Re: [Yuricon] Re: new Lililicious releases - Claudine part D and Mist one-shot
- James wrote:
> Interesting. I expected going to europe to be a better symbol ofReally? If we're talking emancipation, in the eyes of most Dutch
> becoming a lesbian. After all, Hollan is known for the most equal
> male/female treatments.
sociologists and feminists, The Netherlands is, on an European
perspective, better nicknamed "The Afghanistan of Europe".
But then again, the Dutch are also known for their boasting skills ;).
And would we be talking about the gay-tolerance, I can rant about that
for like hours... but that's an entirely different topic.
Basically, one might indeed state that the tolerance towards gays in
this country is quite good. But people tend to confuse "tolerance" with
the "as-long-as-I-don't-notice" menthality. And the last one seems to be
linked to the definition of decency most people have. Like the Amsterdam
Gay Pride, I'm not a big fan of that, and I'm sure 99.99% of the parents
on this world wouldn't like it if they saw their son/daughter making out
while dancing half-naked on a boat for the world to see, at the evening
news. I consider it also a bit of hypocricy when everyone consider it
justice when a waiter of an restaurant gets fined for kicking out two
lesbians who were kissing in his restaurant, while basically no-one
would want to see me tongue-wrestling with some handsome lad (don't you
dare try imagining that) in a restaurant... I'm not sure how many would
still have appetite after seeing that (letssay, zilch). But I'm damn
sure that there'll be a waiter within 5 seconds yelling: "safe that
stuff for when you're home!"
But sometimes, the border where tolerance ends and hypocricy starts is
just too vague to be named. For example, one of my best friends, a young
divorced mother of one, is known (her mother even says "notorious") for
having only gays as her male best friends. But when the subject gets to
homosexuality she admits that if her daughter would turn out to be
lesbian "it'd be sooo damn sad".
Anyway, I don't even consider Amsterdam "The Gay Capital" of Europe,
commercials made that up. I mean, Berlin, London, Paris and especially
Istanbul are waaaay bigger on this sort of thing.
The only difference between there and here might be that people talk
about it far more openly than in other countries. And that most of the
people have accepted that gays and lesbians are, and will be, part of
Just my 2 eurocents...
- Uncle Ro'