has different principals then
                          the other alchemy shown in the series.

                          Back to the anime and the resulting movie there are
                          many historical yet alternate reality themes in the
                          show and the government of the main character's is a
                          fascism with their leader being called Fuhrer King
                          Bradley.

                          This makes for a series that not only has religious
                          undertones but moral and political as well.

                          ~Shane

                          --- Ellen Kuhfeld <ellen@...> wrote:

                          > I faintly believe (I never watched the whole thing)
                          > that the Seven Deadly
                          > Sins were characters in Full Metal Alchemist.
                          >
                          > Ellen Rose
                          >
                          >
                          >



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